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Transcript of the School Chat With Steph Schwartz

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:40:33 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
The special chat about diabetes at school will being at 21:00 (9:00 pm) Eastern. See you then.

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:49:12 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
I'm here

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:50:14 Eastern US
Litlenet (Mom of Hannah,7,dx'd at 3yrs) from 205.188.193.168
hello everone

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:50:29 Eastern US
Litlenet (Mom of Hannah,7,dx'd at 3yrs) from 205.188.193.168
everyone

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:53:35 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
Hi, I am here, even tho we have already done our 504

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:53:37 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Good evening Steph and Litlenet. We'll get started in about 10 minutes.

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:54:57 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
just wanted to say hello

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:56:09 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Hello to everyone....

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:56:55 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
We are doing our 504 tomorrow.

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:58:12 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
We have our 504 meeting tomorrow, school starts Monday. We have no school nurse (Florida), but with support from school administration and our docs, we will have someone there on Monday. (What a battle!)

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:58:55 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Jeanne just remember that we are our children's voices.

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:59:18 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Is Kathleen going to be in first grade?

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:59:40 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Hi Everyone :) Hello, Steph!!! Hope your burger was good!

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:59:40 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Steph, time to start. Can you give us an intro?

Thu Aug 24 2000 20:59:53 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Tell us what happened Jeanne

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:00:29 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Kathleen will be in second grade. Her birthday is November, and last year she was accelerated from Kindergarten to first grade.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:01:05 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Steph - do you mean what happened at school, or with her diagnosis?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:01:30 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
no school nurse? :-(

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:01:39 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
It's that time of year again. School seems to be a big issue for everyone. I've done a lot of research during the past few months and we just posted a new page about the law, school and diabetes. Hope it helps. I also hope you will all share your experiences so we can learn from each other.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:01:58 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
What happened with the school.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:02:49 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get pump /12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
Hello everyone

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:03:12 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Steph has just written a new article about the law and school. See:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0q_600.htm

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:03:22 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Hi and welcome Bethany

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:03:30 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Sam is in middle school starting 6th grade on Monday. I spoke with his principal this week and sent in a draft of a 504 yesterday. He called today and said if Sam wanted to test in the classroom and it was "ok with Mr. Fielder (his teacher for 3 classes)" it was ok with him. Meeting with Mr. Fielder tomorrow at 8 a.m. Mr. F also happens to be the husband of one of my best friends. There's hope yet. :)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:03:36 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
our son was suppose to start school on moday ,but we have alot of problems with the nurse , She believes by looking at him she can tell he is fine .

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:04:05 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
Hi Bethany :-) you will love the pump!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:04:53 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
Tony tell her she should get her RN before she claims to be a nurse! :-o (sorry :-()

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:05:03 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Our school district doesn't have a school nurse... from reading others' comments, sometimes I think that's good and sometimes bad. The school secretary is wonderful... she took a 4 hour pump overview course this summer so she'd at least be a little familiar with Sam's pump.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:05:16 Eastern US
Eric from 142.154.68.103
hi all :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:05:17 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Hi Laura

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:05:41 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
I called the principal once we were diagnosed. (We were away on vacation.) He said there was no school nurse, but my local doctor (pediatrician) should fax an "order" to the school. Turns out that wasn't enough. I learned about 504's, and started asking for help from school administration. I had a very helpful vice principal and Regent. They told me what papers and info to get for the district. We had to mention glucagon injections, etc. Now it looks like a go.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:05:56 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Steph, please clarify. The ADA gives kids the right to test in school, not necessarily in the classroom, correct?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:05:56 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Even though the girls went to this school last year it was only 1/2 day so i really hope I canget some good ideas from here tonight on what to do or expect.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:06:30 Eastern US
Heidyn from 164.106.22.60
Hi everyone

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:06:33 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
To laura , its great to here that your school is willing .That is a huge step

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:06:55 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Steph, do you recommend that all children with diabetes have a 504 plan in place?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:07:00 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
Hi Eric :-)how are things in Canadian schools?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:07:02 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Good job, Jeanne. That's correct, Laura

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:07:15 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Yes Charla

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:07:17 Eastern US
Eric from 142.154.68.103
hi all :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:07:36 Eastern US
Eric from 142.154.68.103
not open yet in 2 weeks

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:07:44 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Charla, it protects your child and the school.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:07:48 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Jeanne, hang in there and join the parents listserv on CWD... all those parents are a great resource for the many questions you will have in the future. You're very new to this!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:07:51 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Also - the district said their "policy" was that diabetic children should be able to care for themselves, unless there were "special circumstances". We had to show why a 6 year old diagnosed 4 weeks earlier was a special cirumstance.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:08:01 Eastern US
Heidyn (18 ,type 1) from 164.106.22.60
Steph,can you test in a college classroom?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:08:40 Eastern US
Eric from 142.154.68.103
bye all

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:08:57 Eastern US
Karen (RN in preschool) from 205.188.197.21
Hi All, to Eileen, I'd love to chat sometime, I'm a nurse in a preschool, a "new" child is coming in next week, diabetic dx'd at 8 months, almost 4 years old now.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:09:00 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
You can check on school blood testing rules in our "Schools Database." See:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/schools/

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:09:02 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Heidyn--if you have it written into an approved 504 plan.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:09:04 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Eric has had a 504 for over a year now but I didn't know where you stood on the subject. I think that all kids with diabetes should have one and not wait until there is a problem to get it all in writing.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:09:18 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
bye Eric

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:09:26 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get pump /12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
At my school the teachers are always worried about me and thats great but When I get the pump And they see me eating things like , more frinchfries and deserts they are going to confront me and they are VERY stubborn What should I do

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:09:29 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
We have been very lucky, Rea is allowed to test wherever and whenever she feels the need, My problem now is to get her to carry her meter to each class this year.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:09:36 Eastern US
Eric from 142.154.68.103
~~**GONE**~~

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:09:45 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Tony, I think they're pretty open-minded as well. Sam is their first child with diabetes, and they're really looking to me for direction as to what to do. We're a very small school district - a town of 2,000 - and I live a block from school. I can run over faster than they could get the Glucagon out of the cupboard! (speaking of which, I'm not leaving Glucagon at school... I know that's been a hot topic of conversation on the parents listserv)...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:10:01 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Karen E-mail me when you get a chance EGClarke@aol.com

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:10:57 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
I believe that having a 504 plan in place prevents any confusion and helps establish clear expectations for everyone.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:11:51 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
I agree Jeff--with a written plan, there can be no question

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:12:23 Eastern US
Karen (RN in preschool) from 205.188.197.21
Thanks.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:12:42 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Steph, a question. Many kids have diabetes AND other things, such as ADHD, autism, emotional problems... when does a 504 suffice, and when should an IEP and/or 504 be in place?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:12:55 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Jeff, As you know I've been off line for a while and was wondering if there was any sample of 504's on the CWD site? If not, perhaps we could add a few suggestions?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:13:03 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
diabetic children able to care for themself with no guidance from a nurse or even an adult?????? Now thats a policy that needs revising!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:13:27 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Charla, we do indeed have a sample 504 beginning at:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0q_600.htm

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:14:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Yoou need an Individulaized Education Plan for things like -- allowing your child to retake a test if he/she has had a eaction, having free access to the bathroom, allowing for absences due to diabetes appointments, etc.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:14:44 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Steph, what do you think is the biggest challenge kids face at school?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:14:44 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Thanks Jeff! I'm getting ready to do Eric's annual review and was looking for suggestions/changes. etc.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:15:07 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get pump /12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
When Im at school me and my mom ALWAYS try to inform my teachers but some of them just dont under stand. One time I was 34 and my teach told me to get a Diet Coke dont you just hate that (some people are sooo stuborn it makes ya sick!!!)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:15:18 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
I have all those things written in the 504...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:16:10 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
Laura, so do I

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:16:12 Eastern US
koolkat from 216.114.13.151
HI all

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:16:39 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
BEthany, how do you feel when people talk about your diabetes at school? Sam gets embarrassed and would rather just be "one of the kids" instead of having any attention drawn to his diabetes. He does like his Diet Coke, though at 10:30 a.m. :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:16:39 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
that is hard Bethany . . it is important to be patient with people especially those trying to help

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:16:46 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Good evening koolkat. Do you have any thoughts about diabetes and school?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:17:04 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
What does everyone do to assure that your child eats all their lunch? The cafeteria is a crazy place, lots of distractions, etc. Kids get talking with each other - I don't want someone to "police" Kathleen, but I do worry about it. Any suggestions? (I will be making her lunch.)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:17:05 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
Sorry I'm late! Steph, What is the biggest challenge that kids AND parents face?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:17:11 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Probably the biggest challenge is making others know and believe that kids with diabetes are the same as any other kids. These days, kids with diabetes can essentially eat all the same foods and participate in ALL school activities. They need to be accommodated for, certainly, but they need to be allowed to be kids!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:17:11 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
(Not to say I don't hate it as well :-))

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:17:11 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
Just got home from open house at my son's middle school. So far the school year is going well.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:17:31 Eastern US
koolkat from 216.114.13.151
I think that my school is doing a good job treating me and my disease:-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:18:04 Eastern US
Heidyn (18 ,type 1) from 164.106.22.60
yeah,Century,I always figure if I wasn't diabetic I'd say the same stuff they do...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:18:07 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
How do you determine what fits into a 504 and what fits into an IEP?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:18:22 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Hi Ellen... been in school a couple of weeks already???

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:18:31 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
Hello from KC, Steph

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:18:44 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
Laura : We have been trying to work things out since feb. Our son had fallen in Gym and was bleeding , the nurse had called my wife to let her know . my wife asked her to take his blood and that she was on her way . 20 min later she arrived at the school and asked the nurse what his blood level was ? She told my wife that she cleaned him up and he looked fine so there was no reason to take his blood . my wife took his blood and he was well over 400 .my wife had to explain to the nurse of 30 plus years the symptoms of being high .

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:18:51 Eastern US
Century (diab. 21yrs pumping for 6) from 24.164.36.229
I am wearing the new Minimed glucose sensor

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:19:16 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
School starts Tues. for us; still trying to figure out the lunch time shot routine...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:19:21 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
What would you recommend the best approach to the fear people have around a young child with diabetes? Is education the only way around it? Is there anything I can say or do to make the teachers more at ease?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:19:27 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
I pack Eric's lunch in an insulated bag and he knows that he has to bring home all of the empty bags, containers, etc. That and the teacher looks out for him.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:19:40 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Hi Rebecca!!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:19:53 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
My son's been in school just over one week. This school nurse is a real advocate for the kids. She called last years nurse and found out my son will almost never come to the nurse's office as he handles pretty much everything on his own and I don't want him wasting time going to the nurse if it's not necessary.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:19:55 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get pump /12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
Laura I dont mind it to much I like to inform them but I DEFINITLY under stand where he is coming from (it gets inoing!!!)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:20:04 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
The biggest

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:20:44 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
oops .. I was about to say "The biggest challenge kids face around here is early lunch. Marissa eats at 11:00 am, which is easy with a pump but could be challenging otherwise."

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:21:08 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Tony, HOW FRUSTRATING!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:21:17 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
Last year, Hannah's teacher had some nurses form Children's Mercy Hospital come out and explain to the class what D was and what some of the classic signs of low blood sugar, in case something happened to Hannah

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:21:38 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Thank God that the girls are pumping.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:21:39 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Education is probably the best approach. We've been thinking about doing a chat for school personnel. What do you think?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:14 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
Last year, in K, Hannah had lunch at 10:30! This year, she's having lunch at 11:30

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:20 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get pump /12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
I agree Jeff I used to eat at 11:00 also

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:24 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
My son has two different lunch times. Every other day it switches. One day it's 11:47 an the other day it's at 12:52. The pump fits in with that too...but it would be more to accomodate on injections.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:34 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Amen Jeff! Eric will be eating lunch at 10:35 am next year. I'm going to get on that bandwagon after Christmas break.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:37 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
I think that would be a good idea.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:37 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Great idea, Steph.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:38 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
It would be great if you could get them to come.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:38 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Chat for school personnel sounds great!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:22:53 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
CHristine yes education is the key I believe .

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:23:02 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
I think a Chat for teachers and staff would be great. I have given them a bunch of info from the CWD site, but I am not sure they read it. They still seam so afraid.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:23:05 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
Steph, I think that's a great idea. We've got to get the teachers and their aides educated!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:23:12 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
I'm willing to schedule a chat for school personnel at anytime. Just let me know when people think it would be helpful.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:23:52 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
10:30 is a ridiculous time for these kids to be eating lunch. They cannot make it thru the school day without an additonal snack--any kid not just those with D

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:23:53 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
I invited all of the school nurses in our county here tonight. I think it would be a great opportunity and learning experience for everyone.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:24:14 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
It did seem to help for them to wacth Miranda do her BG check though. maybe all they will need is time.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:24:25 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Parents will have to take the lead in getting people to come AND participate!!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:24:31 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
I like the video It's Time To Learn About Diabetes - have you shown that to the school?

I also think that one handout with the cartoon pictures showing what the kids symptoms are (high on one side, low on the other) is a GREAT one.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:24:51 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Ugh... just heard a thunk upstairs and went to check on Sam. He fell in the tub... has been having lows all day. This is new. :-( He's ok, though... just his modesty has been compromised (mom barging in the bathroom)...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:24:52 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
If we schedule a formal "School Staff Chat" and announce it in this weekend's What's New, will you all get the word out to your schools?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:24:56 Eastern US
Karen (RN in preschool) from 205.188.197.21
Are there any other school nurses here tonight?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:25:13 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
Well, the Kindergardeners have a snack in the afternoon, like cookies and such. I was told that I had to provide Hannah's snacks.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:25:36 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Most states have a Health Division in their Dept of Education. We'd just need to let each person per state know in advance and ask that they spread the word.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:25:38 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
I will, Jeff

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:25:46 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
The video is a great idea. Thank you.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:25:47 Eastern US
Windyy (Mom of Sarah dx.@ 3 now 8) from 24.4.252.129
I believe a chat for school personnel is a fantastic idea. I think it should be soonas possible.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:26:01 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
Jeff - this may be a super busy for teachers; doing assessments, back to school, etc...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:26:35 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
When school lunch is early, probably the best way to handle it is to add up all the carbs from morning snack, lunch, and afternoon snack and then distribute them fairly evenly -- so that you now have three small meals.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:26:40 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
I would certainly tell the staff at Rea's school--she goes to a parochial school and no school nurse

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:26:44 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
... busy TIME for teachers (sorry)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:26:48 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get pump /12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
Anouther thing kids are sometimes worried about is if someone is gonna try to still there pump thinking its a beeper I dont have a pump Yet that is but I still think about it.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:26:49 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
I think the teachers will be busy but I know I'll let our schools know...we just had three new dxs in our district this past month!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:26:56 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
I was told that I would have to provide her a different snack than the other kids were having. I refused and they changed their mind.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:27:01 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Hey, Sally!!! How's the weather over there in A2?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:27:09 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
I can take care of notifying the nurses within the state of Indiana and I'll try for the teachers too!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:27:30 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
I'll be on vacation the week after next but maybe the end of Sept would be good

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:27:36 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
Hi Laura! Clear and calm. Same in Manchester?? :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:27:40 Eastern US
Windyy (Mom of Sarah dx.@ 3 now 8) from 24.4.252.129
Jeff I know but do to past experience I know what can happen when school personal are not well informed.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:27:49 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Ellen - where did you get the videooo "Time to Learn About Diabetes"? I saw it the hospital in PA, but the 800 number on the video was not correct.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:27:56 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
A2 is beautiful!!!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:28:00 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
Laura - did Sam ever take a lunch injection at school?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:28:01 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Things would be calmer by then.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:28:14 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
The school here has agreed to give glucagon, but refuses to draw up insulin (pen or syringe) and have said they will do nothing with the pump. Is this common?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:28:54 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
The end of Sept would give us lots of time to get the word out.
Sally, YES, last year, Sam gave himself lunch injections for December and January. In February he went on the pump.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:28:59 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Jeanne, I got it from Chronimed MANY MANY MANY years ago when it first came out.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:29:17 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
You can get the video from Chronimed in Minneapolis. I believe Amazon.com has it as well.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:29:22 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
They have to make appropriate accomodations for your child to be able to attend school.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:29:38 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
Yes, very common. In some states even the school nurses are not allowed to give injections.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:29:52 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Christine -- that is illegal!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:30:02 Eastern US
Heidyn from 164.106.22.60
Bethany,I'm going to get a pump soon too and I think about that also and I figure when I get to be an intern and really do have a beeper people will have a hard time telling which is which

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:30:05 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
Jeff is tucking in Timothy so I am here for a bit. Marissa never did a routine lunch time injection, but I did ask that she test before any treats and inject to cover any high BG's and maybe the snack, too. Sometimes she would have the treat in place of her regular snack. As she got to 5th and 6th grades, she would often skip the test but eat the extra snack anyway!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:30:17 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Ellen - I called Chronimed, and they said they'd sold the publishing business, and couldn't help me.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:30:29 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Our endo gave it out -
Does anyone think the teacher would be willing to play the Starbright game to learn about diabetes?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:30:29 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get pump /12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
Poor christine Im sorry your school is like that!!! iSINT THAT iLLIGAL?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:30:38 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Steph was much more to the point than I was!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:30:47 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Hi Brenda.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:30:51 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
They have repeatedly said it is against the law for anyone but a nurse to do it (one nurse per district here). I'm not sure how to fight them.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:31:07 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Great idea Ellen!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:31:15 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
Gee, guess I should have said hi all!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:31:56 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Christine, as them to show you WHERE the law is...not just quote it but show it to you.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:31:59 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
What is the Starbright game?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:32:02 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Hey, Brenda! Is Marissa getting excited about 8th grade???

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:32:07 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Then tell them that in order to accomodate your child they have to hire a nurse at your school. Just push it!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:32:13 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
I was happy to see that Marissa has gym first period this first semester. Should help with the usual post-breakfast higher BG.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:32:16 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
Christine, then she'll have to get to your child's school to do it every day.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:32:30 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Gee, I would donate our copy of Starbright to the school...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:32:44 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Take a look at our new page. They must have someone at school who can given the injection, if there is not a nurse. You need to be sure that you have a 504 in place. I would start by asking for a 504.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:32:49 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
Christine The school has no choice they have to provide for his medical care . BUT UNFORTUNATELY THE DOWNFALL IS SOME SCHOOLA ARE WILLING BUT OTHERS LIKE OURS ARE NOT . THE LAWS ARE THERE TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN BUT FINDING SOME ONE TO ENFORCE THOSE THAT ARE UNWILLING IS THE HARD PART AS WE ARE FINDING OUT

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:32:57 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
Laura, she just wants to see her friends, doesn't care about the subjects.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:33:03 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
http://www.starbright.org
It's a cd rom for the computer that teaches about diabetes and it's quite engaging.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:33:49 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
We have extra copies of the CD ROM. I guess Jeff would part with them. LOL

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:34:10 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Starbright foundation has a wonderful game about diabetes. It's free. Brenda can you please find the url?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:34:15 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get pump /12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
Ill be back in 5

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:34:23 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 14, dx 12/97) from 152.163.201.191
Hi everyone :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:34:31 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
You know that the funny part is, we do not want them to give the injection (Miranda does her own), just draw it up!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:35:18 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
You can request CWD brochures and a CD at:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/feedback/cards.htm

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:35:19 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
www.starbright.org

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:35:23 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
Christine, how about the pen and then you could just dial it up.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:35:23 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Can Miranda draw it up and have an adult check that the dose is correct?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:35:36 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
I hear bickering kids so I will be signing off for a while. Hope to be back soon.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:36:23 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
In our state (and I assume all of them)schools are given up to $7500 for each student that has an IEP on them. I think we need to push diabetes to qualify for an IEP and they can use that money to hire school nurses to take care of the kids.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:36:23 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
My school nurse is wonderful. She understands everything that needs to be done. Her husband had pancreatic cancer and became a diabetic. She really takes care of Hannah. It's the teacher that is really leary.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:36:36 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Diabetes page at Starbright:
http://www.starbright.org/projects/diabetes/index.html

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:36:37 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Christine can you prefill a syringe, ir, I agree a pen is an excellent alternative.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:36:44 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
Christine - any chance sending a predrawn syringe from home might work? Doesn't work too well if she needs a correction, tho.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:36:44 Eastern US
Christine (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
She doesn't do very well with numbers yet (i'm working on that) She is going to start using a pump in the next few weeks, so things are going to change some

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:37:01 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
Charla, I believe that D is qualified for an IEP

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:37:28 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Charla diabetes DOES qualify for an IEP

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:37:38 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
I thought the IEP was for educational problems and the 504 was for medical problems. So hiring a nurse under IEP funding doesn't mesh (at least in Michigan...)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:37:43 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
How about an insulin pen? Any moron can use them...even me!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:38:11 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
My understanding is that D is a 504 issue and only IEP if diabetes causes a significant learning impairment.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:38:30 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
The B-D MiniPen dials in 1/2 unit increments - it's probably the best option for little kids.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:38:40 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Steph, I guess I'm still confused. Our school system said definitely a 504, not an IEP because Sam didn't really need any special educational services (like Speech, special ed, etc.). He just needed medical accommodations.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:39:24 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get the pump/12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
I agree Linda if my dad cane anyone can!!!!LOL

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:39:31 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Linda is a bright and beautiful woman.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:39:38 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
You can have an IEP for children with diabetes along with the 504. The IEP might state that in ordeer to be able to be at school, the child needs someone to assist with diabetes management.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:40:12 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
hi...I'm making the transition from Jr. High to High School on Monday. I'm worried about what I should do for snacks and when I'll eat them. The classes are longer with fewer breaks inbetween. I guess I'll just have to eat in the middle of class. Does anyone have any suggestions of snacks that last a while? I was eating yogurt or peanuts inbetween classes, but it didn't seem to be enough to hold me until lunch.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:40:17 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
What I'm saying is to change it from an 504 issue to a IEP issue and then use that money to hire nurses. Kids with speech problems get IEP money that is used to hire speech therapists.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:40:49 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Amy , do cheese sticks help?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:41:12 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Alla uses insulin pens (until we get her the pump) and it's sure nice for those early morning shots...and for shots at school. Nice not to have to draw up the insulin

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:41:57 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
yes...but I don't have a way to keep them cold. Do you think I should leave a cooler in a teachers classroom?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:42:06 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
That makes sense if you can make that transition (to an IEP). A well-trained paraprofessional might do the trick... might not need a full-fledged R.N. Guess it depends on the school system.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:42:07 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
I only wish Nora would use a pen. She needs the speedy delivery of her Inject-Ease.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:42:08 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
Amy, Rea uses those little peanut butter cracker sandwiches sometimes.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:42:44 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
School districts get really nervous when parents request IEPs or 504s. Would rather not worry about them...for sure!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:43:01 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
IDEA mandates the federal government to provides funding to education agencies, state and local, to provide free and appropriate education to qualifying students with disabilities. This includes children who have diabetes. As with the other two laws you must show that diabetes can, at times, adversely affect educational performance. The school is then required to develop an Individualized Education Plan (IEP) to accommodate your child’s needs.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:43:01 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get the pump/12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
AMY I do something like cheese on cheese crackers and peanut butter crackers.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:43:05 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Sally, I've found bribery to work to get Z to try new things where diabetes is concerned. What would a 6 year old girl really like?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:43:31 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Does anyone know when Diabetes Awareness Month/Week come up next? I wanted to submit an article to our local newspaper.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:43:35 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
Beth...they sound like a good idea...I'll try some

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:43:45 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
What to include in a 504 Plan

1. Medication procedures and dosages (e.g. insulin administration prior to meals, etc.) You will want to note if your child is capable of deciding that amount to be given or provide an alternative such as calling a parent or using a chart to determine amount to be given.
2. Blood glucose testing procedures (when where, etc.). The school does have the right to not allow blood glucose testing in the classroom. However, if you can demonstrate that this procedure will not endanger others (i.e., materials will be disposed of at home and not at school), your school may allow the child to check in a secure area in the classroom.
3. Procedures for treatment of hyper and hypoglycemia.
4. Precautions to be taken before physical activity.
5. Guidelines for meals, snack, special treats, and parties.
6. Contact information for medical assistance (as needed) and parents.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:43:49 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
November

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:43:52 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
I've been know to pay Kim to try new sites for her sets for her pump...I paid her $5 to try her hip!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:44:11 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
What to include in an IEP

1. The need for repeat of information. Sometimes, if a child has had an insulin reaction or extremely high blood sugar, that child may not be able to concentrate and need additional assistance.
2. The child with diabetes may need to be allowed to tale make-up tests if that student has had an insulin reaction or severe hyperglycemia during an exam.
3. Flexibility in attendance requirements in case of health-related absences including physician visits (e.g., allowing students to be on honor roll and qualify for awards, etc).
4. Permission to leave class to use restroom as needed.
5. Provision of adequate time for taking medication, checking blood sugars, and completing meals and snacks.
6. Access to increased fluid intake as needed.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:44:37 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Thanks!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:44:45 Eastern US
michelle (makenzie 5 dx @ 2 pumping 5 months) from 209.240.200.137
I came in a little late. My daughter is on a pump and we do a set bolus at lunch with a scale for high and low blood sugars but the schol will not use the scale and call me just about everyday. How can I get them to use the scale?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:44:54 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
I think D awaresness month is November...that's when we have out d fair.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:44:57 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
I'm already on your wavelength. I almost got her to try (again!) for a pack of Pokemon cards (remember - she's still little.)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:45:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Michelle, you need a 504 plan

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:45:38 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
Beth, does Rea just eat in front of everyone in school?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:45:40 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
I hadn't thought of cash. Just might work :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:46:25 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
If she has to she does Amy, she also carries those 4oz boxes of juicy juice and we keep those in each classroom too.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:46:29 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Sally, how about some peel off nailpolish?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:46:33 Eastern US
michelle (makenzie 5 dx @ 2 pumping 5 months) from 209.240.200.137
I really am not sure what a 504 plan is and please forgive me if you have already covered this.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:46:41 Eastern US
Clark (Mom of Zak,12,dx'd at 10 yrs) from 216.176.147.18
Hi Steph...is the 504 the same as the IEP?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:46:45 Eastern US
michelle (mother of 4 yr old, dx'd 6/00, pumping!) from 166.84.144.9
Steph, there is no regulation that says IEP covers diabetes, is there? I was also told that IEP would only cover learning disabilities. And if you read the statute, something that impairs education would be covered under an IEP. But, if the diabetes doesn't affect learning, it doesn't appear to be covered.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:47:05 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Hah! Cash... we paid Sam a dime for every poke he took (tests and shots) for the first few months... and that became the basis of his allowance... which is why I am now so poor....

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:47:05 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Eric learned how to do better acknowledge his blood sugar levels by being paid to guess what he thought his number was. The closer he got the more money he got. Within 100 he got a quarter, within 10 he got a dollar, etc. Next time he felt "different" he associated it with a certain number and was better at taking action.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:47:41 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
WE have rejected the IEP we have filled a coplaint with the nurseing board . we have also filled one with the office of civil rights , this is all going to take time . what else can we do to get our son into school and be taken care of ?????

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:47:42 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
If kids bgs are out of whack, it surely affects learning...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:47:58 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
D can effect learning, especially with the highs

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:48:27 Eastern US
michelle (mother of 4 yr old, dx'd 6/00, pumping!) from 166.84.144.9
I agree that if bg's are out of whack, it affects learning. But, I don't think administrators agree.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:48:27 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
Beth...I'll leave some snacks in my classrooms. Thanks.:-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:48:37 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
I know some folks who reward their kids with significant cash for A1c's of 7.5-8, and MORE cash if A1c is in the 7 - 7.5 range! And... it works!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:48:45 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get the pump/12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
Yes linda I know from expierience!!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:48:46 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Won't they let your son into school?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:48:51 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
that's where we have to educate the administrators

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:04 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Tony, did you ask for mediation through your states Dept of Education? Contact their legal dept for assistance.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:04 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Wow Charla. That's really interesting. You should write an article for Diabetes Interview about that plan to teach kids to recognize lows?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:05 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Diabetes and the time it takes to manage it properly DOES affect learning!!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:10 Eastern US
Bethany (soon to get the pump/12/dxd@5) from 64.30.68.251
I GTG bye

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:10 Eastern US
michelle (makenzie 5 dx @ 2 pumping 5 months) from 209.240.200.137
How does high blood sugar effect learning?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:14 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Tony, where do you live?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:16 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
That's compelling, Laura!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:25 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Tony, why did you reject the IEP?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:49:31 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
It is in Rea's 504 that she does not have to take a test (whether it was a scheduled one or not) if her bg is over 300 or under 65, she has to be given an opportunity to take it when her bg is more normal

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:50:16 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
If a blood suagr is high, vision may be blurred, the child may have a headache, and he/she may not be able to think as clearly.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:50:22 Eastern US
michelle (mother of 4 yr old, dx'd 6/00, pumping!) from 166.84.144.9
michelle, doesn't your child lose concentration when the numbers are high?

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:50:24 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Bye, Bethany... good luck!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:50:42 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
I would like to take credit for it but it was our school nurse that started it. It worked wonders for Eric. All of our kids would be blessed if they had our Mrs. Beechler!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:50:45 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
I need to get a couple of 504s going for this year...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:51:17 Eastern US
michelle (makenzie 5 dx @ 2 pumping 5 months) from 209.240.200.137
Can you believe in 3 years I have never noticed. But I will be sure to watch out for it.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:51:25 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
I won't reward for A1C - I don't think it's fair if you try your best but still have a high A1C to not be penalized.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:51:31 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Beth, we have even narrower guidelines... 80-225. If outside that range, Sam needs to either bolus or have a snack, then re-test before taking an exam, etc.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:51:41 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
I meant to not be rewarded.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:51:44 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 14, dx 12/97) from 152.163.201.191
Mike is not in public school - when I brought up not taking a test if he was low, principal was not very receptive.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:52:01 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Also, the class instruction time that they lose when they go to the clinic could also show that D has interfers with education. Especially in schools that don't allow in class testing.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:52:18 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
Our problem is getting Rea to even check before a test.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:53:00 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
However, if a child contributes to a high A1c by sneaking sugary treats all the time....... (which was the case)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:53:06 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
Rea is not in public school either, and the principal at her school was very agreeable. Said teachers WOULD COOPERATE OR ELSE.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:53:23 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
CHARLA The meeting is schedualed for the end of sept, We live in central mass .The IEP they had written was too general with no specifcs to his care

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:53:27 Eastern US
Doreen (Type I for 23 Years, Pumping) from 63.160.17.168
Piece of advice... fight hard for your kids. I remember being in 7th grade and I was so low and the teacher wouldn't let me leave the room. Ended up passing out in his class. Fight for what you think is right for your child!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:53:51 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Commie -- if teh school recieves ANY federal funding, they are bound by the law.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:53:53 Eastern US
Christine (CA) (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
What a Great principal. He obviously has the child interest in mind.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:53:56 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
That's why everyone has to do what works for them.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:54:15 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Well, testing bg before taking an exam is similar, I think, to testing bg before our kids get in the car to drive. That will be a hurdle in the not too distant future.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:54:47 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
I'll come up there and kick their behinds if you want me to! I can be one mean mother! (Take that either way you'd like!)

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:55:11 Eastern US
Christine (CA) (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
I can't imagine what having a teen with D would be like!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:55:21 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Charla, we moms tend to be mama bears with our kids...don't mess with us! LOL

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:55:30 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
We are already fighting that one. Laura.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:55:44 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Christine, don't even imagine it LOL. Just enjoy Miranda each and every day.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:55:52 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Kim has a teacher that I can see myself going toe to toe with! She drives me nuts...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:56:04 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 14, dx 12/97) from 152.163.201.191
Don't know if they receive federal funding. They will get to know me well though!! lol

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:56:29 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Am I the only one who feels like part of the problem in getting our kids the care they need and deserve is that other parents seem to not take the responsibilty seriously enough. Sort of, "It's no big deal, it's just diabetes."

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:56:35 Eastern US
Chuck (Chad, 14, dx'd @ 13, pump) from 216.78.78.75
Hi all. Thought I would jump in. We have an IEP. Some of the things we were able to get from the high school: he is not to take test until 2 hours after a BG below 70 or above 240, he can test where ever it is convinient for him, bathroom when ever necessary, carries water bottle. Last year at middle school had all kinds of problems. Seem to have found the right people to talk to this year.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:56:48 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
I'm more like a lioness with my cubs

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:57:05 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
I doubt if Kim or Alla will test before an exam because I'm having a really hard time getting them to test before lunch! They just know that EVERYONE is watching them!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:57:07 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Thanks CHUCK-- good job!!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:57:40 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Charla, I think some parents feel beaten down by a system that fights them every step of the way. I also think some parents have a difficult time asking for special treatment for their children. People have lots of different baggage!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:57:43 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
there has been a mom before me that is even more compulsive that I am...and I'm pretty compulsive!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:57:51 Eastern US
Karen (RN in preschool) from 205.188.197.21
I am overwhelmed and sad by what I am reading here. I did teaching for preschool teachers today, our "new" kid showed us how to do her fingersticks (she'll be 4 in November). Her mom doesn't want her to test in the classroom, because recently kids in the neighborhood have been teasing the child. School starts on Tuesday.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:58:11 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 14, dx 12/97) from 152.163.201.191
Charla YES! There was a d child at this h.s. a few years ago - no plan with her..... or the principal & secretary are acting like this is all new.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:59:02 Eastern US
Christine (CA) (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
On one particular conversstion with the school nurse, I reminded her that we needed her to treat Miranda like a child not a disease. Her response? "I'm sorry, that just won't be possible." I had to hang up the phone before I reached through the phone to strangle her. You can mess with me, but not with my kids.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:59:13 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
There are 5 middle school children this year here, 4 with pumps. This is absolutely nothing new here...

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:59:19 Eastern US
Doreen (Type I for 23 Years, Pumping) from 63.160.17.168
I agree Karen. I had that problem ALOT when I was growing up. Alot of peer preasure and feeling "alone" and so different. You feel that way already at that age, but add diabetes on top of it, it's tough on those kids.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:59:22 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Karen, preschool children can still be soooo sweet and soooo supportive of their classmate if they are taught to be that way. It's all how it's presented to them.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:59:38 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
If there are problems with a chool, ask to speak with their 504 corrdinator. The school is required tohave one! That should get their attention and save you a lot of trouble. The 504 coordinator can go to bat for you.

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:59:40 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Maybe the other kids need to be included as far as maybe reading "Taking Diabetes To School"

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:59:50 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Christine...some people are just idiots..and that has nothing to do with IQ!

Thu Aug 24 2000 21:59:51 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
We have 12 children with diabetes in our school system and none of them have or ever have had a 504. The school used that fact as "proof" that Eric didn't need anything in writing.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:00:34 Eastern US
Chuck (Chad, 14, dx'd @ 13, pump) from 216.78.78.75
Chad is allowed to leave class 10 minutes before lunch so he can go test BG. One thing I did this year was write a letter to the super. of the schools and e-mailed it to him. Got things going! Decided I would take it as far as needed, file lawsuit if they didn't cooperate. Used Louden, Va. suit as basis of things I asked for.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:00:54 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Karen: When Sam was first dx'd (on the first day of school 2 years ago), I gave a presentation to his class on Famous People with Diabetes. Sam stood at the blackboard and as I said the person's name, he wrote it. Then I asked the kids who the person was and why they were famous. The last name was Sam Billetdeaux. I asked the class what all those famous people and Sam Billetdeaux had in common... and by then they all knew it was diabetes. Gave Sam "celebrity" status his first week back in school and totally detoured any of the name-calling. Kids were very open about being his friend and seeing all his diabetes stuff.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:00:59 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
STEPH Again we have tried to find a lawyer for 6 months to help us the problem is no one will help with out a retainer . They all agree to the fact the scool is wrong but you need some one to force them to obey the laws .

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:01:17 Eastern US
Christine (CA) (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
There is one other kids with D here, but he is 12 and his mom works in the office. Miranda is their youngest

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:01:22 Eastern US
Karen (RN in preschool) from 205.188.197.21
I have found a few books, (someplace) that I want to order for the kids, and I told the mom today I'd let her see them, to "approve" of them before we use them in class.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:01:36 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
The other D at Rea's school does not have anything either, but the principal knew her when she was in 8th grade, and witnessed a low reaction during a basketball game when his daughter and Rea were on the same team.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:01:37 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
huh? Charla, is that like 12 sheep jumped off the cliff so you can too?! My, My, our district special ed guy wasn't too happy when I called him and asked if we could get a 504...I could SEE him turn white, (and we were on the telephone!)

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:01:51 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
One of the administrators I first spoke with said "a 504 probably wasn't necessary". One mom thought it would "lable" the child as disabled. I don't care - if it gets a school nurse in, and my child is safe, that's what's most important.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:02:04 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Call the JDF Advocacy line and see if they can help with the lawyer thing or recommend a lawyer who is a parent of a child with diabetes.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:02:07 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
My son's endo writes orders on the county medical authorization form that my son can test blood wherever and whenever he wants to, take insulin with the pump , eat when necessary, go to the bathroom when necessary.........We have zero problems with getting the school system to listen to our needs. And I do feel fortunate.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:02:07 Eastern US
Clark (Mom of Zak,12,dx'd at 10 yrs) from 216.176.147.18
The thing is, not to ask, just tell these people what we want...my superintentent said "well, from what I hear, your son doesen't even have shots in the day"....Its PURE ignorance on their part...and until they go thru it, they won't understand completely. That is why we NEED eachother for support..

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:02:47 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
Jeanne-my administrators told me the same thing-that I'd be labeled

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:03:13 Eastern US
sunny from 63.15.35.171
I am very frustrated. My child was dx'd last year before the start of school. Now he's getting a new nurse(part-time, of course) and new teacher and the principal won't let me meet with them til second week of school. His needs and abilities have changed. He's out of honeymoon, gives own shots, may need add'l lunchtime shots. I can't believe they'd want to wait two weeks to sit down and make sure they know how to handle the situation.I am angry, but how I feel needs to be calm,cool, organized to convince them to see me earlier. Any ideas or comments?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:03:28 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Tony if you live in Florida, I know an attorney who also writes for Diabetes Interview, has diabetes himself, and practices anti-discrimination law. His name is Loring Spolter out of Ft. Lauderdale.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:04:07 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Tony go to the American Diabetes Association website. There is a lot of info there on fighting discrimination at school. DREDF
This pamphlet was written in conjunction with the Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund, Inc. (DREDF). DREDF is a national law and policy center dedicated to protecting and advancing the civil rights of people with disabilities. DREDF can be reached by telephone at 510-644-2555 or on the web at www.dredf.org.

Other Useful Telephone Numbers and Websites
National Association of Protection and Advocacy Systems:
202-408-9514; www.protectionandadvocacy.com

National Information Center for Children & Youth with Disabilities:
1-800-695-0285; www.nichcy.org

National Parent Network on Disabilities:
202-463-2299; www.npnd.org

U.S. Department of Education, Office of Civil Rights:
1-800-421-3481; www.ed.gov/offices/OCR

U.S. Department of Education,
Office of Special Education Programs:
202-205-5507; www.ed.gov/offices/OSERS/OSEP

U.S. Department of Justice:
1-800-514-0301; www.usdoj.gov/crt


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Thu Aug 24 2000 22:04:09 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Back. Marissa could test anywhere, but she chooses to test in the clinic. The nurse said she had no prob. with her carrying glucose tablets with her.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:04:17 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Amy - do you feel "labled"?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:04:17 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Gee, we would surely hate for our kids to have the label of diabetes! Without a 504 from the school or without they're acknowledging the problem does that mean the kids are cured? Hmmm

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:04:26 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
One of our school board members told me that he had heard that Eric had a seizure at home while I was watching him. It was as if he was implying that I was asking the school to take care of him even thought I didn't do it myself!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:05:08 Eastern US
Chuck (Chad, 14, dx'd @ 13, pump) from 216.78.78.75
Make sure you put EVERTHING in writing. Don't just call. If you need to press the issues with the school board or go higher, you need documentation of what you have tried to do.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:05:12 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Sunny: Can you use one of the forms on the CWD page and draft a temporary 504 plan for two weeks until they meet with you? Place it in the teacher's and principal's hands and tell them this is the situation until they can sit down to discuss it with you.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:05:25 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Sunny, you may want to start out by stating "This telephone conversation is being recorded. For the record, I am requesting a conference with all of my child's teachers BEFORE school begins because.....diabetes... If you do not accomodate this request, and my child has a seizure or other incident as a result of the diabetes, you will be held liable."

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:05:34 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
so many people get type 1 confused with type 2 and don't realize that what we're dealing with isn't just diet and exercise!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:06:00 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Send it certified mail so they have to sign for it!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:06:10 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
Yes! Teachers immediately think I'm going to take advantage of being able to leave class and eating during class. They think I'll be a slacker.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:06:17 Eastern US
sussanne (Mary 8 pumping 7 weeks) from 207.89.169.30
Hi everyone. We have a 504 plan in Mary's record but it is just not signed by me or the staff. Like having one but saves them a lot of paperwork as long as the school cooperates.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:06:29 Eastern US
Karen (RN in preschool) from 205.188.197.21
Thanks everyone, good-night!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:06:45 Eastern US
Nancy (MI) (Mom of Will 8 yrs, dx'd 4 mo. ago) from 152.163.207.177
We're relatively 'new' to diabetes. I find it so shocking at the lack of awareness on the part of the schools. When we told the principal in April about my son's diabetes..the first thing he said was "we're not medical professionals, so don't expect us to do anything for him". We fought ignorance all May and June..lows ignored, not letting him test, because he wasn't always low when he thought he was, so he was crying 'wolf', I am hopeful for a better year this year, it can't be worse!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:07:06 Eastern US
Laura (Sam's mom, 10, dx'd 8/98) from 63.31.8.239
Gotta go... Sam's bedtime. Good talking with all of you!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:07:09 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
If anyone wants a copy of Eric's 504 you can email me at charla@logical123.net and I will email it to you.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:07:19 Eastern US
Sally/MI (Nora, 6, dx @ 4) from 207.75.178.130
Sunny - maybe you could "drop in" with a copy of your child's new plan with a cover letter stating that this needs to be in place on the first day of school.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:07:23 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 14, dx 12/97) from 152.163.201.191
Amy that's exactly how principal responded to my requests for Mike - like he will abuse them!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:07:26 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
That sounds like medical suggestion sussanne that's fine as long as everyone follows it but what happens when they don't?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:07:26 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Good-night Karen

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:07:30 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Good night Karen. Know that my son did beautifully in pre-school!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:07:36 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Ellen, that sounds like a good idea for Sunny. We usually meet with the nurse, first, then get a meeting with the teachers. We ask that the nurse at least "mention" that Marissa has diabetes and that the teachers should contact the nurse if she acts out of the ordinary. I was going to say strange, but that might be the norm in the 8th grade. LOL

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:08:25 Eastern US
Karen (RN in preschool) from 205.188.197.21
Thanks Ellen!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:08:38 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Many educators think these kids are "using" their D for special priviledges BUT everyone of them would give it up in an instance if they could...too bad more professionals don't understand that!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:08:45 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Steph, don't 504's have to be signed to be "legal"?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:09:06 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
After being judged by them I sometimes feel reluctant to ask to test another day or to leave the class to get some glucose.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:09:07 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
I also brought in a letter I modified from the Insulin-Pumpers website and had the office give one to each of my son's teachers.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:09:07 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Yes they do, Charla

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:09:09 Eastern US
susanne (Mary 8 pumping 7 weeks) from 207.89.169.30
So far Linda they have followed it just fine. If they don't follow it then we all sign it. We had a wonderful meeting with the principal, teacher, 3 school classroom aids and the school secretary this week.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:10:12 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
For the most part I've found the elementary schools to be very accommodating for most things, the high school is even better but the middle school is like a maximum security facility!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:10:18 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Why would they not want to sign it if they weren't planning on following it? I don't understand!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:10:21 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
That's a problem I had last year in school-I didn't get food or help for my low sugar until I was very sorry.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:10:27 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
Rea's principal assured the teachers that he knew her and she would not abuse any of the things we asked for. Also, most of her teachers had her older sisters in classes several years ago and know the family.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:10:31 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Our 10 yr. old was recently dx'd with asthma and I'm just learning the ropes. The med. forms I filled out for Marissa had a section about allowing students to carry their inhalers with them, if they get permission from their dr. I guess we have a liberal system here.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:11:14 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
For the teachers who feel the kids are abusing the "privelege of having diabetes", I would certainly strenuously suggest--- the opportunity to be a in a study at a local university and have a little hypoglycemia induced with LOTS of insulin....and then let them entertain the idea of testing bg over 18,000 times as my son has done since diagnosed.....

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:11:29 Eastern US
Doreen (Type I for 23 Years, Pumping) from 63.160.17.168
Amy... can you just put a glucose tab in your mouth during class if you feel you need to? That's what I did alot. I'm sure I ran high alot in school, but it prevented me from passing out, which was my biggest fear!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:11:47 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
Ellen I wish i lived in Florida . but i live in worcester mass

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:12:02 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Ellen: Great idea!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:12:29 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Tony they are working on the Ashley bill in MA - to make sure all children can test blood glucose in class and there are a few other points on that bill.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:12:31 Eastern US
Linda/Utah from 216.190.28.33
Boy, Ellen, I'd like to do that to MANY nitwits...

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:13:00 Eastern US
Beth (IA) (Rea 15, dx'd 7/98, pumping) from 199.120.105.38
I am going to sign off for now. Goodnight all and good luck to all of you.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:13:03 Eastern US
sunny from 63.15.35.171
We have those forms, will make up a brief packet. We have a 504 in need of changes they refuse to make. They say they can't include giving shots because they can't provide/guarantee a full time nurse. City not schools fund public health nurses here.Who has to pay to enforce 504, say in the event a kid is over 300 and needs 1 unit of Humalog pre-lunch? What do you all do? Do you leave go in and do it or will a nurse do it or will you child do it?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:13:05 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 14, dx 12/97) from 152.163.201.191
Ellen - excellent idea!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:13:07 Eastern US
Chuck (Chad, 14, dx'd @ 13, pump) from 216.78.78.75
Chad has asthma. We have to get a doctor's order that says he can carry his inhaler. Haven't had any prolems. Last year at middle school seemed we needed doctor's order for everything, even to put a bandaid on!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:13:41 Eastern US
Christine (CA) (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
It sure would give them a new appreciation for what our kids go through. I can add a few names to the list

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:13:51 Eastern US
susanne (Mary 8 pumping 7 weeks) from 207.89.169.30
Night Beth

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:14:20 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
I'm still kind of new at this and I don't realize I'm getting low until I get confused or I have a hard time communicating. I'll just have to get on a schedule and know when I have to suck on a glucose tablet.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:14:24 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Tony -- contact Dr. Stuart Brink in Waltham or Dr. Alyne Ricker at the Joslin.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:14:27 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
As stupid as this is, do caution your kids against giving their friend glucose tablets. Some children have been suspended for giving out "drugs" by sharing these sources of sugar!!!!! And I'm not joking.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:14:28 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Although we are lucky not to need a 504, I did have to get 5 forms filled out this year. Went to the endo yesterday and he thought I'd covered all the bases.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:14:32 Eastern US
sunny from 63.15.35.171
Healthcare is a such a low priority these days!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:15:33 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Amy, we've always told teachers/nurses this: If you eat a tablet and are really 350, you'll then be about 365-380, but if you're 45, you really need that tablet.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:15:36 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Brenda, does Marissa go to private school?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:15:40 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Brenda, if you can't cover all the bases, who can? :-)!!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:15:57 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
How true that is, Ellen

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:16:36 Eastern US
Chuck (Chad, 14, dx'd @ 13, pump) from 216.78.78.75
We made sure the teachers and staff at school know what the tablets are and Chad has been warned by us not to give them to anyone because he could get suspended.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:16:43 Eastern US
Doreen (Type I for 23 Years, Pumping) from 63.160.17.168
I know what you're going through Amy. It's tough, but you will start learning your body and the "signs" of being high and low. I was dx at age 11 and didn't catch on until around 14. Alot younger than you. But, they didn't have much education back then, heck, they didn't even have glucometers yet!! :-(

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:16:45 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Marissa attends public school.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:17:33 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
OK, then why do you not need a 504 for Marissa?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:17:46 Eastern US
Eileen (CT) (Mom of 6 year old twins dx'd @ 14 months pumping since 11-99) from 205.188.197.53
Well I really learn a lot tonight, thank you everyone for the information. Tomorrow is our 504!! Good-night.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:17:57 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
How do i find out more on the Ashley bill ?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:17:59 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Amy, while at the endo yesterday they drew blood for a thyroid test. I used a drop to test her BG and she was 62. She said she didn't even realize she was low.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:18:13 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Until my son got braces, he carried individually wrapped life savers instead of glucose tablets (which he affectionately refers to as garbage tablets). Now he just carries some form of food with him, although I stick a tube of glucose tabs in his backpack.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:18:15 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
At 6 years old, should Kathleen carry glucose tabs on her at school, or get them from the teacher? (At home I have everything.)

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:18:25 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Let us know how it goes Eileen! Good luck!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:18:29 Eastern US
Mary from MD (Megan, 11, dx'ed 6.5, pumping ) from 169.132.30.63
HI

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:18:36 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Charla, why do we? If we get complete cooperation from the school, is it really necessary?

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:18:41 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Tony, email me at CamelsRFun@aol.com and I'll get you in touch with someone about it.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:18:57 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
Doreen-did your friends understand when you were low? My friends don't understand that when I don't understand that when I don't respond I'm just low, not being a jerk.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:19:56 Eastern US
Chuck (Chad, 14, dx'd @ 13, pump) from 216.78.78.75
Bye y'all.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:20:03 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Jeanne -- if you think she is responsible enough, let her carry them

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:20:20 Eastern US
Connie (MI) (Mike, 14, dx 12/97) from 152.163.201.191
good night all :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:20:24 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Night, Chuck and thanks!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:20:24 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
I think so. We got complete cooperation from the school for two years. Then they called to say that we needed to keep Eric home from school, or spend the day with him, since the school nurse was not going to be at school the next day and they couldn't find a sub. Sort of proactive versus reactive.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:20:38 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
Thank you Ellen

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:20:43 Eastern US
Doreen (Type I for 23 Years, Pumping) from 63.160.17.168
They understood Amy... alot of times my friends figured out I wasn't right before I did and let the teacher know for me. Develop a support team of friends to help as well :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:20:47 Eastern US
michelle (mother of 4 yr old, dx'd 6/00, pumping!) from 166.84.144.9
Tony, I might be able to help you with a lawyer who wouldn't require a retainer. mrago@ldbs.com

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:21:01 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Night Connie

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:21:13 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 12, dx 2/89, pump 5 years) from 152.163.194.193
Good night all. Good luck with the school system. My son has 37-39 kids in EVERY class this year , except for band which has 54. I'm quite certain no teacher will notice a 7th grader with diabetes having a low blood sugar! That's why my son needs to take as much responsibility for his own diabetes care as he can. And he does very well with it.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:21:50 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Is it a good idea to test before or after PE? It will be her first period of the day, (8:45), and she will have her snack immediately afterwards.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:21:57 Eastern US
Christine (CA) (Mom to Miranda, 5 yrs old, dx at 2) from 216.224.141.85
Well,It's bath time around her. Thanks Steph and everyone else for your tips. you guys are great!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:22:32 Eastern US
Charla (Mom of Eric, age 9, dx'd 9/26/96 ) from 209.131.220.61
Well, I have to be going. I'll read the transcript when it's available. Night all!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:24:02 Eastern US
Amy (age 15) from 166.70.8.248
I have to go eat now. I hate eating. Thanks everyone. Now I feel better about starting school on Monday.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:24:03 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
She probably doesn't need to Jeanne.
Good night and good luck Charla!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:24:57 Eastern US
michelle (mother of 4 yr old, dx'd 6/00, pumping!) from 166.84.144.9
good luck amy

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:25:08 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Thanks Steph for chairing our School Chat. We'll have a transcript in place first thing tomorrow morning.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:25:08 Eastern US
Tony (Dad of Shawn ,5, dx'd at 3 yrs) from 199.173.190.118
Thank you Michelle I will contact you tomorrow
thanks to every one for the info and to Steph, for putting this together good night

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:25:12 Eastern US
susanne (Mary 8 pumping 7 weeks) from 207.89.169.30
I need to run too. Remember each child is different even within the same building. Each plan needs to be individuall

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:25:41 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
Steph, sure miss seeing you at CMH!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:26:04 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Amy - you go girl! I'll tell Kathleen I was chatting tonight with a 15 year old girl - she'll be impressed! Thanks for joining in!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:26:12 Eastern US
Doreen (Type I for 23 Years, Pumping) from 63.160.17.168
I better get my munchkins to bed. Good night everyone!! Take one day at a time... :-)

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:26:53 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
I hope this has been helpful. Remmebr, you can e-mail us if you need more help. Thank you everyone for coming and sharing.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:26:58 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
It's time to start winding down. I'll keep this room open for five more minutes. I suggest people move to the Parents room to continue chatting.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:27:35 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
Rebecca give Hannah an extra hug from me!!!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:27:47 Eastern US
michelle (mother of 4 yr old, dx'd 6/00, pumping!) from 166.84.144.9
Thanks Jeff, Steph.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:28:10 Eastern US
Litlenet (Mom of Hannah,7,dx'd at 3yrs) from 205.188.193.168
Night all, thanks for letting time in chat room first time

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:28:24 Eastern US
Rebecca (Hannah, 7, dx'd @ 2 yrs) from 4.4.205.144
Thanks, Steph. Take care.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:28:41 Eastern US
sunny from 63.15.35.171
Would 15 minutes of recess need a snack? How active can they get? Some sit looking at Pokemon some play tag.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:29:45 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Sunny: good question. I'd probably give a little snack.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:29:58 Eastern US
Jeanne (Mom of Kathleen, 6, dx'd 4 weeks ago) from 205.188.200.41
Steph & Jeff - thanks so much. Now I have a clue what to expect when I do the 504 plan tomorrow. Thanks to everyone. Good night all!

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:30:44 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, almost 13, dx'd at 24 months) from 206.112.197.133
Time to move on to the Parents room. I'm closing this one in a minute or two.

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:31:01 Eastern US
sunny from 63.15.35.171
Sorry I came in so late...

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:31:11 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (Steph.Schwartz@diabetes123.com) from 64.79.80.91
I agree, Jeff

Thu Aug 24 2000 22:31:37 Eastern US
sunny from 63.15.35.171
Thanks,Jeff. Thanks,Steph.



                 
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