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On Tuesday, October 26, 2004, we held a chat about Halloween and diabetes.
Moderator (server) Tue Oct 26 08:00:00 PM EDT 2004
Our chat about Halloween starts at 9pm Eastern.
hi all
wonder how many people will be watching the baseball game?
Hi people
do u like baseball
sorry g2g already bye
hi, I went to Ga to see Kristen and she is doing good for being adiabetic for 2 months
Our chat about Halloween starts in 10 min in the 'Halloween' room.
Hey all
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Good evening, everyone! I'm here... Brenda Hitchcock and I will be co-moderating the conversation tonight. How are you all?
anybody there?
Good and you?
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hello everybody
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A little tired... trying to squish too much into a day. It's been beautiful here in Michigan, though. Sunny and nearly 70 today.
Boo back!
Hi everyone
Good evening all.
So - what does everyone have planned for Halloween? Hey Brenda! Are your kids trick-or-treating on Sunday?
So here's the really important question, how do we mothers keep ourselves from eating all the Halloween candy ?
hi folks! I have to put W down to bed - in case I can't chat I hope you'll address trading candy for toys at Halloween? William is deathly allergic to peanut so that is a big problem for him eating most candy! Thanks!
hey all!!
megans going as a fish tank
We don't. I pretend there is a Halloween ghost in the house that eats it.
the chocolate i MINE
Well, let's just start munching the peanut M&Ms now. May as well...
We buy the candy off of Zach, so he still gets all the fun but the temptation isn't there.
I think we have Timothy, 10, going out. Not sure what the girls have planned. I was quite the "slacker" this year and didn't order goodies from the Oriental Trading Co.. However, I did buy some plastic fangs and other stuff at a local party store. Just in case I didn't get enough, I also got some small packages of Pepperidge Farm Cheddar Fish and Mini-Pretzels to hand out. Not Atkins friendly, but so many people give out candy and no kid (with or w/o diabetes) needs that much.
How do kids with celiac and diabetes manage? There must be gluten in some of the candies too
one yr i bought all her candy,we went shopping than i try letting her have a little bit but she wanted more and more and more
Several years ago, the ADA would collect the candy to deliver to a Food Store or homeless, whatever. We kept a small amount from all three kids, then donated the rest. Marissa was usually given a bag of "stuff" in exchange.
Costco used to sell mini books to give out...I guess I was the least popular mom on the block that year LOL
Ellen, I usually give out nothing but bouncy balls, pencils, mini bubbles, etc. I have notice that more families are doing this, too.
I guess it works with Zach because he doesn't relly care for sweets.
I'm going to offer my daughter (who does not have diabetes) to exchange her candy for a new pair of jeans...I hate having the candy in the house...although Zack likes it and boluses for it.
hi
I always have to have Sevaun eat some of his candy on Halloween evening just to keep his bgs up because of the excitement.
kht some s free candy and now I find out it isHELP
Halloween is Jills favorite holiday, I am glad she doesnt have to give up anything because of diabetes.
Both my girls go trick or treating....afterwards we divide equally between the two of them and anything that I don't know how to figure the carb counts for Amber trades with her sister for things that I can figure out.
Pat, could you repeat your question? I don't understand what you are saying.
what is everyone going as?
we went to see her and bought some sugar free candy for her and now I ind out that it was not a good idea, Help!
Amber says hi
Why is it not a good idea Pat?
how did amber get hurt?
Hi amberI have an amber shes 13
Pat, it was a loving gesture and believe me, lots of well meaning people buy sugar free candy for children who are diagnosed with diabetes. That was very kind of you.
Pat, these days, most people with diabetes are allowed to eat regular candy (in moderation as it should be with everyone). The sugar free candies often contain alcohol sugars, which, went eaten in excess, cause gas or diarrhea.
beacause of the sugar alcohol in the candy
Does your Amber have D?
Sugar free candy can often give kids the "runs". It also is not carbohydrate free. Most doctors today believe that children with diabetes can eat the same foods as everyone else as long as they take insulin for it.
I remember the first year that Sam went trick-or-treating after dx (he was dx'd in August when he was 8). All the neighbors checked with me ahead of time about candy. I said it was ok, but instead, they all gave him potato chips. Odd choice.
the truth of the matter is, that no child should be allowed to gorge themselves on candy all at once and need to learn how to ration it, whether they have diabetes or not. It always galled me to see any child eat a large packet of candy.
Pat, I'm sure you didn't know about the sugar alcohol. Many people don't. How old is Kristen and when was she diagnosed?
kristen likes potato chips
There are other things to give out besides candy - something like a granola bar or fruit roll-up can be used in lunches or for lows. Brenda, was it you who gave out pencils one year?
what about sugarless gum?
the neighbors were all concerned for Jill that first yr too, and some bought her a special bag of things. some had sunflower seeds, sugar free candy and small trinkets. It was a wonderful gesture!!!
kristen is 7 and she was diagnosed two months ago and I also need to know what kind of cake to give her for her birthday. help.
hey! I am going trick-or-treating with the the Billetdeaux's this year.
Sugarless gum is a great idea! Also, if you're not in a huge neighborhood (because it can get expensive), bags of popcorn are good as well. Our town doctor has a caramel apple-making station at his house. Pick your apple, dunk it in the caramel, roll it in nuts, and wrap it up! I'd walk BLOCKS for that!
The first time Zack went trick-or-treating on the pump, he went very low from all the running around in the heat (it's still HOT here at night). He would only eat chocolate and refused to eat the simple sugar to bring up his bg. We had to have him driven home...he couldn't walk...He was a kid with a 10 pound bag of candy and went low! So think about reducing insulin if your child will be out running hard and for a long time trick-or-treating.
My next door neighbor has a can of diet pop for when Amber comes knocking. I appreciate the gesture.
Pat, I always make a regular cake with regular frosting. Usually, esp. at Kristen's age, the kids are running around so much that the extra sugar helps them from having low blood sugars. Some people use Cool Whip as the frosting as it is lower in sugar/carbohydrates.
potato chips, pretzels,& granola bars have carbs too. And don't seem like an exciting thing to get.
They recommend no homemade treats here becuase people have put pins and needles in them. It happens every year.
Sheri, I've heard the same thing. I think it's because Laura lives in the boondocks and knows everyone.
birthday pie ,pat
I throw away homemade treats unless I know the family personally. I feel bad doing it because in most cases I am sure that there is nothing wrong with it, but I'm just not willing to take the chance.
It's a shame becuase some of the olser people make caramel popcorn balls. My favorite.
it really annoys me that sugar free cookies are so expensive, have a bunch of carbs and TINY little bitty servings!! waste of money for an inferior taste but we did try those way back at first too.
Well, heck, it's the town doctor's house....
And you're right. We all know everyone here in town. If it was a homemade treat from someone I didn't know, I'd pitch it.
I've adjusted all my recipies to use sugar substitute instead. Except my shortbread.
i went to the town doctors last year with carolyn
to much artificial sweetener give megan headaches,she love to drink my coffee and i use sweet n low
kristen likes swet and low in her tea, but I haven't used for cooking
I use some sugar substitutes too, they are helpful, but nothing totally sugar free has the same consistency and texture. I like to add some fiber, and less sugar to homemade things. Anything that gets away from heavy frosting helps a lot too. like the cool whip suggestion
boy I can't spell roght tonite.
Can you make sugar free jello with splenda?
I guess I need a vacation
I tend to use sugar twin because Spelna needs to be refrigerated.
I havent used splenda
The Jello that I buy is already sugar free. And I just add hot water then cold
hello
I just type pat and if it comes out right more the better
They all have nutrasweet and I don't like it.
Hmm, do I need to refrigerate the Splenda I have? I rarely use it and was not aware it was to be in the fridge.
We use Splenda on cereal in the morning and also use it to make up a batch of cinnamon sprinkle for toast. I have tried using it in baking but so far haven't been very happy with the results.
I didn't realize it needed to be refridgerated, just knew it has a short shelf life- I think 3 months after opening
Ellen, I think I have only seen sugar free jello with Nutrasweet.
Melanie, I have made cheesecake using Splenda. I prefer to use sugar, but this cheesecake was for my neighbor who wanted reduced carbs. She said it was great.
I've used Sugar Twin and it worked well. I can't even stand the taste of sugar in baking anymore.
Pat-the following website www.cw.bc.ca/endodiab/pdf/minitreats.pdf has the carb counts for mini-treats. is:treatsize smarties
That's funny Sheri. I like sugar, and honey, and pure dark Belgian chocolate. I really don't like artifical sweeteners.
When oyu bake with Splenda it needs to be kept in the fridge otherwise the baking is only good for 2-3 days. At least the cookbook I have from Lifescan says that.
I love honey. dark chocolate and bittersweet chocolate and brown sugar but not regular sugar. Zach is the same but his sister loves package mixes that have sugar.
Guess I will have to look into that, Sheri. I know some of the Splenda I have has not been opened.
seems like they put too much sweetener in some of the sugar free stuff like jello and coolaid. a little overboard
well, I better go for a swim, I ate way too much and then topped it off with a carmel apple. feeling REAL guilty now.
You know, I think that what we parents (talking to you oldtimers, like Ellen) did for Halloween 10 years ago is not the same as today. We didn't count carbs and didn't allow much candy at all. Now, we just work it into our children's diets. Just doesn't seem, to me, like Handling Halloween 2004 is the big deal it was in 1994. What do you think, Ellen?
Bye Maryann.
Don't go in Lake Michigan Maryann...should be COLD!
I'm hoping she is talking about an indoor, heated pool.
Gosh, pre-pump, I don't think Zack ever had ANY candy. We were in the dark ages on 2 shots per day and a rigid meal plan, where I weighed and measured EVERYTHING
sitting in a motel in a ghost town , overlooking a COLD lake.
swim where?
Brenda. I'm looking at the cookbook and it does sa that it doesn't have the preservative qualities that sugar does and so baking done with Spenda should br refrigerated or frozen. It has other tips for cooking with it too like mixing it with the flour not creaming it with the butter...
Where are you, Maryann?
Sheri, so is it the Splenda itself that gets refrigerated or the cupcakes/cookies/etc. that are made with Splenda? I'm confused.
Do jumping jacks instead. No way would I jump into a cold lake right now. Better yet, have some cocoa.
At least they have Internet access in the ghost town Maryann :-)
The baking gets refrigerated not the open Splenda.
Wow, that gives me an idea, but not one I will be using this Halloween. Give away individual packets of cocoa mix--the kind made with Splenda! My girls have had that and enjoyed it.
same for JIll, we were careful for only a little while, with sugar. But I wonder if the moms that are so careful really have much tighter numbers and control. I suppose they do. But I know Jill and Z. and Marissa have done pretty well
I had to drive a long way to find a nice motel this time.!! we are in Houghton Lake Mich.
We're still on 2 shots a day, but I find plenty of opportunity to sneak candy and stuff into Sevaun's meals/snacks.
Sheri, I'm old and was thinking you meant refrigerate the package of Splenda! Too little sleep on my part???
Why is Splenda so popular? Sugar is only 13 calories or so in a spoonful.
Ooooh. Houghton Lake is COLD! What are you doing up there? Neal and I spent one Halloween up by Traverse City and all the kids were in parkas...
Trust me I know the feeling!
I hope this halloween is going to be as nice as last yrs,kids were getting hot taking their costumes off ,shirts off it got so warm last yr.
You should have driven here Maryann, the Atlantic Ocean water temp at the local beach is 81 degrees
Ellen, I think it's the carbs. Splenda has a lot fewer than sugar. Personally, I prefer sugar. I get the cocoa mix with Splenda, sometimes, and use it to make cheesecake for my neighbors (they dog sat for us three times last summer so it was part of the "payment.")
I saw that Clinton was in Boca Raton today so Maryann would have had to stay with you.
It's a guarantee here that we will have rain and snow.. It happens every year.
husbands work . and Mio, and Roscommon rolled up the sidewalks at night, same here, but more motels.
and in MI on halloween you always dress warm
Where are you Sheri? We're near Cincinnati and the weather can change daily.
wheres that sheri?
Winnipeg, Canada
Maybe she would have liked to stay with Clinton
Right now (in MI) the weather report is for 50 and sunny on Sunday... which means chilly for trick or treat, but at least not sleeting or snowing. Still, it's coat weather once the sun goes down!
The province of Manitoba
Well, I guess you will have cold!
I always buy their costumes big enough to go over their coats
We didn't get very much above zero here today and I've had the heat on for about two weeks
Hi all + Happy Hallowe'en
Hello
We also have Boo at the Zoo
Hi Cassy! and Kelli
We are going to Camp Ho Mita Koda for their Halloween party- Nate is so excited because his brother and sister get to go with him
Everyone's costume's ready? Hi Ellen.
Hi everyone, finally got on the chat. It's 27 degrees here and we have a foot of snow at lake level. What happened to fall? So much for a warm Halloween!
I missed most of the chat but I hope the transcript will indicate you're mailing all your kids' candy to me
I've bought some toys for William and Roderick and plan to trade their candy for the toy
Hi Ellen- thanks for fwd'ing that to Jeff- he was able to help me add my signature
Hey Debbie
Hi everyone, finally got on the chat. It's 27 degrees here and we have a foot of snow at lake level. What happened to fall? So much for a warm Halloween!
I asked Kate what was here favorite part of Halloween and she immediately said CANDY
hot chocolate with Splenda for Halloween.
NAte will be eating candy and doughnuts for Halloween and getting LOTS of extra H
I used to find that tricker treating dropped me so low..i ended up eating candy with no insulin...even when i had to steal from my nieces and nephews..when taking them out...
Deb, will your kids be skiing to other houses?
That's true Wendy, we never have to supplement with as much insulin as you's think....
HI Laura, and what are you going to be for Halloween?
Deb- where do you live (so I never move there!
Brenda, X-country skiing, sounds like a plan!
Last year was our first since dx. We were on Novolog & NPH. The activity of trick/treat was enough to cover her candy that night. Then we just added to meals one treat per. This year we are pumping. I want to avoid a low too - so when does one bolus? What about the activity?
Home , Is "Lake Tahoe" Northern California.
My pleasure Cassy - I figured going to the source was the best way to answer it :-)
Deb- beautiful I'm sure-I'd be willing to live there regardless of the snow!
Kelli...i would say...you might want to considering lowering the basal rate for all the walking and bolus consservatively..very hard to figure out...
that's usually the best way Ellen
Good night everyone-have to make lunchs, do supper dishes etc. Have a great Hallowe'en everyone
Good night all....may none of the moms here gain weight from the Halloween candy!
We have diluted Nate's insulin and it is working FABULOUSLY...what a relief!
Kelli, I don't know what Marissa has done the last few years. I would either bolus less (ex. if your child takes 1 unit for 20g, have her bolus 1 unit for 30 or 40g) or bolus the usual amount for every other piece of candy with 12g or more. So, bolus for a 17g candy bar, nothing for a 15g piece of candy, bolus for the next. Does this make sense to anyone? Make sure you check her BG every hour, if not more often. Just depends on the amount of walking.
Wendy, good idea. I didn't even think about a reduced basal. I'd start it an hour or two before the activity starts to be on the safe side.
Wenday- the pics I tried to mail you were returned to me
oops Wendy
i got them Cassy...
Just a thought , but we donate our candy to the Womens Center,after we take out some favorites. That way kids from troubeled home can share in some fun.
Thanks Wendy, and Hi Brenda. (Great picture of Jeff and Marissa today) What about cutting back the usual bolus on the supper meal she'll eat before trick/treating. Otherwise, I worry that insulin for her supper will go through her pretty fast with the walking?
weird! I wonder if they just went in some sort of loop...
opps..know what in the reply looks like i returned them...sorry not the brightest bulb in the box here...
Deb, Laura tried to answer you, but is having a computer problem. Jeff is on the phone with her trying to see what happened.
Laura reports that her computer has decided that it's time for her to go to bed.
Thanks Brenda. I was having alott of trouble getting off "Muted" and I sent a "problem report". I finally changed user names to get on.
and it's time for me to go to bed too ...
Kelli, a lot will depend on what her BG is before dinner, what you try to feed her, what she eats, her level of anticipation, etc. She may be so excited, she hardly eats. And, if you reduce her basals starting two hours before dinner, you should be ok with "almost" normal dinner insulin. Wouldn't hurt to give a little less, but if she's a little high, let her stay a little high (bolus normal, no correction). Lots of options and there are no guarantees, of course.
Time for Dinner here....see you on the "Friends For Life" chat tomorrow night. Thanks again for your message Brenda, I will catch up with Laura tomorrow.
Night Jeff
Night Goodyear...enjoy dinner..
Good night all. The troops are very restless here and picking on each other. Time for bed before someone really gets outta line. Have a great halloween.
Hopefully, Laura will be back tomorrow. She's probably just ransacking the kitchen, eating all that candy she planned to give out.
That's for sure, Brenda, no guarantees. Thanks for the excellent ideas, suggestions.
Hi all.
Night Sherri...LOL Brenda...
Hi Shelly.
Just realized it was a different time zone. It is only 9:15 here.
I need to head off, too. Time for a few chores before bed. I think this room will be open until 11 EDT (reminds me that most of us need to change our clocks this weekend--don't forget). BYE
Good to know I'm not the only one who ransacks the kitchen for the halloween candy, before I give it out. Especially the CHOCOLATE.
My daughter is 7 too. What is your daughter's costume?
Thanks very much Brenda. Goodnight to you guys on the east side. Its early here in the west.
Hi Shelly...Night Brenda..
She is going to be half angel half devil. Very cute. How about your daughter?
Kate will be a new Canadian cartoon character called "Atomic Betty" - red hair, super hero girl - save the world, lots of pink - you get the picture. Anyway, her pump color is "atomic purple" so she also called her pump Atomic Betty.
How funny.
Got quiet all of a sudden.
I see your dd's dx date, Shelly. How are you guys doing.
Good. This has been a rough week. I think her honeymoon period is starting to end. She was normally between 70 - 150 and lately we have been 200 - 400. They increased her insulin today. Her last a1c a month ago was 5.9. I am sure it will be a lot different at our next apt. How long did Kate's honeymoon last?
She didn't have much of one. Her insulin needs just continued to grow. She never had a period of reduced needs as some report. That's an awesome a1c. We've never seen that.
The dr. told me not to expect it again. I think her pancreas helped a lot.
Is Kate on Lantus or a pump?
I understand the honeymoon to be a good thing for the body. Lantus is not readily avail in Canada. We were on Novolog and NPH but are not on a pump since August.
Sorry, that should be we are NOW on pump since August.
With her honeymoon ending soon she will be able to take her pump classes in Dec. She is on Lantus and Novolog. I am surprised that Canada is not where we are.
Good luck with the pump. I am sure you will do well - it is awesome. Yup, I can't recall what the hold up is with Lantus - it is actually approved but there is some dumb glitch no doubt relating to money, that prevents it from being easily available. You CAN get it if you get a special script but no guarantee it has been refrig properly and insurance doesn't cover it. So, we wait.
Goodnight Kelli. Nice chatting with you.
hi,
having a very sressful nite with "dad" its all hitting home
had a very stressful meet with endocrinologist and nutritionist, they seem as confused as us.
does it always seem like this when newly dignosed?
confused and sad
ok, what did I miss?
Hi, chef.mom, it was very stressful and confusing when our 1st child was diagnosis and I'm a nurse and my husband is a med tech.
Chef, who is newly diagnosed? and yes it is all confusing when first dxd...
hello anyone home?
missy-
thanks, so you would meet together and not realy get straight answers?
is it all trial and error? we are looking for some solid info and answers her is this how it starts?
(sorry that you have 2 !
my daughter emily -10-was diagnosed last week, at first they thought it was from her "steroids" for asthma, we were to the er once before my ped. did pee test
chef, we went to the childrens hosp. and were very disappointed, but that was 15 yrs ago.
Sometimes you have to shop endos to find a team your comfortable with. Did they give you any books to read?
Hey chef. when our son was diagnosed it felt as if he was some kind of science experiment. None of the on call doctors wanted to take him because he was so young.
Chef, before you know it YOU will be telling your endo what insulin changes Em needs!
my kitchen table has become home base to a library of stuff, but my day is packed with trying to get stable, get the stuff for the school nurse buy the food, how can i possibly have time to read?
we just got home friday.
I agree with Sherry. We rarely call our team, because every case is different. You'll soon become a diabetes expert. I feel I am now, and he's only had it for 8 months.
You can go to the Barbara Davis Center for Childhood Diabetes and read their on line book. I think the most important chapter at first is the one on greiving.
You do become an expert, Lindsey has never been hospitalized because of her diabetes.
hi
You cannot expect to have time to grieve, learn how to care for Em and read everything that is available. It is all so overwhelming at first...but believe me, in time it will become part of your daily life.
hi everyone
Hi, Sandra and Cathy, Whitney's been to the ER for hydration.
Hi Cathy
Hello, Sandra and Cathy
Jared has not been in the hopital since diagnosis 7 years ago. I rarely call the endo with problems...It is just 2nd nature to figure it out ourselves at this point. I remember like it was yesterday, the stress when he was first diagnosed.
dx in 99 been twice for hydration here too
Hi Sandra and Cathy!
This room will close in five minutes. Please move to a new room.
I wish there had been places like this when Lindsey was dxd. It helps just to replay everything to someone who has been through it.
yucks we have to move
what room are we moving to?
I didn't know about this chat room or if it even existed when Jared was diagnosed. We drove an hour and a half to meet another child with diabetes. I am moving to the Parents room.
The parents room is always a good one.
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