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Diabetes Burnout
With Dr. William Polonsky

Living with diabetes can be tough. In fact, it can be downright burdensome and frustrating. Diabetes is not just a simple matter of eating right or taking one's medications properly. Diabetes is often an emotional struggle as well. Addressing and overcoming the emotional stresses of diabetes may be one of the most important steps that can be taken in order to manage the illness successfully. Unfortunately, it is too easy for both patients and doctors to neglect this "personal" side of the disease. Yet how can you effectively manage diabetes if you aren't giving proper attention to your own difficult thoughts and feelings about the disease?

In this chat session, we want to focus on the emotional side of diabetes, especially that feeling known as "diabetes burnout". Burnout is what happens when you feel overwhelmed and defeated by diabetes and by the frustrating burden of diabetes self-care. People who have burned out realize that good diabetes care is important for their health, but they just don't have the motivation to do it. At a fundamental level, they feel at war with their diabetes--and they are losing. In this chat, we will talk more about diabetes burnout and the problems of motivation. Most importantly, I hope we can learn from each other about your personal strategies for overcoming burnout, coping with the emotional side of diabetes and managing diabetes more effectively.

William H. Polonsky, PhD, CDE
Assistant Clinical Professor in Psychiatry
University of California, San Diego

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com Tue Feb 27 2001 20:15:00 Eastern US
The 'Feelings Matter' chat room is now open.


Tue Feb 27 2001 20:42:07 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hello...and welcome to this evening's special chat about diabetes and depression. Our guest is Dr. William Polonsky, clinical psychologist and author of the recent book Diabetes Burnout: What to Do When You Can't Take it Anymore, published by the American Diabetes Association. Dr. Polonsky is currently Assistant Clinical Professor in Psychiatry, University of California San Diego. He serves as a behavioral consultant in diabetes to several, multi-site clinical research trials, including the NIH Diabetes Prevention Program (University of California San Diego site). He is an active researcher in behavioral medicine and has authored a number of professional articles on psychosocial and behavioral issues in diabetes. A licensed clinical psychologist and certified diabetes educator, he also maintains a private practice, specializing in psychosocial issues in diabetes. Dr. Polonsky received his PhD in clinical psychology from Yale University and has served as Chairman of the National Certification Board for Diabetes Educators, Senior Psychologist at the Joslin Diabetes Center in Boston, Instructor in Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and Head, Health Psychology Division, Naval Medical Center San Diego.

Tue Feb 27 2001 20:56:51 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Are you here, Dr. Polonsky?

Tue Feb 27 2001 20:58:03 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Hello, Judith!

Tue Feb 27 2001 20:59:20 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Hi everyone

Tue Feb 27 2001 20:59:39 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hello! Glad to see you. I'll go round up some chatters....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:00:09 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Hi Kathryn!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:00:58 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Somehow I don't think I've ever looked forward to chatting with people as I have for this one... I noticed the announcement at the right time.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:01:26 Eastern US
Becky (Mom of Alex dx'd 11/00) from 216.16.81.51
hi

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:01:27 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Welcome Amy.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:01:30 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa,13-dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Hi all. Are we talking about our kids with burnout? Parents of kids with D having burnout? Type 1 Adults with burnout?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:01:41 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
Hi

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:02:02 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa,13-dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Congrats Heidyn!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:02:05 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
and hi Becky! So who wants to chime in on diabetes burnout?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:02:23 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Brenda, any kind of burnout you want!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:03:00 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Bill, I borrowed your book from our local diabetes society when my husband was the only one with T2 in our home. Great stuff, I thought, if only HE would read it. Now I've got diabetes, its not so easy to rationalise things and to stick to my personal regime. I find the feelings of deprivation (Chocolate, spontaneity)the hardest to deal with. Then I go and gobble up the things I should not eat.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:03:03 Eastern US
Becky (Mom of Alex dx'd 11/00) from 216.16.81.51
Ok, Alex was only diagnosed this past Nov. but I am the only one who takes care of him and it is defeinetly almost burnout time

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:03:20 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa,13-dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Well, I know Marissa is sure sick of having diabetes (11.5 yrs so far). Luckily, she is pretty good about testing and bolusing.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:03:23 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Brenda, those are all probably candidates for burnout. Imagine YOU are tired of diabetes after all these years.....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:04:34 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Wow! So Kathryn (and others), how do you deal with deprivation?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:05:25 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
My son David just pretends he doesn't have diabetes..... No deprivation!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:05:58 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I'm about at my wits end right now; the idea of testing my blood sugar or getting a shot just one more time feels totally unfathomable.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:06:07 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Becky and Brenda's comments make me think about the age-old problem of diabetes "vacations" (you need them, and never seem to get any).

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:06:08 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Esp. since Marissa has been using her pump (2.5 yrs) we have not eliminated any foods. I probably should so I could lose a few pounds!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:06:22 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:06:38 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, please say more!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:07:11 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I'd pay serious money for a vacation right now... I went into DKA last week because my endo. rashly decreased my evening Lente, and I really just can't take much more.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:07:30 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
Deprivation? Don't generally have that,I just find other foods that taste just as good

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:07:30 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Amy, are you just tired of it? Do you feel hopeful about the latest efforts to find a cure?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:07:34 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
What do you propose for "diabetes vacations"?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:07:40 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Brenda, congrat (and thank goodnes for the pump). As you know, one you start thinking you can't have certain foods, your desire for them can go through the roof!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:08:03 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
I do ok most days that I am working nights etc as an RN- have to be organised etc. Then its my day off, I have a glass of wine with dinner, then I think hmmm- a chocolate would be nice, then another and another... I think that the ETOH evaporates my usual resolve and full control.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:08:05 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
It's not even about deprivation, because I don't *remember* ever being able to eat "normally", plus I know that the stuff that I shouldn't be eating isn't really good for anyone.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:08:06 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Amy, did you question his/her decision about the Lente?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:08:45 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I'm tired of it, I'm tired of not feeling good, I'm tired of being different from my friends, and I'm tired of getting to know the health services staff really well over the past four years.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:09:25 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Yes, I questioned his decision, and he said I'd be fine. I gave him a major guilt trip the next day in the ER, though. I think he felt guilty; he's called every day since, with the exception of this morning.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:09:50 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, your experience is certainly a good recipe for burnout. Its when you start to feel that diabetes is out of oyur control, or that diabetes is running your life. So sorry to hear about the DKA...

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:10:28 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Well, at least this time we caught it before it was a crisis. Just six hours in the ER and I was sent home...

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:10:42 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
What steps can Amy and Kathryn and others take to minimize burnout?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:11:26 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Judith, the two situations are very different. For Amy,...

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:12:01 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
For Amy, I just want to make sure she's got someone in her life that she can talk to about all this. amy, is there someone who is rooting for you through all this?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:12:08 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Marissa has always been a very healthy eater, but she has added much more junk food to her diet in the last 4 years. I think a lot of it is related to the "diet" schools provide. It's not just what the cafeteria serves, but what parents provide for parties. My first grade son has a boy with D in his class and I told the V-Day party mom I would provide sugar-free jello jigglers and told her to have Crystal Light or something similar for them to drink. They had reg. Hi-C or such and lots of candy and cookies. Since I was there and have given the teacher some guidance, the boy didn't get too many sweets except what the kids exchanged. Now, in Jr. High, Marissa is exposed to lots more junk food.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:13:17 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
One of my best friends on campus is pretty supportive, and there's a clinician at health services who is a good listener. I don't like bugging her, though, especially right now when the flu is going around.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:13:31 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
For Kathryn, I hope she'll talk with her doc or a dietitian about this chocolate thing. Kathryn chocolate is OK at night. Probably not a truckload, though. Its all a matter of how you are using medications to offset the carb load.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:13:52 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
My parents don't know. My mother, especially, because her suggestion for everything is bucking up and thinking that it will be better in the morning.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:13:54 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
My parents don't know. My mother, especially, because her suggestion for everything is bucking up and thinking that it will be better in the morning.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:14:07 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
But, it's not getting better in the morning.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:14:36 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Amy, have you considered a pump to achieve more stability?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:15:22 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Brenda, you've identified such an important issue. So many adults I know feel like they have a terrible will-power problem, and yet junk foods are so easy, convenient, and cheap. One psychologist has suggested that the solution for us as a society is to tax junk food, not blame people for not having enough will power.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:15:28 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Ugh. The idea of something stuck to me is not even a possibility. (I was a competitive swimmer until I destroyed my knee doing breaststroke, and I still swim whenever I get the chance.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:15:57 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
Amy,if you'd like to talk about anything,I'll be glad to try to help(I'm also a college student,so I know how tough it can be) my email is hvogn@yahoo.com

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:16:40 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
I'm here too, i am a college student (i have a pump and swim with it all the time)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:17:09 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, please bug your pal, or the clinician you mentioned. Its easy to lose perspective about diabetes, especially since you've been dealing with it for so long. Diabetes IS tough, but it doesn't have to be so tough when you've got support from others (the kind of support that YOU need, not someone telling you what to do). Know what i mean?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:17:27 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
You don't have to disconnect it for water ?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:17:40 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Yay, Heidyn!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:18:12 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
i have a new pump (it is water proof)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:18:15 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
That kind of makes sense, but I always feel like I'm whining whenever I talk about it. So many people's attitudes -- at least around here -- is that "Well, you can get a shot to control it, so you're fine." That's just not the case.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:18:17 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
2 of the pumps - Disetronic and Animas - are waterproof

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:18:24 Eastern US
Maryann (michigan) (Jill 16, dx'd @11, pumping) from 63.23.175.17
Jill had issues with having to wear a pump! but after she went on it she felt so MUCH better, even though she was not sick before. She likes it a lot

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:19:00 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, have you chatted here much before? There are a number of young adults dealing with the same thing. I think you'd find lots of understanding and support.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:19:12 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, I hate to engage in shameless marketing, but have you seen my book-- Diabetes Burnout: What To Do when You Can't Take it Anymore. I think you might like it!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:19:21 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Kathryn, Marissa's pump is waterproof, but she prefers to remove it while she is in the water. If she's in the pool more than 90 min., she reconnects the pump for a min. or uses an insulin pen to give herself insulin. Can't go long without any insulin, one downside of the pump. Are you on oral meds or insulin?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:19:39 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, do you know others your age with diabetes?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:19:40 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I usually visit the site late at night, and there don't seem to be many people logged in. (Usually around 12:30 or so, after Leno ends.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:19:49 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
Amy - have you spoken to any pumpers? Although it seems like it would be so onerous, I always tells people that although initially it feels like you're doing so much MORE, you actually end up doing so much LESS...less treating of lows, less feeling sick, less eating, less feeling constrained by a time schedule, etc...

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:20:11 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I saw it last night, actually. After I manage to pay off some of my textbooks, I might get it.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:20:40 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
There is a pumper here, but I've never met her. (Except via our electronic conference system)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:21:07 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Kevin is usually here late at night :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:21:11 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
Amy - no one who doesn't live with diabetes 24/7 (or parent someone who does) can ever understand all the juggling this condition necessitates....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:21:13 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
So glad to hear that many of you are talking about pumps; it really is a great way to set yourself free, isn't it? Although Amy's feeling is very common-- being stuck to something 24 hours/day. How did you pumpers ever get over that feeling?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:21:29 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
I used to hate the idea of a pump-but after awhile of very erratic bgs that never improved I figured anything would be better then what I currently go through without control

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:21:32 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Amy, what do you do about insurance? That has to be a stressful issue for anyone your age--can't use the parents and can't afford your own.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:21:40 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Its early days for me- still just diet with HBA1c of 5.5. Listening to others who have been working with their D for years makes me feel a bit of a whimp to be having issues so soon.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:21:46 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
yea, i don't usually get ready to chat untill 1 or 2 am

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:21:59 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Judith-- Not really. There are two other diabetics here that I know of -- one is a sophomore and the other a first year -- and there wasn't anyone in my home town. Even the ped. clinic I used to visit just treated mainly younger kids.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:22:52 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I'm really lucky with insurance. Since I'm still a student, I'm covered, and have been since I was born. Aetna will continue to carry me throughout my education.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:22:54 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
well i have to go, have a good night

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:22:58 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
You've never been to camp, Amy? That's a great place to make friends. You are in the East.... Barton Camp near Boston may have some things for young adults

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:23:05 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
Hello/ I staryted pumping last oct and was concerned with pumping and attachment.but it is ironic It didn't bother me as I fell free and almost unattached to my 26 years of d

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:23:16 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
See you later, Kevin.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:23:16 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
Hi everyone. Michael has only been dianosed for about 2 1/2 years, but I often hear "I hate my life" or "everybody hates me cause I'm a freak!" Diabetes camp helped, but he doesn't have any close friends who "understand". Being on the pump helps him not feel so different, but he still has to do finger sticks and that causes the other kids to nickname him "Diabetes Kid". He gets really upset about it. Can any of you college students give me an idea about how to help him cope?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:23:18 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Kathryn, not to worry! to a large degree, Type 1 is a different story. Are you getting good information about diabetes, especially the new approach that says eating sweets (in moderation) is fine?....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:23:57 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
bye, kevin!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:24:08 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:24:10 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Both of my boys are pumping. Dave in particular did NOT want something attached to him, but decided to try after talking to friends who pump.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:24:24 Eastern US
Maryann (michigan) (Jill 16, dx'd @11, pumping) from 63.23.175.17
Amy, look into the pump WHILE you have insurance! and if you think it is gross to be attached, have a look at the actual parts that attach. They are far from gross

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:24:28 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
Bill..what helped my daughter immediately was simply how much better she felt physically..her "norm" had become a matter of feeling so awful, sluggish, etc that she didn't realize how poorly she felt until she began to experience much more normal bgs as evidenced by her A1C going from an 8.8 to a 6.8 within 6 months...now even a blood sugar of 200 makes her feel sickly

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:24:31 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
my email is red63impala@hotmail.com - feel free to write ~~~~Gone~~~~~

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:24:39 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Kathryn, once I was testing a new meter and had an elevated BG of 165 or so, about 1 hr. after a piece of cake. I tested myself regularly for about 2 wks until I realized I didn't need to worry, yet. On Sun. we were testing a new One Touch Ultra (5 seconds to the reading) and I was 58. Tested at 59 and 45 on two other meters. Made me wonder what in the world is going on. I know that I should exercise more and eat better since I think I probably am at risk for Type 2.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:24:46 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Dee. That's rough, when the other kids tease.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:25:18 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I went to camp (diabetic, that is) for two years when I was 11 and 12. They insisted on changing my dosage, and I was so sick when I got back... I never went back to camp. Almost worked for Barton last summer, though; decided that I needed a vacation off.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:25:57 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
bye kevin

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:26:45 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
Camp seems to help Michael's attitude, but last year he was one of only three with a pump. He said he still felt like he was different!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:26:54 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, I don't know if you're in a major town, but I wonder if there is a support group for folks your age with diabetes. That sure would be nice. any idea?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:27:07 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Dee, I think that's partly the age. Dave said the same sorts of things when he was 9 and 10. That's when it first really seemed to bother him that he has diabetes.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:27:13 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Not to criticize Judith who works at a D camp, but we learned several years ago that a D kid should NOT have his insulin reduced drastically at camp. They always talked about all the activity, but we saw too many high BG's the first year or two. Guess they reduced yours too much, Amy.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:27:27 Eastern US
Maryann (michigan) (Jill 16, dx'd @11, pumping) from 63.23.175.17
I just can't even picture having to worry what time it is at any time.... nobody should have to live by the clock!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:27:28 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Dee, I can guarantee there will be more pumps in camps this year.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:27:32 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
And, Dee, I'd sure like to hear what our experts hear say as well. I suspect many of them went through this in school also....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:27:33 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
Dee...is the school at all helpful? Any counselor there you can speak to about how the other kids are treating your son?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:28:03 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I guess, in addition to venting (which feels incredibly wonderful), I wanted to know if anyone knew of any ways to get over this feeling... I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but I haven't taken my insulin since yesterday, and I'm sure that I'm probably high -- although I haven't eaten much today because it's been a really busy day -- but somehow I just don't care anymore. (Please don't lecture me; it won't help...)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:28:18 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
I cannot give any advise on the teasin I find sometimes i get annoyed as my coowrkers will want to know what is my blood sugar after testing I feel that it is my privacy and they shouldn't ask unfortunately some coworkers are rude about the d you just haveto deal with them

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:28:46 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Brenda, some of the high numbers are related to dehydration in the heat.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:28:58 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Actually, they didn't reduce it. They were used to dealing with NPH people, not people that were on Ultralente, so they just treated me like I was on NPH. Force-fed me snacks, gave me problems about getting a lunch time shot, etc.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:29:17 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
He is tired of having diabetes and wants to be like everyone else. We try to let him do everything everyone else does, but it is no fun when you have to stop and take a finger stick!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:29:23 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, so you are truly taking a diabetes vacation! You must really feel crummy. What's up?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:29:30 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, not a lecture - but skipping the insulin will only make you feel rotten.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:30:00 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
go ahead and vent,Amy,been there done that

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:30:30 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
no Dee diabetes is no fun..

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:30:32 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
I think thins have changed a lot in the 8 or 9 yrs. since you went to camp. Would you consider being a camp counselor? They are always looking for people to help. I doubt they pay, but you'd meet a lot of people.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:30:47 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
oooops, things, not thins

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:30:53 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
evening everyone

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:31:16 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I don't feel all that bad, and will probably get my shot tonight -- I got it last night at 1:30 -- because I know that since I'm only on one dose of Ultralente in the morning, things will spike really bad.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:31:27 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
The school counselor is not much help, neither is the nurse. They don't treat him much better than the kids. The principal is a lot of help as her husband is a diabetic, but she is not familiar with the pump!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:31:34 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Nancy.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:31:38 Eastern US
Maryann (michigan) (Jill 16, dx'd @11, pumping) from 63.23.175.17
Amy, how many times have you had to have emergency care, or been hospitalized?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:31:44 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
I think I'd like to be a counsler sometime(sounds interesting)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:31:56 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
amy is there a special reason you feel you don't need to tke injection?//???

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:32:16 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
What's up? I don't know. It's one of those things that I can't explain, but I just really can't deal with this any more. I've had my turn, let someone else do it for a while.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:32:21 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
congrats Heidyn :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:32:23 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
I would consider being a counselor except that Michael feels that this is his time to do something without Mom!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:32:25 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
Amy - don't overlook the "seasonal" aspect to feeling awful in general this time of year at college..my older non-D daughter was relating how many kids she's heard of who are seeing counselors or dropping courses or taking a semester off...factor in diabetes too & it's a lot to handle on dreary cold days...we can't make your diabetes go away but we can all listen

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:32:44 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Just check our camps pages to find the camp nearest you and give them a call.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:32:46 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
Amy how many shots /type of insulin per day,maybe switching to another kind would help

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:33:25 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Heidyn, it's a wonderful chance to provide a role model for kids like Dee's Michael....to let them see that you CAN live successfully with diabetes (Lots of work and aggravation involved, of course_

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:33:30 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Um, last year was probably the worse. I ended up in the ER twice -- once for dehydration and once for a hypo ( the dehydration, though, wasn't involved with DKA), but hospitalized twice (both eating related. I was in a dining hall that wasn't open on the weekends, so I stopped eating, which caused ketones, etc.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:34:13 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, I'm really impressed that diabetescan at times be such a big pain that you really must have a vacation! Perhaps others could comments on how they fit diabetes "mini-vacations" in their lives???

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:34:36 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
This year -- academic year -- I was in the ER three times. Last week, with DKA, that I know wasn't caused by skipping injections, because I didn't, once for dehydration, and once because our health services wasn't really sure how to handle me (my blood sugar was normal, but I had ketones, and no one was really sure what was going on.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:34:50 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
wish there was one here in Pa I never went to camp..Love to help others I have two kids since I had d went to college and work full time...The sky is the limit oh yea and scuba dive:-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:34:53 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Heidyn, can also contact the D Camping Assoc via dcazula@juno.com

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:35:06 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Dee, are you getting any helpful ideas here?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:35:55 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
There are at least a couple camps in PA, Jen... I know someone from Setebaid, which is in the north, I believe

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:36:16 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
So, last year was *really* bad. I didn't want to be at Wellesley, I didn't want to work, and I just was miserable... But, this year is much better. I love this school and don't want to leave, I'm doing pretty well, academically (three As last semester), and I'm waiting to hear from grad. schools... Choir is good, chamber music is good, and I'm blissfully out of the loop when it comes to yearbook.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:36:19 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
Amy, when my oldest son had cancer, I felt the way you do. It just isn't fair that some people have to do everything and others get a "free" ride! I used to want to say"Stop the world, I want to get off!" Unfortunately, we have to do some things whether we want to or not. It would sure be a lot easier if we didn't have to worry about bg!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:36:27 Eastern US
karen (pa) (cameron 13) from 63.93.153.74
hi all, jen are you wishing there were camps in PA? because there are

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:36:39 Eastern US
Maryann (michigan) (Jill 16, dx'd @11, pumping) from 63.23.175.17
Amy, do you think maybe you could feel better if you learned more about diabetes.. I mean up to date info.. That would put you in more control of your destiny? I hate to see a person sick so much and hope Jill never has to go through that. She has never laid in a hospital bed in all this nearly 5 yrs.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:37:06 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, you're in a pretty high-pressure academic situation, too.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:37:23 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
Not a lot! How do you get kids to stop teasing others because they are different?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:37:24 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
hmmmmm mini vacations never heard of them..thanks Judith.. I probably couldn't really get off work to go there then I also have my own kids to tend to

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:38:27 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Dee, have you tried to help him make some friends? Perhaps he could invite a kid over to do something special? Maybe there's a new kid, or one that also is having trouble fitting in.....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:38:28 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
Dee I have coworkers that tease me It doesn't stop you need to focous on how to handle those situations

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:38:35 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I really don't consider Wellesley (affectionately referred to as Swellesley or Hellesley, depending on the day) too stressful.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:38:40 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
I think the teasing is the biggest part of Michael's feelings

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:38:53 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
that's a tough one Dee..especially when the teacher isn't supportive...sometimes even having one friend who will stand by Michael can make a difference

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:39:16 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Dee, I don't really have any good advice. One kid made rude comments to Marissa a couple of years ago, but he's such a loser. She was upset a little, then got over it.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:39:16 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Dee, I wish I had a good answer. Encouraging Michael to speak to the teasers directly might be sart, but that'll be tough for most adults, much less a kid.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:39:26 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
a lot of times it is because they do not understand the disease so we help them learn then it stops :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:39:43 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Where's Wellesley? The older I get, the more I forget!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:39:58 Eastern US
Maryann (michigan) (Jill 16, dx'd @11, pumping) from 63.23.175.17
have you for instance read any of the new info about the research going on? It may be a breath of hope. plus have you a dr you LIKE, or ever been offered trying a continuous glucose monitor. I know all this sounds more diabetes pressure, but it may in the long run give you some feeling of less a victim of circumstance

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:40:00 Eastern US
Kim W. (Mom of ryan, 10 dx'd 1/01 and 3 kids) from 137.49.60.44
Hello to all

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:40:01 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Do the kids in Michael's class really understand diabetes? Kids can be cruel, but sometimes it's because they don't understand and are scared. Maybe you could talk with the teacher and arrange to come in and show the class the video "It's Time to Learn About Diabetes". Michael could demo testing, explain his pump.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:40:14 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
What gets frustrating, though, is the reactions from my parents when I do get sick. No one blamed them when I got sick when I was little -- I had some pretty bad hypos and DKA problems -- yet suddenly it's *my* fault. (With the exception of last semester -- it was determined that my BC pill was throwing things off -- and last week...)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:40:30 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Kim. How have Ryan's classmates reacted to his diagnosis?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:41:18 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
Unfortunately, I work two jobs which precludes him having anyone over. Michael has joined scouts-which helped some- and is active in basketball and baseball, but the "friends" he makes while playing won't have anything to do with him at school. Peer pressure I think.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:41:21 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Amy, at what age did you start being your primary diabetes care giver?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:41:39 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I've done a fairly substantial amount of research -- I did a term paper on diabetes last semester -- and my endo. is usually great. (With the exception of last week's incident. But everyone can mess up once in a while. And he felt guilty because i missed my seminar.) Wellesley, btw, is about 12 miles or so (my old dorm was the half way mark for the marathon) from Boston.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:42:03 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Amy, the continous glucose monitor sounds like a really good idea. Possibly much of the yuck feelings are related to the BG levels.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:42:19 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, getting blamed for getting sick? That's terrible. Do you feel like you have a good plan with your doc so that you can avoid more of this rollercoaster?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:42:25 Eastern US
Kim W. (Mom of ryan, 10 dx'd 1/01 and 3 kids) from 137.49.60.44
From what I have been told, they were very worried when he was in hospital. At dx he also had pnuemonia, strep throat, and Stomach flu. now that he's back they are glad

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:42:35 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
That IS rough, Amy. I know that many numbers can not be explained, that nearly 100 things affect bg, and yet when Dave is high, I find my first thought is "What did he get into?" (Of course here that's probably a good guess!)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:42:37 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
Dee when I was a kid at one point I actually stopped telling them I had d so I could feel normal But I have just recently learned i need to open up and let others in especially on How Ifeel

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:42:42 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Hmm. I started doing my own shots when I was 5, and I started determining my own insulin -- with some guidance from my parents -- when I was 13 or so. I've been completely primary since 14.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:43:17 Eastern US
Maryann (michigan) (Jill 16, dx'd @11, pumping) from 63.23.175.17
good question Brenda! I think you hit the nail on the head

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:43:26 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Right now I'm checking in with my endo. at least once a week, and the director of health services runs interference on a need be basis.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:43:43 Eastern US
Kim W. (Mom of ryan, 10 dx'd 1/01 and 3 kids) from 137.49.60.44
he is one of those kids who is friends with eveyone. I think that they like that he brings "cool" snacks. Jello jigglers, fruit, veggies for parties and thier social.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:43:48 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
Last year, Michael had a wonderful teacher who did an entire unit on the pancreas. He took his video about diabetes and showed his pump. It helped a lot. But this year, the kids seem to have forgotten and now are right back to teasing him.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:43:52 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
Amy,parents sometimes expect you to be "perfect" as you become an adult-to become better at the diabetes thing,this happened with mine too but I just do the best I can and tell them that(even if I still feel guilty for making mistakes)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:43:59 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
Amy - give yourself a BIG pat on the back by the way for coming to this chat...although you didn't take your insulin & say you've "had it" with diabetes, you still signed on here, which to me means you do care & just needed some TLC to get you over the rough spot tonight...smart move...hope we're helping

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:44:25 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
I was 7 when dx and started with supervision shots then right from the start

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:44:35 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I used to be the diabetes "poster child" for our school. Most of the classes read this book called "Where's Buddy" or something like that, and I'd go around with my monitor and glucagon and all that to show people how it worked.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:44:38 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
That IS a cruel age, Dee..... Are there any kids in the neighborhood?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:44:55 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Dee, Hmm! Sounds like its time for another unit on the pancreas! So glad to hear that was helpful.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:45:15 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
I think part of the problem may be that Michael gets to have "snacks" and they don't and maybe they are a little jealous. That donesn't help Michael when the shun him.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:45:38 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Thank you, Renee. Great point!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:45:49 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Dee, you mentioned another child with cancer.... What was the outcome there? Do you think that could be weighing on Michael?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:46:13 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
The teasing was bad, and still is, to some degree. The people in choir are pretty good (we go on tour frequently, so people see me test), but I've had some professors who are less than kind (one told me to "reevaluate my priorities" after I was in the hospital and threatened to kick me out of her class), and some students are absolutely horrid... It was much worse in junior high, though.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:46:23 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
I remember the sncak thing I ate in the teachers lounge and got called teacher's pet... i do remember that

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:46:48 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
I think that's part of the problem. While I "encourage" Marissa to do her own Bg checks, infusion sets, determination of insulin, I still try to control a lot of these things. Maybe I should let go.... Anyway, I don't know how I will let her go away to college. If there's still no cure in 5 years, I will be calling her constantly to check on her. Were you parents more like me or distant?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:46:56 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, sometimes people burnout on diabetes because their expectations are so darned high (or the expectations of their parents, etc). So they end up eeventually getting disappointed, etc. Might this fit any part of what you're going through/

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:47:01 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
sncak==snack

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:47:12 Eastern US
Maryann (michigan) (Jill 16, dx'd @11, pumping) from 63.23.175.17
I hope Jill never has to go it alone with diabetes!! I hope she always has me or a husband or close friend to give her mini breaks in doing some of the routine and worry

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:47:13 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
There are two boys close to Michael's age in the neighborhood. They are friend at home, but at school, they ignore or tease him right along with the others!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:47:24 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Is there anyway that all students in the class could be getting snacks? The entire time that I was in elementary school, our entire class had a snack when I was supposed to have one. It worked out really well, and nobody noticed a difference...

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:47:44 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
But the research shows that kids who assume too much responsibility too soon are the ones who are most likely to burn out as teens/young adults...

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:47:52 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
Amy - my daughter has also been a "poster child" & she'll be off to college in the fall & I wonder about how she'll make that transition too...my friend's daughter's A1C went from a 6.8 to an 8.8 in her first semester at Cornell...she said it's very different from having had everyone she grew up with just "know"..and since she's not playing sports or driving, she checks much less & hence corrects bgs much less....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:48:17 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Expectations? What expectations? (Excluding grad. school, Latin honors, and trying to maintain a perfect A1C, of course.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:48:28 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Time for a talk with the principal, Dee. Tell her what you've told us....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:48:37 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
Kenneth died with cancer at age 10 before Michael was born. Michael never knew his brother so I doubt that has had very much influence on him.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:49:07 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
(sorry if sarcasm didn't come across well... It's been one of those days...)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:49:09 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Dee, sorry for your earlier loss.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:49:10 Eastern US
Heidyn (19-Insurance approved the insulin pump today!(can't resist mentioning)) from 164.106.22.57
goodnight everyone,have a great chat and if you want to talk about anything amy my email is hvogn@yahoo.com and I don't consider anything complaining!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:49:18 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Perfect a1c, etc? So, Amy, perhaps you know what I'm talking about!?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:49:25 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
So sorry, Dee. You have had much too much to deal with in life.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:49:45 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
bye Heidyn good luck when you start pumping!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:49:55 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
I discussed snacks for everyone with the teacher, but was told that I would have to provide them. I can't afford it!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:49:55 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Bye, Heidyn. Thanks so much for being here!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:50:18 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Bye Heidyn. Contact Zula re: working a camp. Come to Happy Hollow in Indiana!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:50:46 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
amy when I was in college it was easier to get a good grade on my exam than it was to get a good blood sugar number :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:50:53 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Dee, you've been trying so much. I want us to all come over to the school and help!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:51:28 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Why couldn't the teacher send home a note saying there will be a snack time each day...and any kid who wants/needs to eat then can bring something? That works at many schools.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:51:42 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I think I do. But, the thing is, that I always did it. Up until sophomore year, my A1c was *always* below 8, and in high school my grades were really good (ranked 3 of 266). (Grades probably don't play a factor here, but it's kind of part of the whole picture, in my mind.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:52:12 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Most teachers we've had who tried that specified "healthful" snack....fruit, etc. No cokes or candy.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:52:22 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Great idea, Judith!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:52:30 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
Dee, shannon's teacher set up a morning snack time at the same time as shannon snack time, and all the kids can bring in their own snacks. As long as its a healthy one.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:52:31 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
:) Yes, good grades are much easier. I wish my transcript was representative of everything else. Not my GRE scores, though.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:52:38 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
great suggestion Judith!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:52:52 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Sounds like you are a prefectionistic, Amy. That's a tough situation for someone with diabetes, since it does NOT play by the rules.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:53:09 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
yes amy but i am now 33 and I found when I was in my 20's my body had more changes than i could keep up with so == frustration

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:53:32 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, is your endo-- by nay chance-- at Joslin? (I used to be the psychologist there for many years)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:53:54 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
I meant, any chance?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:54:03 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
LOL I think I meant "perfectionist"!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:54:10 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
HI. I've just been listening in. I'm trying to show Erica how interesting it is to be in one of these chat rooms. The topic is so relative.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:54:22 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
(Should wear my glasses to type!)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:54:25 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
No, he's based out of Natick or Framingham, somewhere in that area. He's wonderful, but I don't think he completely realizes what is going on.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:54:54 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Welcome, Laureen. How do Erica's classmates treat her?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:54:55 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
sometimes i think i need the extra support like yours Bill but this town area I live in don't even have their own endo yikes!! so support for me is via internet

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:55:24 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
My dean's fairly intuitive, though. I met with her a few times last semester about stress... Classic comment: "Wellesley doesn't try to kill students. It doesn't look good on our record."

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:56:09 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, if you feel you can do it, perhaps its time for a real heart-to-heart with your doc. Setting a realistic goal for your diabetes care, the pressure you feel under, etc. Make him work for his money! After all, from what you've said, he sounds like a decent guy.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:56:10 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
Good evening everyone!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:56:15 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
Some are caring and concerned an like to tell her what she can and can't eat. Others don't care at all about her situation. They are very self-absorbed.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:56:23 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
That's another BIG issue - where to find good counseling. Very few who understand the special issues involved in living with diabetes.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:56:30 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Steve.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:56:59 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
jen, thank goodness for the internet. and your pumping and there isn't even an endo around? I'm impressed. good for you.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:57:03 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I just got an email from my best friend... Told her what I was doing. Response: "I love you, and I'll check in when my monitor actually works."

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:57:13 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa, 18, dx'd at 9, pump 5 yrs) from 205.188.200.148
Amy - good luck & "stop by" anytime...the chat room is always open & there's often someone here to "listen"...I've learned so much from connecting with other parents...time to "share" the AOL with Melissa so good night everyone...thanks for a "topical" topic for all of us!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:57:36 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
hi steve.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:57:40 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Great that you have a supportive friend, Amy.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:57:47 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
I will try suggesting that to the teacher. Thanks!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:58:01 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
closet is 1 and 1/2 hours away did a lot of driving to get this wonderful pump all worth it. and now the phone is my life line to them

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:58:06 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Night, Renee. Thanks for your input.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:58:07 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
That's why I haven't gone for counseling at Stone Center (our counseling center). I somehow get the feeling that someone who hasn't dealt with this and that there isn't a way to really understand it without dealing with it. (That probably sounds really convoluted...)

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:58:10 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
thanks for being here, renee!

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:59:16 Eastern US
Kelly (Marley almost 3, dx'd 11m, pumping @ 19m) from 152.163.205.11
Hello everyone! What a great topic, I was just telling Marley's CDE yesterday how frustrated and "burnt out" I've been feeling these past few weeks.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:59:30 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, there is a fine counselor at Joslin, one who has diabetes himself. His name is Paul M.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:59:36 Eastern US
DEE (Mother of Michael, 10) from 207.13.33.75
I have to go. Michael is feeling neglected because this is one of my few nights home and I've spent the entire time on the computer. Thanks for your help.

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:59:40 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, if you can afford it, go and see John zriebec at Joslin. He is an old friend, a great therpist, and he knows A LOT about the emotional ide of diabetes....

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:59:50 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Kelly. Did she have some suggestions for you?

Tue Feb 27 2001 21:59:58 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
hi kelly.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:00:13 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
good luck, dee!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:00:16 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
bye Dee take care

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:00:20 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
LOL Now you've heard of TWO great counselors nearby.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:00:47 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Yes, but wouldn't that have to go on my insurance, with my parents then finding out? (Wellesley said that they'd provide transpo, if I needed it, but I'm sure that they won't fund it. Especially with free counseling at school.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:00:53 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Judith, I don't think Paul sees patients anymore. If he still did, he sure would be a great choice!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:00:58 Eastern US
Kelly (Marley almost 3, dx'd 11m, pumping @ 19m) from 152.163.205.11
She thinks I am being to hard on myself.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:01:14 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Oops. Guess I'll have to quit referring to him then.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:01:30 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
I've been noticing more and more people at my dr's that are actually diabetics....A lot of them seem to be students that are training to become Dr's.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:02:11 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
How would your parents react to your needing help, Amy?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:02:35 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
HEllo

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:02:43 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, maybe you could give John zriebec a call (or check out his chat room on the Joslin website). He may some other solutions for you that might work in your immediate area, or even at the Stone Center!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:02:53 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
hi Linda

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:03:09 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
hi linda

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:03:40 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Bill- do you have the address for that ?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:03:51 Eastern US
Jackie (Steven, 6, dx 5/2000) from 208.165.39.171
Hello, everyone

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:03:57 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
Do you find that children with D get sick more often?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:04:00 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I think my father would understand, but would dwell on it too much and overreact (emotionally, I mean). He'd be very supportive, though, I think. My mother is a completely different picture. She sees diabetes as part of my whole picture, and something that shouldn't be hard to deal with, emotionally. She believes that a good night's sleep (and I've been sleeping 9 hours a night) will solve everything, and that bucking it up is the only solution... And since she's the one who files the insurance statements...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:04:23 Eastern US
Mary, Kira's mom (She's 3) from 216.170.34.24
Ha! I'll bet now that I have actually found one of these rooms, the chat is about over huh? By the way, hello everyone.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:04:42 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
amy I wish we lived close by

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:05:00 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I will check out the chat room; I tend to think more clearly when typing (must be part of being an English major).

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:05:05 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Kathryn, I don't remember-- I think its www.joslin.org. But i'm not sure, check through a search engine. It is a very cool chat site there!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:05:18 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Jackie and Mary....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:05:24 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
hi mary!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:06:02 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I think it is www.joslin.org. (I was contemplating looking for a new endo. after last week's incident...)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:06:07 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy-- boy, would I love to chat with your mom!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:06:25 Eastern US
Jackie (Steven, 6, dx 5/2000) from 208.165.39.171
Gosh, Amy - your parents sound like my husband and myself. It helps me to see the "child's" perspective.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:06:39 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Linda.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:07:04 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Boy, Jackie I'm glad you're here.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:07:13 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
God. My mother would kill me if she knew I was chatting about this in a quasi-public forum.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:07:26 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
Bill How do i get people to understand that just because d isn't a visible disease that it can be tiring on a day to day basis..I am not sure how to get my immediate family to understand this..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:07:41 Eastern US
Jackie (Steven, 6, dx 5/2000) from 208.165.39.171
Is it that obvious that I need help, Bill? LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:08:39 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
Jen : I would love to know the answer to that myself

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:08:48 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Jen-- 1. tell them; 2. take them to a diabetes support group; 3. make them read my book (Diabetes Burnout)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:08:53 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, must have been rough for you, with your mom's expectations.....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:09:18 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
Bill, is the book available anywhere online?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:09:23 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
steve you mean you feel that way too?? I though it was just me "exaggerating" my disease????

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:09:32 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
Jen, that's kind of what I was wondering about. Erica gets sick alot, but I think she is really tired, emotionally and physically. Do you find that happening to you?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:09:38 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 15 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
evening all - just dropped in myself - bill, let me attest to the value of your book - bought it after your last visit here - and it is excellent

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:09:51 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
steve-- at amazon.com, barnes an noble, or even directly through ADA (the publisher)...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:09:57 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I had the same question. It's a little late to think about it now, but how do I let profs. know what is going on, without seeming like it's taking over my life? People that know me really well -- my adviser, chamber music coach, and piano teacher -- understand, but some times I just don't want to even approach it.. Like last week, for example. I was so tired on Thursday, but still went to my class because I didn't know how to explain what had been going on...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:10:09 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Bring them to the chat, Jen. We'll tell 'em! LOL
Seriously, had a visitor the other day who was aghast that a relative was letting a child with d eat sugar (gasp!!) We all set her straight....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:10:35 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
My mom *means* well and we're really close. Don't get me wrong; we have a great relationship.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:10:38 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Why thank you Steve!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:10:46 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
I do tell them, no support group local I thought of starting one but mom of 2 teens I work full time too tired to do that and three I want your book..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:11:41 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, have you ever really told her how you feel? That you CAN'T just "buck up" always?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:11:42 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
I usually let Erica stay home because I can tell she really doesn't feel well, but there are also times when I tell her to try to get herself to go to school. Then I realize I have no idea how she is truly feeling.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:11:47 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
After 8 years shots, I went on the pump....It's helped but the D is still in the diabetes, if you know what I mean....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:12:13 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
itsfunny, i wrote my book for folks with diabetes. To my surprise, I've been getting lots of letters from loved ones saying-- I had no idea this disease was so tough".

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:12:19 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 15 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
And Amy - we're basically neighbors - we're about 10 miles west of wellesley -

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:12:25 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Maybe when I'm completely independent and don't have to worry about the after-effects.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:12:44 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
I'm back

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:12:51 Eastern US
Steve (Allie - 15 - dx 6/97 pump 12/99) from 24.216.218.10
Other Steve.....my daughter is also in the 9th grade

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:13:04 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
Thank you Bill, I will look for it @ Amazon tonite. I'm sure it's great.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:13:20 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Knew you couldn't stay away, Kevin :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:13:27 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
laureen yes I do get tired both emotionally and physically dont get me wrong I dont feel like this always but I think I am coming down off my high of being a new pumper as I feel tired again

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:13:54 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
Oh really? We need to get a teen forum going one night....I've never realy talked in the teen rooms

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:13:54 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
By the way, if you're diabetes is wearing you down, don't settle for that! It may be common, but... talk to your doc about a new plan for getting your BG's evened out so that you don't have to feel this way so much of the time!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:14:13 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Pump honeymoon is ending?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:14:58 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
I think Erica is tired of the pump. She loves the freedom, but hates the site changing. she's had D for about 18 months.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:01 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
So, I'm not crazy for being burnt out?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:22 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
Is Diabetic burn out directly related to how tight one has been forced to control his or her D in the past? Are children who have more freedom less likly to have burn out?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:23 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Laureen, it must be tough for Erica. How do you help to keep her sane?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:28 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Kim was tired of the pump after a few months too but she was also tired of shots...just tired of the day in and day out routine

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:40 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
You sound very very normal to me, Amy.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:50 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
my endo says to hang in there as my numbers were awful I can say that they were but it takes time I understand to recover from that amy after 26 years of d i try very hard to be independent but when i needed my support the most my family didnt know what todo for me ..I was tooo independent.. Is that is judith pump honeymoon??

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:54 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Have to go

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:57 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
Linda, you have just said it all.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:16:59 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, you are DEFINITELY not crazy for feeling burned out. I promise-- you are very normal!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:17:08 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
If anyone has read the poem in the "Max the Minimed Moose" Beanie Baby, I would love to read it to everyone :
All of Us have hopes and Dreamsm
And Although it sometimes seems,
Like it's hard to make them real,
It's all about the way you feel
As Max Says --
And He's got the knack,
"don't let diabetes Hold you back!"

I think it's cute and quite upliting

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:17:57 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Good day, Kathryn.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:18:17 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand; T2 7mo; husband T2 2yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Whoops- where do i get this Max ???

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:18:22 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Good questions, Kevin. Though they are tough to answer. Certianly if you've been very restrained by diabetes in your life, its easier to start feeling fed up-- at least eventually!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:18:25 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
thanks steve thats nice :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:18:38 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
I had to get the complimentary beanie baby with the insulin pump lol

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:18:56 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
bye, kathryn. Best of luck!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:19:05 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I mentioned this to my old roommate -- who was there when I first went into DKA the night before opening night of a musical, and literally dragged me over to health services -- and she looked at me with "the look".

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:19:16 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Maybe if you buy a Minimed pump, Kathryn... Come to think of it, we didn't get one!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:19:27 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
If you email minimed I think they're willing to send one to you -- He's stares at me from the monitor :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:19:47 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
Bill, I don't know if I do keep her sane. She's very hormonal and emotional. I try to be very sympathetic to what she's going through. But it's so exausting sometimes.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:19:50 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Alla didn't get one either...and we bought it from Minimed! Directly

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:19:53 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
Honestly, (go figure) Ellen got it for me :-) she's the best

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:20:03 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
the minimed moose? Thanks, Steve!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:20:17 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
I think they send them on request (?)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:20:28 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
I have a stuffed Pancreas on my monitor

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:20:36 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
Yup, Max the Minimed Moose :-) Cute little guy

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:20:45 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
laureen it is exhausting at times lol i know that feeling

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:20:55 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Boy, we need to of the mooses (is that the correct plural?) here!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:21:01 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Don't know if they'd mail one to NZ :-( but worth a try.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:21:05 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Laureen, being sympathetic sounds good to me. And as any parent here will tell you, feeling exhausted by all this is pretty normal.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:21:23 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Meese, I think....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:21:55 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
I'm going to have leave in a few more minutes. I'm wondering if there are any pressing questions for me?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:22:04 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
So...what can people with d do to combat burnout? What can parents do? (Buy the book?? LOL)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:22:09 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
This sounds so bizarre -- and I don't mean to distract from the beanie babies discussion -- but I think part of me is thinking (probably not the rational part) that if I skip my shots long enough, I'll get sick and then someone else will have to deal with it for a while. I know that it's stupid and unreasonable, and that I'll end up feeling miserable, but for some reason it just makes a lot of sense right now.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:22:19 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
Judith told me last week that this age (12) is very tough. That helped to hear that Judith.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:22:36 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Its dinner time here on the West coast!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:22:47 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
I thought moose is moose, like sheep is sheep. Got me, my English is as good as my spanish :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:23:06 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Is there anything that I can do to pull myself out of this?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:23:20 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
Bill thank you for your advise earlier I appreciate your time I will try to get the book

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:23:47 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Keep telling yourself that it WILL get better, Laureen. May take a few years....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:23:53 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Amy, you're fed up and you want some help. Cutting insulin-- as you've noted-- is one way to get it. but call John first (or check the
website)-- please!!!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:23:56 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
Amy, sometimes I feel the same way. That I just want Erica to be back in the hospital for a couple of days where they can get her back on track. It seems very normal to want it to be someone else's problem.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:23:57 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
I'm going to go now and see if I can find that book on Amazon. Good luck everyone!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:24:06 Eastern US
Stacie from 64.12.102.33
Hi Everyone...Minimed sells the Moose on their website for $6.95.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:24:50 Eastern US
jen{PA} (pumping 10/00) from 12.4.134.146
amy getting away with no insulin will haunt you later. sorry no lecture I just care:-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:24:53 Eastern US
Steve (pumping 2 1/2 yrs...9th grade) from 64.252.206.103
Ahhh....Thank you Stacie!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:25:09 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Judith, how to overcome burnout? Get support from others, make sure you have a clear goal with your diabetes and that your expectations are reasonable (don't do this alone, find a good health care provider to help), and so much more....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:25:22 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Bill, on behalf of the web site, thanks for joining us tonight. I've been here, but dealing with other stuff. I may not feel D. burnout right now, but "parents burnout" if there is such a thing--my kids are driving me nuts!! LOL BYE

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:25:41 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Sounds like a pretty desperate way to get help, Amy. How about trying Joslin, letting them help you deal with your mother afterwards?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:25:42 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
bye, Steve!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:25:53 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Thank you for giving me a place to vent; for the first time in a few weeks, I've finally had a good sob.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:25:56 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
Amy ... my nine year old daughter was just diagnosed ... we're doing fine .. but I'm already worried about her during the upcoming high school and college years ... the pressures and emotions ..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:26:25 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
Thanks, Brenda. I always feel so privileged to be here.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:27:04 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13-dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
Amy--please check in the parents room as often as you want and they will help you as much as they can. None of us want to see you back in the hospital.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:27:06 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, please come to the chat often. You'll usually find someone in the Parent room.....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:27:16 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Laureen, finally got the pump we thought it would be almost like not having D...but D is still there...it's not the magic cure, just a better way to take insulin...more freedoms etc

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:27:30 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Sean. This will adjourn to the Parent room shortly. Thanks, Bill....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:27:58 Eastern US
Bill Polonsky (Chat host, psychologist, author of ) from 24.0.36.28
And thanks to Judith! And to all of you. I wish you all the best of luck, and thanks for sharing with each other. This is the best way I know to begin overcoming burnout. so keep up the good work. And Amy, i'm going to check with john Z tomorrow and tell him to expect to hear from you! Good luck!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:28:01 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
amy we just have to keep fighting to better our lives because in the long run there is a lot to live for we are treatable even though it is frustrating as i will be the first to say

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:28:11 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
I can't even imagine Erica going off to college. Although we talk about it all the time, in the back of my mind I'm terrified of her leaving.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:28:47 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
My mother was terrified of me living in a single, which I've been doing for the past two years...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:29:07 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Sean, truly take one day at a time. Don't drive yourself crazy worrying about the teen years yet.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:29:39 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
I understand ... I feel this will all be OK as long as I'm around to fight for Hilary ... her leaving ... so far off, now ... scares me most

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:29:43 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
wait ubtil your daughters say mom I am going to have a baby!!! My mom freaked out. but i have two healthy teens now lol parents

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:29:55 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
Amy, you should be truly proud of what you've accomplished.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:30:02 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
You know, Judith ... you're right

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:30:15 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Goodnight, Bill. Thanks again.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:30:30 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
sean you are a team with Hilary go from that I know from experience

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:30:59 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
Diabetes or no diabetes ... "dad, I'm going to have a baby ..." is scary ...lol

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:31:49 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
*I* can't even imagine having a kid at this point... I can barely handle a goldfish, much less a child.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:31:53 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
LOL Sean! You're right!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:32:21 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
hello

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:32:22 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
sean i did college , married ,,,,children...and work full time so it is possible with parents support

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:32:28 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:32:32 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Goldfish are a good start, Amy :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:32:36 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:32:56 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Debbie. You've been dealing with d a long time.....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:33:02 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Hmmm, I don't think I'm ready for children either! Who wants them? LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:33:05 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
oh yes two dogs cat and i fish :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:33:11 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I have a plant. Does that count? (Bernadette has gotten very large over the past four years... All first-year students get a free plant from the greenhouse.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:33:34 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
LOL Linda! Not that easy, I'm afraid!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:33:45 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
Hmmm Linda teen girls I have teen boys which are more challenging??

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:33:57 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
My wife pointed to your post, Jen ... Hilary was just diagnosed in January ... we're still so in the dark about the future ... thanks .. thanks ..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:34:01 Eastern US
laureen (CA) (Erica dx'd at 10, pumping since May) from 64.12.103.181
I had better get going. Good night.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:34:14 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
If you've kept a plant alive at college for 4 yrs, Amy, you have great maternal skills...or at least a big green thumb.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:34:45 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
see amy you are one up on me I kill plants Lol:-( I am glad to help sean and MRS.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:35:00 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
What was that advice in the Julia Roberts/drug rehab movie..."get a plant and if it lives a year then get a pet. If the pet is still alive after a year then maybe a relationship...:"

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:35:26 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Gee, guess I'm not ready for a relationship!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:35:34 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Neither is easier! Both sexes have their own special challenges

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:35:50 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
LOL Me neither Judith...so now what do I do?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:37:10 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
I have to go everyone as work comes early here..It is late in Pa take care Sean and Mrs sean hope to tal with you in parents room sometime bye all :-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:37:12 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I think Bernadette was a fluke; I've managed to kill a basil plant and another plant (although I'm blaming that one on my first-year roommate. I left for the weekend with Roja in good condition, and when I came back she was dead.)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:37:20 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Guess we have to dump the "relationships" as well as the kids!! Hey, Amy...what's your address??? LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:37:36 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Night, Jen. Take care....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:38:16 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hmm. Amy has actually already told us where she is.... Watch your mailbox, Amy! LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:38:20 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
goodnight, Jen ... thanks ..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:38:20 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I could use a relationship. No kids, though.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:38:47 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Ah, but I have to sign for big things. No shipping children; my room's not that big.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:39:15 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Linda has kids old enough for you... My unattached ones are a bit young.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:39:52 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
You named your plants!?! I'm impressed...mine don't have names and are lucky to get water

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:39:58 Eastern US
jen from 12.4.134.146
aww amy I was going to send you my boys for a while lol

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:40:06 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
tell me--- am i missin somethin on my browser, or does this chat room not list the participants?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:40:43 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Doesn't list the participants, Debbie. It's possible to "lurk" here, too.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:41:08 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Yep. All of the plants have -- or had -- names at one point. I had this beautiful fern that was named Charlotte until my mother accidentally froze it in her school library. This is the woman who has managed to kill chives...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:41:20 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Oh, maybe that's why I have silk plants now...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:41:20 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Kids don't take up much room (It's just all their junk!)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:41:24 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
that's kinda odd.. but i'm glad that it's not my browser lol

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:41:42 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
LOL Amy

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:41:46 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
have any of ya's ever gone to a diabetes summer camp?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:42:16 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I empathize with the junk thing. I brought so much stuff to school. I don't know how I'm getting it home in June.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:42:22 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
I had a fern named "Fern"..... She was nearly destroyed several times: by frost, by a cat in the basement....but she is making a comeback this winter.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:42:46 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
Yep; worst camping experience I've ever had. Liked music camp much better... Only camper with permission to keep a fridge in her room.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:42:47 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Yes, Debbie, for 9 yrs, and going again this summer. I work as medical staff

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:42:50 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Our girls have done camp here...just found out that a group is trying to get a camp down where we are this summer

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:43:23 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Did you go to camp, Debbie? If so, where?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:43:38 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
My father was not to happy about bringing Charlotte home; a senior gave her to me first-year, and she was virtually a tree... I still don't know how dad could see out the back window.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:43:44 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Thought you were sending them to IN, Linda? LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:44:01 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
i'm lookin to find a listing of ppl who went to camp lion's den, in missouri.. in the years that i attended...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:44:20 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
I don't have any money now Judith!!! Weddings are expensive!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:45:15 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Debbie, best bet would be to contact the exec director of the international D Camping Assoc. Email dcazula@juno.com Tell her Judy from IN sent you.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:45:38 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Was that in the St Louis area, Debbie? At Camp Wyman?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:45:54 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
oh wow, thanks Judith, i really really appreciate the help

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:45:55 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Tell Heidi to elope.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:45:59 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
Here's a question ... can a dad be 'too involved' with the management ... that is, how and when is 'self reliance' critical ....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:46:33 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Zula may know someone from that camp. She's been involved in d camping for many years, at Seale Harris in AL.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:47:11 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
and hmmm i'm not sure exactly where in missouri it was, i do live 80 miles south of StL and i know it wasnt all that far away from StL itself, i'm thinkin it was Potosi, MO

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:47:15 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Sean, a parent CAN become over-involved. But at 9 Hilary still needs lots of help with her d and will for years to come.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:47:36 Eastern US
Chris (Sara 20mo.) from 148.74.251.191
ello.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:47:45 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
there was another camp that i attended, called Camp EDI.. exercise, diet, insulin..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:47:50 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Most important thing is to realize that no matter how hard all of you try, her numbers will NOT be "normal" for very long at a time. That's the nature of diabetes.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:48:25 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
hello there chris

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:48:27 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Debbie, you are near Jackson? My ancestors were from there, and I grew up in suburban St Louis

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:48:42 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
EDI was at Wyman, in Eureka.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:48:49 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
LOL Good Idea...she's just now ordering the invitations...and the wedding is 5 weeks away!!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:48:51 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
"not normal for very long" ... meaning things change? so far, we're dead on target ...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:48:54 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hey Chris.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:49:11 Eastern US
Chris (Sara 20mo.) from 148.74.251.191
whad I miss?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:49:29 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Sean, that is VERY temporary. She must be in the honeymoon stage, still making some insulin. That will soon end.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:49:41 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
yeah, jackson mo is like 25 miles south of me!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:49:56 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
we were afraid of that ,,,,

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:50:12 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
I think I'm going to go do something that resembles productivity... At least my listening homework is done (I'm taking a music history class), but I have to read the first volume of a novel for my seminar tomorrow... And seeing how I missed it last week...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:50:14 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Missed a chat about burnout, Chris. Can read the transcript tomorrow. Find it via the chat sign-in page.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:50:29 Eastern US
Amy (College student, 21, dx'd at 3) from 149.130.219.34
But, thanks for the vent session...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:50:47 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
and OH, thanks ohhh so much judith.. for the wyman/eureka thing.. lol geez, i was only like 9 or 11 lol --like 20 plus yrs ago..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:51:17 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amy, SO glad you came to the chat tonight! Please follow up on Bill's suggestions. Please come back to the Parent chat often. We care about you.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:51:21 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
Good luck, Amy ... take care and thanks ... and stop naming plants ...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:51:51 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hey, I went to Camp Wyman (6th grade camp) MANY MANY years before that!!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:51:55 Eastern US
Chris (Father of Sara 20mo.) from 148.74.251.190
everyone leaving because I came in?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:52:35 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Did you shower first, Chris? LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:52:53 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
i'm thinkin it was in like umm 1977/79 ish..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:53:04 Eastern US
Chris (Father of Sara 20mo.) from 148.74.251.190
no judith, thats why I was wondering if anyone could tell..lol.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:53:30 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
were you at wyman because of diabetes judith?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:54:06 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
Sean, I hope your Hilary is as gorgeous as our Hillary (who is 21)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:54:39 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
I was there long before that, Debbie. EDI is still in operation, as far as I know. There is a camp in Boone Co, near Columbia - Hickory Hollow. I know the ped endo who runs it. He has had d for 52 of his 62 yrs.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:54:57 Eastern US
Linda/UT (Kim 13, Alla 12) from 208.186.108.4
I do need to run, have to help with girls with their homework...see you all later

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:55:26 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
No, not for diabetes camp, just regular 6th grade camp. I was so homesick I spent much of the week in the infirmary! :-(

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:55:37 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
oh my Goshhhhhhh, you're SURELY not talkin about Abe Phillips, are ya??!!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:55:55 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
g'bye linda

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:55:56 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
Hi-- just home from work.. suppose you are about to wrap it up?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:55:59 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
See you, Linda. Have fun with the wedding plans. (Meg is doing most of hers; not much work for me, at least yet)

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:56:29 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
I trust they're both beautiful, Linda ... and in an ironic twist, I'm seeing just how beautiful she is ... as she deals with this .... with a poise and strength I couldn't imagine at nine ...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:56:34 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
No, talking about Ron James.
Hey, Marcia. Haven't gotten any 2 minute warnings in this room yet.....

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:56:41 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
oh wait.. abe didnt have d, he was the camp endo tho...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:57:09 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
We'll just adjourn to the Parent room if this one closes. The speaker, Bill Polonsky, has gone to supper.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:57:23 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
hey, does this chat room stay live even when there's not a *scheduled* chat goin on???

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:57:37 Eastern US
Chris (Father of Sara 20mo.) from 148.74.251.190
ok heres my question.. barney on weekends and sesame street thru the week, or visa versa?

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:57:49 Eastern US
Sean (Father of Hilary, diagnosed at 9) from 63.23.187.115
well, all ... this was a nice 'first night' ... I'll be back .. the more i learn, the more i want to know ... thanks ,...

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:58:27 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Where did you go for d care, Debbie? St Louis Childrens? I did my peds training there 100 yrs ago.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:58:46 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
best of all things to ya (and ESPECIALLY to Hilary) Sean!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:58:53 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
Nice to "meet" you Sean..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:59:08 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Do come again, Sean. Lots to learn....always.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:59:12 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
lol@100yrs ago.. and yes, i sure did.. now janet mcgill with wash u takes care of me.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:59:30 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
i participate in the research every single chance i get..

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:59:36 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
she is SOOOOO great.

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:59:46 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
S Street during the week.. don't know about Barney.. Steph is a bit too old now_LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 22:59:51 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
This room is only open for special chats, but there are many other rooms always open. Parents gets the most visitors, but there are folks in the type 1 and type 2 rooms too.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:00:19 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
and each summer i basically donate my bod to science and they do all these tests on me which reflect how d has affected me since the last set of tests

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:00:38 Eastern US
Chris (Father of Sara 20mo.) from 148.74.251.191
thanks Marcia..Ill try that. -- Judith got your email, can you display tif , if I convert?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:00:42 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Sesame Street is good any day of the week. I have trouble stomaching Barney.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:01:09 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
If you convert it to jpeg I can see it, but not if you send tif.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:01:17 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
Those of us with kids growing up really appreciate your contribution, Debbie.. the more they learn the better.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:01:26 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
and i'm really glad to find a chat that specializes in D.. man, i have sure looked hard.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:01:45 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
And how are you doing, Debbie?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:02:02 Eastern US
Chris (Father of Sara 20mo.) from 148.74.251.191
Judith, jpg is same as jpeg, dont understand.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:02:11 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
This is a great place, Debbie. LOTS of reliable info, great support at the chats.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:02:27 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Yes, jpeg=jpg

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:02:49 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
You said tif in your previous post, Chris. Typo?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:02:58 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
I got a question, Shannons numbers on the weekend and days she has gym class are great, but the days she dosen't have morning gym class here numbers jump to 270+ by lunch time. Any ideas of what could be done to help.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:03:25 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
i've been pretty fortunate - i've ridden the rollercoaster a LOT.. and i, well, thus far, have absolutely no damage.. dunno why i dont.. i do have another best friend who's as tightly controlled as one could be,and he's starting to see nerve damage, and eye probs... just doesnt really make any sense.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:03:57 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Nancy, does she have a morning snack? If so, could she skip it on no PE days?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:04:10 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
hey marcia.. do you have icq? i'd really like to be able to link up with some d's..

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:05:06 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
yes she does have a morning snack. I wasn't sure if i should have her skip it or cut it back, or what

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:05:36 Eastern US
Judith CPNP - Moderator (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Debbie, I've seen that a lot. It's to a large extent a crapshoot, re: complications, though odds do favor those with better control. That ped endo, who says he probably ran 500+ throughout his teen years, has a small amount of proteinuria, has had his eyes zapped once, but is otherwise fine after 52 yrs of d

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:05:55 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
270 is pretty pricey to have to overcome (with lunch to boot).. is she on lispro?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:06:46 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
If Shannon doesn't mind missing it or reducing it, that's the easier way to go. Usually less hassle to adjust food than insulin.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:06:55 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
she is on humolog but not at lunch time

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:07:29 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
oh i absolutely agree with the crapshot line judith.. and i know full well that i'm not exempt now nor ever from what may come. (just lucky thus far) lispro has been a godsend.. and so has the pump

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:08:06 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Could just send low/no carb snack....celery, carrot sticks, etc if she wants something to eat.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:08:21 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
I agree the food is much easier to adjust then the insulin

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:08:32 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
perhaps a 9am-ish bs test at the nurse's ofc would be a start.. along with cuttin the snack..

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:08:46 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
How long have you been pumping, Debbie? And I certainly agree re: lispro. Changed docs to get Dave on it soon after it came out.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:09:34 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
Steph has started track.. they are really running her.. so far bg's have been okay.. I woke up in the middle of the night worring and got up and tested her.. she also got her driver's permit today.. (scary thought)

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:09:41 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
if she's not on humalog at lunch time, how do you get her bs's to come down from 270 nancy?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:10:18 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Most docs would not want to burden a 7y/o with lunch time insulin unless absolutely necessary. Another way to go would be to add a tad of R to the morning mix on no-PE days...but that gets tricky. DO talk to your doc about all this.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:11:04 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Vanya was nearly 400 at supper; think he rebounded after track practice. He ran 4 miles, kept his pump on. Dave took his off for practice, was 140 at supper. Go figure!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:11:06 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
hi!I'm bbbaaaaaaccccckkkkkkk! How are you all?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:11:15 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
its not easy, but after lunch she has recess, and again at 3:00 which helps bring things down

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:11:46 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hey Moira! You found us! How was your trip??

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:11:48 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
Judith..summer of 99.. had absolutely HAD it with fluctuating bs's.. also my skin is just really toughening up from all the shots from all the years.. and changin to the pump was for better absorbtion

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:12:05 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
I'm not sure if Steph is leaving hers on or off for runs.. after the soccer incident last year I imagine she is being pretty cautious.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:12:25 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Nancy, do you find sometimes that exercise when she's high sends the bg up even higher? That can happen.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:12:35 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Exciting, exhausting. (the trip that is)

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:13:15 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Both boys are pumping. Dave is much too casual about it, however. Neither writes anything down, so can't do much about adjusting.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:13:18 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Nacny I wonder if her dose should go up and on gym day she should have an extra snack? that way she won't be high the other days and won't be low gym days. When lauren was in injections gym day was chocolate milk day

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:14:06 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
exercise generaly brings her down, never had it go up.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:14:21 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
That's another approach, Moira, but hate to "fix it if it ain't broke" on the gym days....

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:14:46 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Good point Judith.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:15:03 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Does Shannon ever test for ketones if she's high at school? Should not exercise if ketones are present.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:15:33 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
yes she has, and never had ketones.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:16:11 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Do you know that all my friends whose kids go to Joslin NEVER test for ketones? Dont' even buy the strips? I find that amazing . . . .

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:17:13 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
we have been having a very hard time getting her day numbers down. But we are with a new endo now and he has done a great job sofar. now we have just alittle fine adjustments to make

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:17:36 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Amazing and scary, Moira. We no longer routinely test for them every morning at camp, but do if the kid is high, or sick. Certainly need them if pumping!

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:18:10 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Might try skipping/reducing that AM snack, Nancy.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:18:29 Eastern US
Sandy (Brian, age 10, dx-d 12 23 97, Pumping...) from 63.61.246.217
Hello all...:-)

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:19:01 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
I just told a friend considering the pump that. Her daughter had had D for four years, no five, since she was one and she has never checked. Lauren does at a matter of habit at this point

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:19:09 Eastern US
Sandy (Brian, age 10, dx-d 12 23 97, Pumping...) from 63.61.246.217
Ok, I was in parents, you've got my curiosity up Judith. What in the heck is a CPNP Moderator?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:19:27 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Hi Sandy, lauren was dx just two months before your son Oct 28 97

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:19:41 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
We only check for ketones if running high or if sick..

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:19:42 Eastern US
Nancy-Mi (mom of Shannon 7, dxd 9/00) from 152.163.207.202
I'll try that, because I know that he doesn't want to add another shot. shes up to three a day now, and shes not to happy about that.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:19:53 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
hang on folks, for as ridiculous as this may sound.. i just really don't understand the relativity of ketones.. i mean if my bs's are high, then i take insulin.. and that brings it down.. is the concern moreso when bs's remain high ? ridiculous, that is, cause ive been d for 29 1/2 yrs

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:20:18 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Hi Sandy.
I was moderating the burnout chat. I am a certified pediatric nurse practitioner - CPNP

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:20:35 Eastern US
Sandy (Brian, age 10, dx-d 12 23 97, Pumping...) from 63.61.246.217
Hi Moira...that is amazingly close to Brian's date... How is pumping going? Our live is wonderful now that he is using antiperspirant spray...his sites STAY IN!!!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:20:36 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Debbie that is just what Joslin tells parents. . .

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:21:15 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Lauren has been pumping for a month and a week and it is coming along . . . just left her for three days with hubby while I was away and well, she's ALIVE anyway LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:21:32 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Sandy that must have been one merry xmas for you

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:21:33 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Debbie, ketones require extra insulin, can be present if high or low.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:21:50 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
well then.. i mean, i know when things are outta control, by my readings on my monitor.. and i fix em.. does that mean that i'm ignoring something else?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:22:09 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Sandy Lauren uses the Sil's and has had no trouble as of yet with site sticking (knock on wood)

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:22:15 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
the importance of ketones lets you know how close you are to DKA-- can be high and "okay"-- can also be not as high and spilling mod to large ketones and you need to be much more aggressive with insulin and fluids to stay out of DKA..

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:22:30 Eastern US
Sandy (Brian, age 10, dx-d 12 23 97, Pumping...) from 63.61.246.217
I thought you were an lpn Judith... do you see your own patients then in your position?

Moira, yes, Christmas...not a happy holidya for me still... you know...

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:22:37 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Debbie, much more likely to spill ketones while pumping, since you have only H in the body. Any malfunction means you are quickly without insulin.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:23:11 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Debbie it it my understanding that a high with ketones (or low) is much more "urgent" than without -- not that you don't treat a non K high, but a high with K is a real concern that needs a closer look and, as judith said, more action

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:23:33 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Marcia's explanation was excellent, as usual!

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:23:47 Eastern US
Sandy (Brian, age 10, dx-d 12 23 97, Pumping...) from 63.61.246.217
Moira, you are so lucky your child will try the sils...mine won't even consider it... :-(

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:23:55 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
yeah, what Marcia said!!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:23:59 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Sandy, I would if I were employed. I am retired.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:24:05 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
ohhhh and i've gotta *hint* for pump users.. lol.. it's kinda funny, but it was really reaasuring to me when i first got on the pump.. okay.. y'know all those DrScholls foot little paddies that are used for umm corns... well those lil circles fit EXACTLY around the site of the injection/pump thing area.. follow me?? lol it's an extra padding to protect from bumps!!!

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:24:20 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Sandy we gave her no other choice he he he and now she thinks the soft serter is "gross" LOL and she does the sils on her own

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com Tue Feb 27 2001 23:25:00 Eastern US
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Tue Feb 27 2001 23:25:03 Eastern US
Sandy (Brian, age 10, dx-d 12 23 97, Pumping...) from 63.61.246.217
Judith, I am retired too! Have been for 2 years... at age 39, Isn't life grand?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:25:11 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
Good one debbie! I'd share our sports bra one but not sure Sandy's son would like it LOL

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:25:12 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
Cool hint, Debbie. I'll remember that and pass it on.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:25:32 Eastern US
Moira (Lauren, 9, dx @ 6, pumping) from 24.48.181.11
shall we move to parents

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:25:58 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
oh noooooo it's gonna close down? now where do we go??

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:26:02 Eastern US
Sandy (Brian, age 10, dx-d 12 23 97, Pumping...) from 63.61.246.217
LOL He prefers boxers instead of sports bras!

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:26:29 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
I think Brenda or Jeff is about to turn out the lights here. See you in Parents.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:26:52 Eastern US
Debbie519 (dx'd@7, now 36) from 208.235.39.43
and btw.. the initial lil sticky goes on.. then the dr scholl's thingy, THEN the large overlay sticky.. k?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:26:53 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
The softsets were worthless for Steph.. it was a lucky stroke if they stayed in 24 hours.. and she is very tape and adhesive sensitive so we had a heck of a time finding something that worked.. wiping with an "IV Prep" and using the silhouettes have worked very well.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:27:12 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 137.118.30.32
I'm considerably past 39...but don't tell.

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:28:24 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie--17--dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.145
Debbie-- do you use this technique with the softsets?

Tue Feb 27 2001 23:29:26 Eastern US
Sandy (Brian, age 10, dx-d 12 23 97, Pumping...) from 63.61.246.217
Judith, I am now over 40 now too!! I should have figured you were not still working because you can't be on cwd and be at work at the same time... LOL...or can you?



                 
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