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Restaurant Eating: Go Ethnic!
With Hope Warshaw on October 30, 2000

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com Mon Oct 30 2000 20:30:00 Eastern US
The 'Food Matters' chat room is now open.

Mon Oct 30 2000 20:57:09 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Our special chat about "Restaurant Eating: Go Ethnic!" will begin at 9pm Eastern.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:00:16 Eastern US
Lou (Dad of Chelsey, 9, dx'd 6 months ago) from 205.188.193.177
Hello everyone. My first time here.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:01:29 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Good evening Lou. Out chat host should be here soon.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:02:11 Eastern US
Lou (Dad of Chelsey, 9, dx'd 6 months ago) from 205.188.193.177
Oh, okay. Wasn't sure if anyone else was here.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:03:05 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
I'm hanging out waiting for it to begin. How is Chelsey doing?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:03:45 Eastern US
Judith from 137.118.30.56
Hope is wandering around in other rooms....

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:03:47 Eastern US
Lou (Dad of Chelsey, 9, dx'd 6 months ago) from 205.188.193.177
Well, as I'm sure you know, it was a shock. However, she is doing pretty good.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:04:43 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Hi - I'm here. Couldn't find Food Matters room, but now I have.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:05:00 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
What is on your mind about eating ethnic?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:05:25 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Good evening Hope. Thanks for hosting our chat tonight. Without further ado, I turn it over to you.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:06:14 Eastern US
Lou (Dad of Chelsey, 9, dx'd 6 months ago) from 205.188.193.177
Where does one begin when they have to count carbohydrates?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:06:33 Eastern US
Lou (Dad of Chelsey, 9, dx'd 6 months ago) from 205.188.193.177
I'm talking about when they eat out...

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:06:38 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
What are people's favorite ethnic food? Which foods present challenges, which are easy?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:07:32 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
What's important is that you educate yourself about the carbohydrate content of foods from books, from food labels, etc. Then the more you know, the better you are at guessing carb counts.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:08:43 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
When you can, get the exact nutrition information for restaurant foods. That's easiest for fast food, pizza, fast food Mexican. It's harder for most ethnic fare.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:08:50 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
We don't eat too many "ethnic" foods, but Marissa did go through a phase of Fried Won Tons and I was at a loss about the number of carbs. Now, she might eat about 1/2 c. Beef Lo Mein, occasionally a soft taco, but that's about it unless she's with a friend's family and they are eating something I don't have at home.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:09:05 Eastern US
Lou (Dad of Chelsey, 9, dx'd 6 months ago) from 205.188.193.177
I see. Then when you are eating out, Italian for example, you estimate what a half of cup of meat sauce would be...Just an example.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:09:25 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Is anyone else but Lou signed on?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:09:50 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Hope, this is Brenda Hitchcock on Jeff's computer. I had heard that Chinese could sometimes be like pizza--the high BG's hit much later on. Is that true?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:10:24 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Yes Lou. Tell me what your daughter's and family's favorits are. I'll see if I can give you some hints.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:11:42 Eastern US
Lou (Dad of Chelsey, 9, dx'd 6 months ago) from 205.188.193.177
Well, we have tried to eat at Olive Garden for example. When ever we do, no matter how hard we try, we end up with a bedtime glucose of greater than 200. We stopped going.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:11:44 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
I think Chinese can vary Brenda and that's because Chinese can vary so much. I feel you can eat Chinese relatively low fat eating steamed rice, veggies dishes, nothing fried or you can eat a lot of fat. I must say that most of the Chinese sauce do contain some sugar.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:13:19 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Brenda what has been your experience with Chinese and what do you order?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:13:44 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
I know that the few stir fry dishes I make do contain some corn starch so I keep that in mind if Marissa eats it. She doesn't like rice or pizza, which is great for her BG's!

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:14:31 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
The only Chinese foods Marissa will eat are Beef Lo Mein or an egg roll.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:14:46 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
I assume you think the corn starch delays the rise in BG?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:16:40 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Yes, that's correct. I also make a veal dish, which is very tasty, but high in fat--cream sauce with sauteed mushrooms, that Marissa loves. I have her bolus (she has a pump) a little for this, but only because I worry about 2-4 hours later, which I assume would be the start of the slow rise in the BG's.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:18:06 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
I'm not sure I understand. Do you think the high fat dish will cause a rise later? Have you ever used the square wave bolus for a dish like this?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:20:10 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Marissa uses a Dis. pump that does not have the square wave bolus.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:21:40 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..dx@15mo..college sophmore now..pumping 16 yrs) from 24.161.8.39
Chinese food seems to be a real guessing game

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:23:00 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Why Judy - can you explain some of your experiences? What foods do you eat and what are the BG results?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:23:23 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Judy, do they serve a lot of ethnic foods in teh dorms?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:23:45 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
HI

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:24:35 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
I love middle eastern food. How much is too much?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:25:02 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Hi Susie - join in, we're discussing ethnic restaurant eating. Any experiences, any questions?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:26:01 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..dx@15mo..college sophmore now..pumping 16 yrs) from 24.161.8.39
Hope - elissa is the one with diabetes....I think part of the problem is each restaurant may prepare a dish differently

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:26:52 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
Babaganush, falafah, tehini, pita bread, chumas..

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:27:33 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..dx@15mo..college sophmore now..pumping 16 yrs) from 24.161.8.39
Elissa usually square waves

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:27:54 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
That's true. I think it is helpful if you go to similar restaurants - though not always possible. Then get to know what your favorite dishes do to your BG by monitoring frequently the first few times.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:28:33 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
I think you could find pita bread pre-packaged and use that to estimate when you eat out. I don't know anything about those other foods.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:29:06 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Susie - obviously you like Middle eastern food. Me too. A number of the items you mentioned can be quite high in fat. That means calories.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:29:09 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
How do you know when you need to use the sq. wave bolus feature?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:29:35 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Susie - do you have questions about the foods?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:30:12 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
A good on line resource to go to for nutrient analysis, and thus carb count is www.cyberdiet.com. Anyone tried it?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:31:43 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
I know that they are veggie based, but loaded with fat and carbs. I also want to eat lots of pita bread with it. Any suggestions on what I might order in a middle eastern restaurant or on what the carbs are for these foods?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:34:36 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Tabouleh (grain dish), fattoush (salad), shish kabob - are a few.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:35:19 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Susie, how often do you eat these foods? Sounds comparable to eating at McDonald's often, which we all know is NOT a good idea.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:35:31 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
Now Tabouleh is heavenly.....
Hi all

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:35:35 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Kibbeh, gyro, Lahme june (Armenian pizza) are a few more.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:35:40 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
I don't care for tabouleh. I haven't tried fattoush and I do enjoy shish kabob.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:36:47 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
I have had lahme june. My 12 year old loves it.
Jeff, I don't eat them often, but I do so enjoy them.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:37:01 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Susie - such a critical issue in restaurant eating is portions - how much you eat. That is after you choose reasonable healthy items.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:37:04 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
What is Kibbeh?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:38:08 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
I do so much better eating at home. I take my portion and that's it. In the restaurants, any kind, I try to leave half, but it's sitting there, and I talk, and I nibble....

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:39:05 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Kibbeh is a baked mixture of cracked wheat mixed with spicy ground meat and stuffed with sauteed onions and pine nuts.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:39:51 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Suggestion. Once you are done, have it taken away and put what's remaining away for tomorrow.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:40:03 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
Sounds delightful. Is this discussion supposed to make me hungry. I haven't had a late night binge in a while. LOL

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:40:22 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Or a twist on that is ask for a take home container when you order. Put away half when your order arrives.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:40:58 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Don't mean to whet your appetite.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:41:10 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
Hope how many carbs/calories in Tabouleh?(home made)

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:41:24 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
ooops should've changed the name here a while ago.
Susie, I was just about to make the same suggestion about the "doggy bag." Out of sight, out of mind they say.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:44:01 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
It's tough to give an absolute, but bulgur is about 15 grams of carb for 1/2 cup. But tabouleh can be made with lots of parsley and tomato. It really depends how it is made. Look on the food label of a few store brands of tabouleh for some estimates.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:45:12 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Not that we really eat them, but how are "Mexican" foods? I have a recipe that many others have for a layered dip containing Bean dip and guacamole. Is this more a carb or carb/fat issue?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:45:32 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
Mine is a lebonese(sp) recipe, lots of parsley, onions and tomatoes!

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:46:12 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Is tabouleh that stuff (you can tell I don't eat it) that is very finely chopped tomatoes, onions and cukes/green peppers? I think I have seen it at least LOL

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:46:36 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Probably more of a fat issue if you are talking refried beans and quacamole. A lot of the layered dips contain sour cream, cheese, etc. This is an easy dish to lower the calories and fat if you are making it yourself.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:47:48 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
parsley, not cukes or green peppers(at leasdt in the recipe I have)I only started eating it 2 months ago, and I'm addicted~~~also has olive oil and lemon juice

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:47:49 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Tabouleh can really vary in it's volume of different ingredients. Bulgar - a healthy grain is the base - then minced parsley, tomatoes, oil, lemon juice.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:48:21 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.206.29
Had a strange reaction to Chinese food: last night's dinner-chicken veggie soup, eggplant with scallions. Passed up the complimentary desserts. thought I did real well. nothing tasted "sweet". took half home. bg245 this a.m. down to 102 before lunch?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:48:25 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Agree with Connie - no cukes or green peppers. Tabouleh is great.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:50:08 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
home made Greek salad and Tabouleh are my weaknesses, I could live on them

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:51:19 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Doesn't sound bad to live on. Good healthy foods made with healthy olive oil. Sure you can over do anything!

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:51:42 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
I have trouble enough figuring how much insulin to take for home made, could you imagine if we ate out??

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:52:00 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Well, I would prob. try Tabouleh if offered. It would depend on the onion content. I don't care for raw onions.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:52:44 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
In my greek, I cheat, just use lemon juice as a dreesing, I overdo the olives and feta....LOL

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:52:48 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Brenda - if you made it yourself you could leave them out. I don't remember tabouleh having much in the way of onions - do you Connie?

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:53:22 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
That's great Connie.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:53:41 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Connie, I buy a lot of those little magazine type recipe books from Pillsbury of Favorite Brand name Diabetic Cooking since they usually contain the necessary nutrition info.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:54:16 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
Brend, you can buy sweet onions, but my husband absolutely swears he hate onions, and I gave him some Tabouleh, and he liked it(you can see the onion)I think it's the salt and pepper that cover the onion(I use 3 large)

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:55:05 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
Good idea. I'd also encourage you to look at some of the American Diab Assoc cookbooks. They all list nutrition info.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:56:02 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
I have never used a diabetic recipe, I get recipes from family and friends, and modify them to my tastes! Except the Tabouleh, I do follow this recipe exactly, tried changing it, just wasn't as good!!

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:56:27 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
oops that's you "Can't" see the onion

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:57:52 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
I actually still use the exchange diet most of the time, I do try to figure the carbs to, but the exchange works best for me right now.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:58:22 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Connie, I just found a duplicated of the July/Aug 2000 Diabetic Cooking. If you want it, send me an e-mail with your address (brenda@castleweb.com) and I'll mail it to you shortly.

Mon Oct 30 2000 21:59:22 Eastern US
Susie (type2) from 207.29.205.147
Hope thank you for the advise. I am fading...Good night.

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:00:46 Eastern US
Hope W (Chat Leader) from 205.188.199.24
The clock has struck 10 pm my time. It's time to call it a night for me. Thanks for joining the chat. I look forward to my next one in November. Be well. Happy trick or treating.

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:01:00 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
I don't use too many diabetic recipes either. I don't like to use artificial sweeteners (a taste issue for me) and modify them as needed. My family is VERY picky.

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:01:13 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
Thanks Brenda, I will!

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:01:45 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
Thanks Hope

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:02:27 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
Maybe I review the 4 or so that I have and copy the ones I may use some day (I have a cookbook/recipe addiction!) and send them all to you. Jeff met someone who publishes them and they just appear in the mail every so often.

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:02:30 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
Brenda, I never use artificial anything, was brought up with modification in everything.

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:03:11 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
My issue isn't a taste issue, I don't think it's healthy

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:03:19 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
You can tell it's getting late--I can no longer type.
Thanks, Hope for being here with us tonight. I suspect a lot of moms are frantically making costumes tonight LOL

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:04:14 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
I'm glad I made it home early for a change, I always miss the chat forums, here and at the station

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:04:39 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
I mentioned that to Jeff when you first arrived and he said you need a wireless computer.

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:05:42 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
LOL, I can barely afford this one!!

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:05:58 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
Being healthy with D isn't cheap!!

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:07:58 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89, pump) from 206.112.197.133
I know what you mean--switching to Parents room. See you there.

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:08:09 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
I jsut spent $200.00 on supplements the other day, I knwo there are people who are not big on them, but they work for me, and I only take the basics!!

Mon Oct 30 2000 22:08:24 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.85
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