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Let's Talk Turkey: Enjoy Thanksgiving and Keep Control
With Robyn Webb on November 20, 2000

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com (206.112.197.133) Mon Nov 20 2000 21:00:50 Eastern US
The 'Food Matters' chat room is now open.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:01:38 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
Name the film: "You cut the toykey without me?"

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:02:09 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
No, maybe I'm too young for that one, Ellen. LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:03:30 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
I'm trying to remember the title now!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:04:09 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
Are you cooking the "bird" this year Brenda?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:04:44 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
hello I finally made it..

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:04:58 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
I will just get the smallest breast I can find.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:05:59 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
I have a turkey day ? Evenin' all!:-) How do I do this??!! People coming at 3PM for big meal Jay usually eats lunch at noon & dinner at ^ Any ideas?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:06:00 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
sorry, I was on the phone--can't chat and talk simultaneously. With just the 5 of us, that's way more than eough. What are your plans?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:06:01 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
I am having a big fat turkey for thanksgiving.>

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:06:37 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
hi Pam!:-)

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:06:45 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Hi, Guys - hoping to have our host soon.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:07:04 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 206.112.197.133
Robin, I guess you could convince him just to snack. Ha Ha. I see he's 17 and probably a pretty big eater. I would consider having him take an extra shot just before the meal.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:07:11 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
We're headed to Disney and meeting my husband's family there. His cousin will be cooking for all of us. Sounds like a great plan to me :-)!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:07:30 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Hi Robin how are you and Jay and ready for the big Turkey day.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:08:31 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
I like the idea of NOT cooking. Some day, I'd even opt for going to a restaurant. Timothy, at 6, just can't sit too still and he is a very pick eater. He might try potatoes and rolls!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:08:47 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Ellen sounds like you have it made for Thanksgiving.. :-)

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:09:08 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Good thanks Pam e-mail me later K? I lost all my addresses,buddy list, & favorites. Missed you1

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:09:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
OK, we seem to have a few glitches worked out and Robyn Webb should be signing on in just a minute to talk about all those turkey/T-DAy questions.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:10:20 Eastern US
Cheri (Chris 12, dx'd 5/99) from 63.25.207.251
Does anyone here have siblings w/db?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:10:52 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Pam, how has Justin been?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:10:56 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Robin I lost your e-mail mine is flash@netva.com

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:11:21 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
Cheri, I can put you in touch with someone who does..

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:11:23 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Robin were on roller coaster.. We are learning all about Humolog..

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:11:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Robin -- to figure out the best way to handle changed meal times, it helps to know the types of insulin being used. What does Jay use?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:12:15 Eastern US
Cheri (Chris 12, dx'd 5/99) from 63.25.207.251
I would appreciate it-- just tested my daughter who isn't & her bs was 294

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:12:20 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
Pam have you had to inject yet?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:12:43 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Ellen Nope hes not been 200 yet.. So thats a good thing..

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:12:54 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 206.112.197.133
OK Betty, I will let you take over. Timothy needs to be put in bed; he was coughing during the night and had a fever so I am hoping to get him to sleep soon and be well enough for school. We now have no kids with perfect attendence this year. Marissa has already missed 8 1/2 days with stomach bugs/strep. She was very ill last night, too, but we determined her probs were migraine related and she was ok today. Anyway, I'll check back later.

By the way, I once made a pumpkin pie using Sweet 'n Low. We didn't like it very much.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:13:07 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
Cheri were her hands clean?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:13:22 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.194.193
Cheri, come to the Parents chat room for a few minutes and then we can come back here.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:13:30 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
8R31NPH 6 AM 8R 10NPH 5:30PM Humalin

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:13:42 Eastern US
Cheri (Chris 12, dx'd 5/99) from 63.25.207.251
Yes, retested and got 227

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:13:58 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Thanks, Brenda -- hope things look up at your place soon! And I'm with you on the Sweet-n-Low pie!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:14:16 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Robin e-mail me when ya get a chance. :-)

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:14:35 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
hi everyone I ma here for a chat on Thanksgiving!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:15:25 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Hi Robyn :-)

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:15:33 Eastern US
Missa (Daughter of Lori) from 172.152.10.89
Is anybody here?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:15:45 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Robin, since Jay uses NPH to cover lunch, he's actually got a pretty wide peak of insulin that lsts most of the afternoon. He could just have a snack at lunchtime and then eat the main meal at three -- with a little extra testing it might work faily well

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:15:49 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.62
Hi

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:15:58 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
what questions/ concerns do you have for this Thanksgiving?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:16:05 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
I will do that Pam! Meantime keep takin' good care of that boy!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:16:26 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.62
Welcome,Robyn W!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:16:30 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
RobynW - welcome!! sorry abut the delay getting the room up. There's a nice group alredy here. Anybody have questions for Robyn on TDay foods??

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:17:11 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
BettyB that's good to know I've been wracking my brain!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:17:16 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Hi Missa - there's a bunch of folks

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:17:28 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Robynw My question is how to keep a 14 year old boy out of the turkey gravy and pumpkin pie.. :-)

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:17:31 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.62
How do you avoid binge eating with many different foods,some high carbs?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:18:14 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
pam, just monitor how much of he eats. It is hard to keep himout of it. Make alternatives too.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:18:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Let me know how it works - we use the same thing with little kids who aren't hungry at the regular mealtime -- move the extra food to snack time when they'll likely be more hungry if you don't make a big deal out of it -- with a 17 year old appetite, I'll bet that's seldome a problem!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:18:59 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Robyn I was just asking the group how to handle changing mealtimes....It happens a lot during the holidays. Any tips??

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:19:01 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Heidyn,

Make sure you eat normally on T_day. that is have breakfast and get soem exercise too

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:19:52 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
first make sure that during holidays breakfast is eaten along with nay snacks before mealtimes. then try to keep the portions reasonable

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:22:15 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
does anyone need new or altered recipes?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:22:35 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
robynw Its just about impossible to keep the meals small when Justin only considers Thanksgiving and Christmas come once a year.. He told me he was gonna eat what ever he wanted.. So looks like I will have a great day with number readings.. But what size of pumpkin pie can you have?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:23:13 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Robyn, when you're finished with the queston about changed mealtimes, could youu suggest a GREAT dessert made with pumpkin that has less carb and fat than regular pumpkin pie -- and I'm not talking about the infamous "Sweet-n-Low" Pumpkin pie that tastes pretty yucky and has a funny texture!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:23:29 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
I would love new and altered recipe maybe this would work..

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:23:44 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
do you know any for low carb but tasty side dishes?? Jay doesn't like turkey all that much & would fill up on spuds!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:23:47 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
pam, I would keep it to 1/8 of the pie is reasonable. Yes, make sure you take blood sugar readings and try to not have all the food for t-Day all at once

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:24:02 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.62
how about a recipe for low sugar baked beans?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:24:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Pam - you guys use Humalog don't you? how about matching the dose to the meal instead of the other way around?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:24:50 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
for low carb side dishes I would stick with platters of raw veggies with a good yogurt dip spiked with herbs. Kids like raw veggies.

what kind of recipes do you need?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:24:51 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Robin sounds like our boys likes potatoes :-)

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:25:22 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
Betty we dont use Humolog unless Justin goes over 200 he is only on glucotrol.. any suggestions there

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:25:56 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14 ) from 63.95.121.42
robyw any for dressing and gravies?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:26:09 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
heidyn,

I would just cut down condierably onthe brown sugar. It really dioes nto need to be sweet. If you use ketchup in yours, get a low sugar variety. Depend more on low fat bacon and add mustard for more flavor

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:27:18 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
for dressings I would use a good stale whole wheat bread mixed with onions and celery that have been sauteed in broth. Add fresh sage chopped, and perhaps water packed chestnuts. Add salt anfd pepper and you have a lower fat stuffing.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:27:28 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
hello.....made it......

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:28:23 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
for gravy, just skim the fat off the natural juices that collect when raosting the turkey and forget about the canned variety

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:28:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Thanks for the reminder Pam - I had fogotten. With Glucotrol he has a ceiling to the amount of insulin he can produce at one time - so maybe stretchng out his favorite foods over two or three meals might be an option -- or using the Humalog to straighten out the blood sugar after the fact

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:29:02 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Connie -- the BC contingent hs arrived! Welcome.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:29:04 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.62
hi Connie!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:29:21 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Hi Connie!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:29:40 Eastern US
Heidyn (T1) from 164.106.22.62
Thanks Robyn

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:30:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Robyn, annie ideas on the lower carb pumpkin dessert -- remember, it's Thanksgiving - it has to be wonderful! LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:30:43 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
what is everyone planning on preparing for the this hoilday?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:31:52 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Yes, for pumpkin pie! Well, there are options. One you can eat a smaller peice. But there are other things to do with pumpkin too. I make a pumpkin mousse. Take canned pumpkin and miix it with a cup of low fat ricotta cheese, add a dash of honey, cinnamon and nutmeg and youhave a mousse

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:32:04 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Turkey & gravey, mashed & garlic & dill new potatoes, juliann carrots,stuffing & cranberries all preceded by the best antipasto in the world & followed by pie & a nap!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:32:23 Eastern US
brenda from 4.4.206.98
You can make baked beans with splenda...doesn't break down when you cook with it.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:32:30 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
oh & peas!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:32:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Also, Robyn, can you talk about cooking with alcohol - explain how this effects the count for a food...

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:33:21 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Yes, splenda does work witht he baked beans too. I love workjing with splenda and it is an option for the holidays!!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:33:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Is that mousse cooked, whipped, what?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:33:44 Eastern US
brenda from 4.4.206.98
What do you eat when you have type 2 diabetes and high cholesterol too?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:34:04 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
if anybody has apple pies, or applesauce, apples don't need sugar or sweetners

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:34:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Robin -- can I come to your house?? Sounds wonderful

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:34:53 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
When cooking with alchol remember that it has be burned off for a significant portion of time for the calories to evaporate. but a little goes a long way. I find adding just a few drops of let's say amaretto to a pudding, does wonders for the pudding. Of course any use of alcohol should be discussed with a dietitian

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:34:58 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
ANd you can pie unsweetened pie shells!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:35:10 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
It is & my husband cooks it! C'mon up!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:35:35 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Robyn that sounds good Is that 1 can of pumpkin?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:35:51 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Connie,

Have you used the splenda. It is remarkable. works great, products taste great and it tastes like sugar. So much better than the other low calorie sweeteners

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:36:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Oh, God - now I AM jealous! I've been looking for a man who can cook for YEARS!! LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:36:29 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
robin ( with an i), Yes 1 ( 15 ounce) can pumpkin is used

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:36:40 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Took 22 years of training!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:36:41 Eastern US
betsy (mom of nikki/7 yrs) from 205.188.198.157
hi - my mom does all the cooking t'giving day and she tries to be "good" but i think my only option for my 7-yr old is smaller portions and more running around

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:37:13 Eastern US
betsy (mom of nikki/7 yrs) from 205.188.198.157
she also is a "spud-lover" - my daughter, that is...

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:37:27 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Why would you use splenda, most fruit doesn't need sugar, and I don't touch anything but stevia and sugar, and seldom either!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:37:46 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
bestsy,

when others are in charge, it is hard. Yes, one ooption is smaller portiosn, exercise and monitoring

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:37:56 Eastern US
brenda (Type 2 Arkansas) from 4.4.206.98
Because some of still like sweet things, COnnie.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:38:15 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
My hubby is cooking supper now so I can chat!!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:38:29 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Thanks Robyn (with a y)I'm going to try it! Any good ideas for side dishes that are low carb but tasty?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:38:33 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Connie,

I agree that fruit is sweet, just asking if you used it for pies, cakes, etc. s

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:38:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
brenda, the short answer to your question is lots of vegetables fruits, grains, modest amounts of protein and sweets, and sticking with monounstarurtes like olive oil, canola or avocado for added fat -- have you had a chance to work with a good dietitian on some personalized info?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:40:00 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
for side dishes I would try to prepare as many non starch veggies as possbile. To make brussels sprouts tastier, i add orange sections to them( you monitor the amount)and ligtly sauteed onions

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:40:03 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
We also have dishes of nibblies all over the place but most of them seem ok pickles & olives stuffed celery

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:40:11 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
I only make pies now, I seldom eat them anyway(weight problem) cookies I use sugar and adjust my insulin, always have, some pickles I use Stevia!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:40:22 Eastern US
brenda (Type 2 Arkansas) from 4.4.206.98
I have a CDE and a dietician.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:40:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Connie, when it comes to sweeteners, just like everything else, people have different tastes and preferences -- it's ice we have so many choices in the US and Canada - ot the case everywhere

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:42:00 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
robyin, olives and pickles seem ok. again, just monitor the amount. connie, I nver have used stevia, like to try. sounds like your products come out great!!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:42:30 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Betty, I was only wondering why people use sugar in fruit dishes!!LOL Actually after all these years I don't like sweet stuff, hubby does though!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:43:08 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
nuts are good for nibbles too - not much effect on BG or insulin equiremnt - heaLTHY FATS - but lots of calories of course -- that 17 year old with the gargantuan appetite and calorie needs could have a field day

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:43:20 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Robynw, I don't use it much, but it does work!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:44:37 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
does anyone need help in the dessert dept for this holiday???

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:44:39 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
I have some recipes for things somewhere, it's been so long since I've used it, I don't know which pile they're in1!!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:44:43 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
It's difficult to monotor amts when the kids "graze" all day long. How about cocktail franks cooked on sterno? are they really bad?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:46:26 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Yeah, Robyn, give us some good dessert ideas.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:47:06 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Thanks Betty B good idea My sister brings dessert which puts it out of my hands........think we'll be doing lots of testing on thursday!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:47:21 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Robin, the drawback to the coctail franks of course is the fat and some of them use really poor quality ingredients. If possible try to give them nuts if you are lookng for nibbles like Betty mentioned as they are high in good fat! Other suggestions for easy things could be attractively sliced veggies even with a peanut butter dip or cubes of low fat cheese

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:48:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
A meter is our best friend, no? LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:49:06 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Back for a sec: I once made a "fruit pizza." I think I used canned crescent rolls as the crust, 3 oz. of cream cheese, topped with fresh fruit like kiwi and slightly warmed all-fruit (apricot) to add a little sweetener. Hmm-must've cooked the crust part a few min, then added the cream cheese. I neglected to write down what I was doing, just trying to use no sugar. It's not pumpkin, but it's dessert!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:49:29 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
for desserts; I would think smaller again. Make mini pecan tarts instead of a whole pie. Or serve parfaits made with delicous flavors of pudding layered with whipped cream( low fat, low sugar. Or an assortment of sliced attractive fruits accompanied by small wedges of good cheeses ( low fat if you need to)

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:49:57 Eastern US
Greer (Mom of Martha, 11mths, dx'd at 6 mths) from 199.67.140.20
I would like some suggestions for my daughter's first birthday cake...any suggestions?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:50:13 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Robyn, other ideas for good dips (like the peanute butte dip you mentioned that are low carb so people can graze on those a veggies without having to think about the counts??

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:50:13 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Brenda,

What a nice recipe. You did probably cook the crust first. then spread onthe cc

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:50:54 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Brenda, sounds good!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:51:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Robyn, how much difference in total carb do you usually find between low sugar and regular desserts that have other carb ingredients like milk, fruit, flour, etc??

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:51:39 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Probably so. I spent many hours making up recipes back about 7 yrs (one fewer child) ago! Threw out a lot, too! Used to try a graham cracker crust, then cream cheese, then fruit--never did get that one to work!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:51:51 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Other dips can include low fat cottage cheese whipped up inthe blender with snipped chives or thyme. Add a clove or two of mincec garlic. Or strain yogurt in a cheesecloth liner over a bowl set inthe frig overnight and you have yogurt cheese. Add low sugar jam to it or add fresh herbs and you have a wonderful spread for low fat crackers or celery for example

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:52:52 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
JUst remember the carb in the "low fat" crackers!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:52:53 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Guess I'd better try to work on that pizza again. Kids have requested it, but I told them there's no recipe. I'll get it perfected and have Jeff put it on the site.
Need to check on the kids again.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:53:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
But those are great dip ideas Robyn. Thanks.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:53:08 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Brenda I have a recipe like that, but it's very rich!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:53:12 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Betty,

of course you have to account for the milk, fruit in total carbs. Sometimes just a smaller portion of the regualr desserts may work becasue adding more carb to low carb desserts may defeat the purpose

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:54:41 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Greer,

for the first cake of the first year!!! I would make a small one, maybe one made with Splenda. If no one cares, even a very cute cupcake could suffice

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:55:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
That's the way I'e come to think about it -- personally I'd almost always prefer a smaller portion of the "real thing" to a larger portion of somethig that tastes "almost there" LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:55:31 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
robynw, I have a question, but I'm not sure if my messages are going through.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:55:42 Eastern US
Robin (Jay,17,dx'd 8/2000) from 64.12.104.52
Robyn Thank you for the ideas & recipes! I've got to go. I wish all a Happy Bird-Day!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:55:46 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Betty,

you are woman of taste!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:56:09 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
anne, what is your great question???

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:56:29 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Thanks Robin -- good luck with that appetite on T-DAy -- most important - enjoy the holiday!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:56:34 Eastern US
Greer (Mom of Martha, 11mths, dx'd at 6 mths) from 199.67.140.20
We are obviously just beginning the people food. This may be a dumb question but what is Splenda?

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:57:02 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Gee Betty, that's what I've always been taught, maybe that's why I don't crave sweets!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:57:35 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
ok, Is there a rule of thumb on increasing insulin, primarily humilog, to allow for "a few extras" in eating for the holidays? this is our first Thanksgiving with our 5 1/2 year old recently being diagnosed. I am not yet comfortable fooling around with her scale w/o calling the endo first, so I don't have a feel for increasing or decreasing on my own.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:58:10 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Yep -- I think there's a lot of wisdom in not making any "forbidden fruit" so to speak.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:58:35 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Splenda is a low calorie sweetner made from sugar, that tastes like sugar, works well in cooking and baking, yet is low in ttoal carbs and has just a few calories. I understand it is now available in most parts of the country in both packet and tabletop pourer form. It is great!

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:59:13 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
She injects 2-4 times day and only weighs 47 lbs. She takes only 1-4 units of humilog a day and 5-9 units of n a day.

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:59:33 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
MY weaknesses are those rich dips, like spinach dip etc.........

Mon Nov 20 2000 21:59:49 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Betty,

anne's question is probably best answered by you: oh great one!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:00:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Anne - you can figure out the scale the endo has given you by comparing the regulr meal Humalog doses to the amount of carb servings in that meal .. many little kids are at somewhere around 1/2 unit Humalog per 15 grams of carb (1 piece of bread, 1 pieve of fruit, 1 glass of milk, etc)

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:00:53 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Connie,

Make the spinach dip using low fat ( not non fat) sour cream and add crunchy water chestnuts to it. Also you may want to combine real sour cream and the low fat stuff. Add a oinch of cayenne for an extra flavor boost!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:01:43 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
For example, if her regular dose of Huamlog was 2 units for a meal that usually contains about 4 carb portions, that would be about 1/2 unit per carb

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:02:22 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Robyn i don't touch anything that says "low" lol I just try to stop eating!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:03:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Than you could experiment with adding a half unit to the meal dose for ech extra carb eaten -- or take away a half unit for each one when her appetite wasn't up to par - testing after the meal will show you how it's working.

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:03:23 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
I thought about that, but it doesn't seem to have a pattern. Breakfast she gets 45 carbs (3 starches), but her humalog ranges from 0-2 units depending on her pre-meal bg.

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:03:30 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Dear Connie,

you go for it then, portion control is a key and sounds like you have that one down!!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:03:31 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Notice I said try......

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:04:39 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Only on sweets, Robyn, wish I could with the rest, the try means "avoid"LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:05:29 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
This holiday season for all of you remember, don't make food forbidden, enjoy the holidays withthe rest of your family and friends. Portion control contributes alot to managing BG levels. Also very impt: get exercise and don't sit around the house all day!!!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:06:03 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
Lunch she gets no insulin unless she is >200, then only 1 u N. Same for bed, Dinner is similar to breakfast, but less N

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:06:29 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Now that's tough Robyn!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:07:21 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Anne - it's hard to hit a moving target. We teach the folks at our center to figure the dose for food separately from the dose a high or low BG at mealtime - sounds like your endo lumps the two together -- but that makes it hard for you to figure out how to make adjustments for food. I'm assuming that the dose for 45 grams is 2 units when the blood sugar is in your taret range. Is that correct?

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:07:41 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
My tips would be for this holiday: prepare what you like ( see if you can make them lower in fat or carbs by not serviong so many straches ( only one or two is necessary) save the other carbs to try on another day. Next, eat small portions. also eat normally, eat breakfast on T-day, don't starve yourself in anticipation of a big meal. Get exercise. you will feel better on friday!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:08:14 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Robyn, do you think the exchange meal planning is easier for holidays?

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:08:48 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
Nope, only if she is >250 .5 if 80-160

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:09:34 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
I like the exchange system because it gives you freedom to choose a variety of foods. I do however alos like carb counting becasue of its effectiveness in managing BG levels. But I always say ( what do you say Betty??) that you are your best judge of what works for you.

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:10:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Wow -- looks like your doctor is trying to run hr blood sugars quite "loose." How long has she had diabetes - these almost sound like "honeymoon doses.

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:10:53 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
What other recipes would you all like for T-day and this holiday season???

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:11:29 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
Perhaps this won't be a problem, anyway. Our daughter usually eats whatever I put on her plate.

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:11:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Yep - Robyn - I see you know me well -- there's more than one recipe for lsagne and everybody hs their favorite -- same with life, exchanges, carbs -- hey, some people even think calorie points rule the world!! LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:11:45 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
I keep hoping the carb counting will work for me, but so far hasn't, I count them and mke notes re exchange, but everyday it works differently for the same food!!LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:13:24 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
Only since July, but we have asked and researched the honeymoon period, and the endo does not think that she has had or will have one. We are starting a pump in Jan. We are waiting until then to make sure of the fact that she will not honeymoon. He said that if she has not had it by then, she won't.

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:13:31 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
I would recommend a visit if you can this holiday season to your diettitan if you feel the need to go over a holiday"plan". Connie, I don't know your BG levels, but that is key. A variety of approaches can work. Settle in to what you feel best with. Any further suggestions Betty????

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:13:52 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Well, Anne, with little ones with diabtes, it's best to get the right foods on the table and let their appetite set the portions -- you've got sort of "sliding scale" that the endo has provided -- and if she's feeling well and enjoying her meals, you've a lot to be congratulated for!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:15:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Connie -- sounds like more likely a problem with your background insulin -- who's helping you with your pump?

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:15:07 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 13, dx'd 9/89) from 10.0.1.3
Just a reminder that this room should automatically close in about 5 min. Feel free to continue this conversation in the Parents room.
Robyn, on behalf of Jeff I'd like to thank you for sharing ideas with us, again. You, too, Betty. Let's just hope we all experience good BG's and "say no" to many of the goodies with which we will all be tempted.

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:15:13 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Robyn I email weekly, we're are working on the carb counting, I'm just ompatient!!LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:15:25 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
Does anyyone else have questions regarding meals for the holidays, recipes, frustrations, etc??????

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:16:32 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
I have a CDE who is on the pump, and We coverse weekly when needed, I email her, and if she sees a problem she calls me!!LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:16:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Well, Anne, you might strt asking your endo about adjusting Humalog before you switch to the pump since that's the insulin you'll be managing for meal coverage with the pump. We're trying to set up a "pumps and kids" chat soon - keep an eye on the site and hope fully yu'll see it pop up in the chat calendar

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:16:50 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
converse

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:16:54 Eastern US
Anne (IL) from 208.167.185.38
Good suggestion robyn. We have a call in to the RD, regarding my question, but have not heard back yet. Thanks for you input Betty!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:17:29 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Thanks Brenda and Jeff for having this, and Thanks Betty and Robyn for being here!!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:17:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
Connie - i sounds to me like you're doig great and have a good support system -- maybe you can ask Santa for the dose of patience!! LOL

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:18:00 Eastern US
robynw (food matters chat host) from 158.252.23.103
It has been a pleasure to be with all of you again. i hope I provided a few tips along the way. Feel free to e mail me at robynwebb@aol.com for more in depth info than i could provide here. Happy holidays to all!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:18:06 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
I like learning things here too!!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:18:38 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
LOL Betty, after all these years???

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:18:43 Eastern US
i have a huge weiner (i like boys) from 207.103.93.5
hi

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:19:02 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 - Tempe, AZ) from 64.12.104.187
You're most welcome -- Robyn, thanks so much for all the great ideas!!! Hope you all have a stupendous Turkey Day -- I'll be doing that Food chat next week - talking about Glycemic Index -- Night All! Gobble Gobble!

Mon Nov 20 2000 22:19:58 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1//pumping) from 209.53.87.198
Hope to get home in time BEtty!!!!

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