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Food Matters: Diabetes and a Vegetarian Diet
With Betty Brackenridge on March 19, 2001

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Mon Mar 19 2001 20:41:22 Eastern US
Brandalyn from 205.188.200.201
Anyone here yet?

Mon Mar 19 2001 20:41:40 Eastern US
Brandalyn from 205.188.200.201
OOPs guess I am early

Mon Mar 19 2001 20:44:56 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.57
Hello Brandalyn

Mon Mar 19 2001 20:53:31 Eastern US
Della (mom of Josh 7 dx'd at 15 months of age) from 167.142.11.228
Hello Brandalyn and Tracey

Mon Mar 19 2001 20:57:55 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
Hi how is everyone?

Mon Mar 19 2001 20:59:29 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hello All - I'm Betty Brackenridge, your host for tonight's Food Matters chat on Vegetariansism and Diabetes. I'm a dietitian and diabetes educator. The chat is open for all questions, comments and discussions on the subject - you can direct questions and comments to me or to anyone else in the chat. We can get started any time you're ready. If you're new to the chats, just let us know. There are a lot of old hands around usually to answer questions.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:00:33 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
This is my first chat. I am diabetic and I am becoming a vegetarian.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:01:12 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hi, Tara. What type of vegetarian diet are you working in to?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:01:31 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
I would like any information on making the transition

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:01:40 Eastern US
Della (mom of Josh 7 dx'd at 15 months of age) from 167.142.11.228
Hi Betty and everyone else this is the first time I have been to a scheduled chat....looking forward to learning..

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:01:59 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
Just dropping meat. I will still eat dairy

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:02:47 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hi, Della. Welcome. Tara, in terms of making the transition, a lot depends on how you've been managing your diabetes prior to changing your diet. Have you been adjusting insulin for food before now?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:03:59 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
I am on the insulin pump I do a 1:10 carb ratio.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:04:15 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
So, Tara, what's called a "lacto-ovo vegetarian." Are you making any other cahnges, like using vegetrian meat substitutes, eating more beans, eating more fruits and vegetables -- or is it pretty much just eliminating meat?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:04:38 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
hello all :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:05:24 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
I am starting to buy substitutes like soy hot dogs, tofu, I have also been eating more fruits and vegetables

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:05:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
And you are using Humalog in yur pump?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:06:09 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
yes humalog

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:06:21 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
Hi everyone I'm from Australia and I am new to this.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:07:17 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
hi tracey :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:07:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
So if you're already adjusting insulin for carb intake, it's likely that the main change, at least at first, will be learning the carb values of the new foods you;re adding to your diet. You may also begin to notice that when you eat moe soy, fruits and vegetables (which means more fiber) that your bolusing will need to change a bit. Meals with lots of fiber often raise blood sugar more slowly than ones with much less fiber -- even if they have the same amount of total carbohydrate.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:08:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hi Tracey and Sharon -- welcome to the chat!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:08:20 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
Hi Sharon What ages are your kids?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:08:31 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Have you been puzzled by anything that's happened so far, Tara?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:09:48 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
No, I have just started in the last week and there has not been any problems so far.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:10:25 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
steven (the carnivore) is 6 & gabrielle (the mostly veg) is 12

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:10:44 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
Thank you for the advice.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:11:46 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
so basically it should not have an impact on my diabetes?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:12:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
And, by the way, Tara, the way you're going about getting into a vegetarian diet is likely to mean that your overall diet is better from a nutritional viewpoint.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:12:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Gabrielle is following form, Sharon, most kids who choose vegetarian nutriton (unless their parents are vegetarian and they've eaten that way all their life) make the switch between about 12 and 16.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:13:49 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
betty: i have been a vegetarian, for the most part, since i was 8 yrs old.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:14:15 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
we do eat chicken and fish. and eggs & dairy. but no red meat or pork.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:14:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Tara, as long as you are taking insulin to match the demand, you should not see any big difference. If you were a person who had been taking set insulin doses before making the change, there would probably be more impact. Vegetrarian diets tend to be higher in carb and may send blood sugars up if insulin isn't adjusted accordingly.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:14:59 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 16, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.143
Hello....
Betty, do people making the switch to a veggie diet need to be concerned that they are still getting similar amounts of protein? I know that can affect bgs

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:15:25 Eastern US
Susie from 207.29.206.68
Hi :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:15:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Sharon, you point up an important issue -- there are so many different types of diets that are considered vegetarian --

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:16:16 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.57
My question is that I have seven kids, ages 16 to 5, and cooking to cater for all their needs.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:16:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hi, Susie and Judith! J, most people on vegetarian eating plans who are getting enough total calories, get adequate protein too.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:17:00 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
hi judith. i try to supplement missing protein in our diet. and iron.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:17:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
When I was in graduate school, they used to teach (back when water was brand new!!) that you had to combine foods "just so," at each meal to make sure of good protein nutrition. We now know that's not the case.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:17:58 Eastern US
Tara (Tara dxd 6 98 @ 10. Now 13) from 152.163.195.203
thank you betty. Goodnight everyone

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:18:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Yikes, tracey!! You've got your hands full, with or without diabetes!! Do you have any particular topics you'd like to ask or talk about?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:18:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
You're welcome, Tara, Good luck!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:18:58 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
i do that with a family of 4 tracey, and its not easy! how do you do it??

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:19:46 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Hi my son has been vegetarian since he was in 2nd grade. Now he's in 7th. He hasn't had meat, chicken or fish in all that time. I'm very supportive of his vegetarianism, even though the rest of the family consumes meat. :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:19:54 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Sharon, since you're still using fish, -oultry and dairy, it's not likely that protein would be much of a problem - unless someone is a picky eater and stays away from all those foods.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:21:05 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.57
Youngest one with diabetes, we are basically vegetarians. I am wanting to try risotto's etc but am not sure how they are going to effect Rebekahs sugars as we usually eat brown rice

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:21:06 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hi Ellen! I was in your twerritory a few weeks ago! How cool that you're supporting your son in this. A vegetarian diet can be a very healthy way to eat -- but having one family emmber eating sdifferently can sure add to the work load!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:21:16 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
true betty, but we dont eat those things every day. some days we will use tofu or beans as a main part of our meal.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:21:46 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Betty you were here and didn't call to say hello :-)? Did you see Wendy Satin-Rapaport while here?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:22:17 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
We also use alot of beans and lentels.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:23:04 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
There are lots of good fast frozen foods too available, "Amy's Organics, Cascadian Farms..." when I don't feel like cooking something separate.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:23:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Tracey, expanding food choices is important for everyone's enjoyment and sanity. The best way I know to manage that sort of thing is to experiment. Test before and after a meal with your usual brown rice - and then on another night substitute the risotto and again test before and after eating. You'll see from that whether you need to change the portion when eating the risotto to achieve the same glucose.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:24:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
NO, Ellen, I wouldn't so that! I was actually all the way up in St. Pete's -- but that was a lot closer than Phoenix! Wendy's doing a Feelings Matter chat next week, on Tuesday night.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:24:55 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Oh I'll have to stop by for Wendy's chat.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:25:09 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
That's basically what I have been doing up to now. I suppose I look upon them as white rice and am aprehensive to try.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:25:58 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
hi

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:26:27 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
For those who use beans, letnils, soy, extra veggies, and so on, the overall nutritional effect of the vegetarian diet is extremely positive -- but I suspect you know that! The kids that "go vegetarian," by mostly living on cheese pizza don't get the same benefits, of course.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:26:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hey, Connie!! How's beautiful Vancouver?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:26:54 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
hi connie :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:27:02 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Hi Connie, what were those special mushrooms you cooked one day? My son loves portabella mushrooms and if I grill a slice of tofu too - it makes a great sandwich.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:27:58 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Is there a rule for estimating fiber in portions of beans and lentils? We subtract grams of dietary fiber from total grams before calculating insulin.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:28:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
No reason to be afraid of white rice as an occasional choice -- can be a nice change, and as long as you check out whether you're bolusing correctly for it, everything should be hunky dory.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:28:17 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Pine tree Ellen
BettyB, wet, the world figure skating champs are here, wouldn't expect nice weather would you??LOL

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:29:01 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Try stuffed portobella Ellen

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:29:22 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
What are good sources of protein apart from soya and kidney beans.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:29:33 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
whats a pine tree mushroom? i havent heard of that

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:29:37 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
If you combine some fat (tofu is a medium fat food) with the white rice, doesn't that reduce how fast the bg will rise?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:30:06 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
Sorry I meant iron not protein

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:30:22 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
i use lots of different types of beans, tracey.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:30:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Ellen, there is a good bit of variation among varieties, but a rule of thumb would be about 3 grams fiber per half cup of most whole beans and lentils. And subtracting grams of fibe is more often important for those who ARE eating vegetarian, because the total amount amount of fiber in their meals tends to be considerably higher than people eating standard omnivore diets.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:30:42 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
OH LOL
dark leafy greens i think are good for iron

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:31:39 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Ellen, you found the proper name for them???
Sharon, they're $30.00/pound in asia, picked in the Northwest, I have Korean friends who introduced me to them last year, they better take me picking this year!!LOL

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:32:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Vegetarian sources of iron include whole grain and enriched breads, lentils, lima beans, soy beans, pumpkin seeds. tofu, garbanzos...

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:32:30 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
$30 per pound?? HOLY COW!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:33:12 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Wow, a vegitarian diet wouldn't work for me, and I loves vegies, they hate me though!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:33:16 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Those must be SOME mushrooms!!! LOL

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:33:42 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
That's a cheap price Sharon, what they sell for in our chinatown

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:33:52 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
How do you mean they hate you??

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:34:18 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1 ) from 164.106.22.59
Hi

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:34:24 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
i like plain old white button mushrooms :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:34:39 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
Hi Heidyn

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:34:40 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
They're very hard to find, and people have been shot while picking in someone else territory!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:34:47 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
hi heidyn

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:35:24 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Anything with fat will slow down the emptying of the stomach -- which lengthens the time until carbohydrates can be digested and start raising the blood sugar. Besides tofu, other vegetarian fats would be oils, avocadoes, nuts and (for the non vegans) cheese.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:35:31 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
I have a great vegetarian lasanga that full of mushrooms

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:35:44 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hi, Heidyn - good to see you. Topic tonight is vegetarian diets.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:36:15 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Tracey, most vegies make my sugars react diferently daily, so I eat small amounts on weekends, when I can teast more frequently and bolus accordingly!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:36:25 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1 ) from 164.106.22.59
ooh, mushrooms, I love any kind:-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:36:51 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Hi Heidyn

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:37:03 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Tracey, I think Connie means don't stand behind her after she's had a plateful :-)!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:37:05 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
we use alot of cheese too. hard for gabi, being lactose intolerant, but she LOVES it. she just takes lactaid pills prior to eating cheese

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:37:19 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
lol ellen!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:37:55 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Connie, you're going to blow one of my best smart aleck comments "I never met anybody who ruined their blood sugars eating green benas!" There's an exception to absolutely every rule when you're dealing with diabetes. What DID we do before we had meters??

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:38:03 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
So an avocado sandwich would digest more slowly.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:38:47 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
ELLEN!!!!LOL

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:38:50 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
We use a lot of different fruits here too. Lychees are our favorite but they are only available for approx 3 months out of the year, $6.99 a pound and almost all shell and pits.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:39:08 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
sharon, do aged cheeses - like sharp cheddar - bother Gabi too? Many lactose intolerant peole can eat those because most of the lactose is converted to acid in aging.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:39:40 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
I can do salads, with parsley or spinach instead of lettuce. Asparagus seems ok so far too, beans and peas send me soaring!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:39:52 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.57
Our kids love fruit with either yoghurt or cottage cheese for breakfast.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:40:10 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Connie, I was just joking. Forgive me?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:40:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Yes, tracey - when compared to something with less fat -- peasnut butter is another vegetarian fat and would have about the same effec5t.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:40:29 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Oh and Ellen, it's dulse that does that to me........

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:40:30 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
not sure betty. not willing to let her try without her pills either, she gets horrible pains :-(

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:40:46 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
connie, lettuce affects your bg's??

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:40:48 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
LOL, of course Ellen!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:41:02 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
Yes, Rebekah LOVES peanut butter, would live on it if I allowed

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:41:04 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
My kids also love frozen fruit as a snack. They will eat frozen strawberries, or frozen mango or frozen cherries if there aren't any fresh in the house. Last a long time too. Without added sugar.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:41:20 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1 ) from 164.106.22.59
corn and peas are generally the most bg affecting veggies for me, carrots have some? but I never count them and they don't cause any bg woes

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:41:30 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
My son got tired of peanut butter, so we started buying cashew butter as an alternative.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:41:52 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Seems to Sharon! So I avoud it for the most part, I like parsley a lot anyhow, so it's not a hardship!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:42:06 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
steven thinks a teaspoon of peanut butter is a great treat! ok, he's a little weird :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:42:29 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
Rebekah prefers cashew butter also, but the price at the rate she eats it !!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:43:00 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
we have never tried cashew butter, will have to look for it.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:43:14 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
I love vegies, and I'm going to grow a lot of my own, this summer will be a challange

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:43:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Tracey, Rebekah sounds like a totally normal five year old -- they don't usually like a lot of different foods, but have a few favorites that they would prefer to eat all the time. From the diabetes perspective, that isn't all bad! You get those meals figured out - less guess work than a chld who always wants to eat something different.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:43:19 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
It is outrageous, isn't it Tracey?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:43:55 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Betty, tomatoes are killers for me too, and I love them in my salads

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:44:34 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1 ) from 164.106.22.59
Good for you, Connie, but don't put any parsely in my salad *g*

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:44:49 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Sharon, we call those "peanut butter suckers" at my house -- a teaspoon full of peanut butter -- and all of us weird characters walk around with the spoon in our mouths - sucking on the PB!! Maybe Steven belongs over here??!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:44:51 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
I know, and thats the problem, I like to stick to those measls that I know how they will effect her sugars, but the rest of the kids get a bit tired of them, and I hesitate to experiement

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:44:54 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Can you get grape tomatoes where you live? I think they are incredible - terrific snack. My kids love fresh veggies and steamed veggies. They also love junk food, but they have are willing to eat almost any ethnic food now.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:45:46 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Heidyn, parsley is great with salt and lemon juice!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:45:49 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Tracey, just trial and error - it's ok to experiment and if her bg goes a bit up or down, you'll know how to guess the next time. Don't be afraid to experiment.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:45:57 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
arent the grape tomatoes wonderful? they dont last too long around here

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:46:01 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1 ) from 164.106.22.59
are they like cherry tomatoes, Ellen? Thats what we call them over here

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:46:14 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Ellen they're all I buy for me!!!LOL Very expensive!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:46:21 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
I have started adding lots of fresh herbs to my cooking of late. They like them so far.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:46:26 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
oh those grape tomatoes are awesome -- and I mainlined a box I got last week -- thankfully sisn't see any impact on my BG -- raw baby carrots and those little tomatoes and I am one happy woman!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:46:27 Eastern US
pumpgirl83 from 152.163.207.63
hello?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:46:47 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
maybe, in the market for a very cute (precocious) 6 yr old? LOL

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:47:00 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Heidyne they're smaller the cherry tomatoes!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:47:31 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Betty, I keep those baby organic carrots in the 'fridge at work - so when I need to munch, it's something healthy. Also keep lots of different flavored herbal teas and have gotten used to them without any sweeteners.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:47:32 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.143
Just a comment about "peanut butter suckers" They are a definite choking hazard. A 12 y/o in this area died as a result of eating pb from the jar

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:47:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Heidyn, they're different than cherry tomatoes - smaller, the shape of a grape, not round -- and with a very intense flavor

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:47:47 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
Hello pumpgirl welcome

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:48:08 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.143
Not certain, but believe the American Academy of Pediatrics has warned against eating pb alone.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:48:14 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1 ) from 164.106.22.59
I don't know, some of our home-grown cherry tomatoes are just that size

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:48:18 Eastern US
pumpgirl83 from 152.163.207.63
hi

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:48:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Yikes!! what did he choke on - the spoon? or did he try to swallow a bunch of peanut butter at once?? how sad...

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:48:39 Eastern US
pumpgirl83 from 152.163.207.63
how is everyone?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:49:02 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Totally different shape Heidyn
Hi Judith

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:49:12 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
What is good for a lunch box without getting those afternoon highs.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:49:31 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
geez, judith, one of the most wonderful things. pb on a spoon. too bad, now i have to watch him even MORE closely!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:49:31 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hi Pumpgirl -- has anyone else heard about cautions against peanut butter? That's a new one on me.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:49:35 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.143
Choked on the pb. And because it is so sticky, Heimlich Maneuver was not of any use. Very sad..... There have been other cases, too.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:49:45 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.57
Well thankyou Pumpgirl.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:49:54 Eastern US
pumpgirl83 from 152.163.207.63
does your child take insulin at lunch

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:49:55 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.143
Just remember this one because it was local. He was at his grandparents' house.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:50:20 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
when you figure that oneout, please let me know tracey.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:50:43 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
No she is at school

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:51:04 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1 ) from 164.106.22.59
Only thing along those lines I've heard is a precaution against eating it..LOL because of the peanuts (and some kids have allergies to them)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:51:06 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Tracey, give me an example of what size meal Rebekah likes at lunch - maybe I can come up with a modification to flatten blood sugar after ... also, what insulin is overing olunch for her? morning N or a dose of Humalog or R?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:51:34 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
I am trying cheese sandwiches and a unit extra of NPH, and her figures are a bit better.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:51:52 Eastern US
sharon (2 kids with D) from 165.247.26.193
ok, must go do the first of the nite checks, and maybe sneak in a little tv watching. night all. thanks for the chat :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:52:41 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
night Sharon

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:53:10 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Betty, any plans to update Sweet Kids?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:53:31 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
I still haven't gotten my copy of sweet kids!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:53:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
night Sharon - thanks for joining in tonight!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:53:45 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
Hello

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:53:59 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
1 unit H and 6 unit NPH, always a piece of fruit, apple or orange and a biscuit for little lunch and always grain bread with a salad filling of some sort.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:54:12 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1 ) from 164.106.22.59
I have to leave also, goodnight everyone

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:54:23 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
Night Sharon

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:54:39 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Hi Brenda.
Connie, it's a GREAT book. There should be one called Sweet Adults.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:54:46 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
I have been eating a mostly vegetarian diet. Are stomach pains a common problem?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:54:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Ellen, Dr. Rubin and I want to update it but have to resolve these problems with ADA about keeping the book available before we go to the time and effecrt. It needs updating badly - with info about Humalog and pumps.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:54:47 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.59
Hello Brenda

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:54:50 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Heidyn forgot to ask, have you started pumping yet?

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:55:44 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Ellen - that's great!! I'm actually working on a series of little books for adults now called "Sweet Talk!!" You read my mind!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:56:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Brenda, have the pains come on suddenly? That can happen if you greatly increase your fiber intake quite suddenly.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:57:11 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Night Heidyn -

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:57:37 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
Yes..I am sure it is the fiber intake.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:57:39 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Betty, so few doctors are out there telling people to figure out what they want to eat, and take insulin accordingly. It should be the norm.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:58:09 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Brenda, are you consuming many products with sorbitol or other artificial sweetners? They can also cause a lot of stomach distress.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:58:47 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
Ellen...hi...I have eaten some sugar free candy by Russell Stovers.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:58:51 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Ellen, my family doctor taught me that years ago!

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:59:08 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
Splenda is the only other sugar I use.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:59:34 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Connie, you're the empowered type, you wouldn't go to a doctor that didn't prescribe that method. :-)

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:59:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Tracey, that looks likea pretty good match of total carbohdyrate for Rebekah's N dose -- perhaps slowing down the digestion with more fat (like the cheese you've been trying, or peanut butter, as opposed to a sald filling) will flatten out the peak of carbs, making it a better match for the pattern of the NPH insulin.

Mon Mar 19 2001 21:59:38 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.57
I never could see the point of feeding the insulin and have always given insulin according to what she has eaten

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:00:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
If you're pretty sure it's the big increase in fiber that's got your stomach in a tizzy, Brenda, yu might try cutting back - wait for the pains to subside, drink lots of water to make sure you can move the fiber through, and then when you;re feeling better, bring the fiber back up grdually.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:00:39 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Ellen you know tooo much about me!!! My parents taught me that!!LOL

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:01:00 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.58
She has got cheese today, so I will check her figures and see if there is any difference.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:01:03 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Betty - when Lantus hits the market, you'll have to revamp the books again.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:01:40 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
Problem is, most type 2's don't drink enough water...In fact my glucophage xr makes me less hungry and thirsty.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:02:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
That's a great point about the sugar-free candy - not only does it NOT usually help blood sugar control, but it can defnitely cause a belly ache and/ordiarrhea if eaten in substantial amounts -- sorbitol and mannitol are the most common culprits.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:02:25 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
That's interesting Brenda that the glucophage xr makes you less hungry. Did you have stomach problems with glucophage before? I've heard many who have had bloating from it.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:02:31 Eastern US
Susie from 207.29.206.68
Betty, my dr. gave me the same advice re: fiber and water, just last week. I don't drink much fluid and I was religiously following the gi with lots of whole grains....

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:03:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Glucopgae can defnitely diminish appetite - at kleast temporarily. Have you tried just carrying a bottle of water - or keeping a pitcher with lemon slices int he fridge

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:03:45 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
No problems with bloating or anything like that...Actually, I believe I could go all day without eating...that is the effect the glucophage has on me..of course, you don't often have lows on it, but you can if you don't eat.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:04:05 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Betty, lots of little kids first diagnosed seem to get stomach aches because of all the well intentioned relatives who immediately flood the kids with "sugar free" candies so the kids won't be "deprived". *sigh*

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:04:35 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Lemon, that's what I forgot today at the market!!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:04:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Yikes, Susie -- down that road - constipation!! Fiber tends to need/attract a lot of water to the bowel -- if there isn't enough water around, the fiber tend to pull moisture out of other waste in the gut -- with unfortunate consequences!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:04:59 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
My work schedule also isn't too good for drinking water...It isn't feasible to carry water around at kindergarten.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:06:05 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Brenda you can get a pouch for a water jug that can be carried with you!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:06:11 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
** big sigh** if there were one message I wish we could share with the well-intentioned relatives and healthcare providers of the world - it's that sugar is OK - no need for deprivation, guilt or shame - just learn how to count it

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:06:13 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
I buy sport pack bottled water by the case so I always have water with me...only problem is that there are no government regulations on bottled water :-(.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:06:23 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Bike riders use them all the time

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:06:42 Eastern US
Susie from 207.29.206.68
I had been feeling uncomfortable for a few weeks and finally went to the dr. who was very concerned. has me drinking more and staying away from certain low gi foods. I protested loudly since my bg has been so good!!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:07:15 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Betty, my parents never believed in sweetners! I was lucky!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:07:18 Eastern US
Brenda (Type 2) from 166.72.148.141
Thanks for the chat...housework calls to me ...Good night, all.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:07:19 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
My son loves to drink a 52 oz BIG GULP cup of seltzer....he looks distended shortly thereafter.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:07:42 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Good night Brenda.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:07:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Susie, moist low gi foods -- like fresh ruits - should atually help -- it's the heavy grains and dried beans that seem to get some people into trouble if they're not staying well-hydrated.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:08:10 Eastern US
Tracey (Mum of Rebekah 5 dx'd at 4) from 203.108.0.57
Night Brenda

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:08:14 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Betty, we also need the "Sweet Adolescents" book :-)!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:08:16 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
night Brenda

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:09:11 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Well troops, greta chat tonight. Thanks for sharing -- those who want to go on talking for a few, the room will stay open till half past the hour -- be sure to look at the chat calendar for next week -- three great chats!! Night from Phoenix!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:09:30 Eastern US
Susie from 207.29.206.68
this diet thing is so complicated. I just can't seem to get it right!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:09:35 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
Night Betty

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:09:41 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Good night Betty, thank you for your wisdom.
Good night all.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:09:42 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Hallelujah, Ellen!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:09:56 Eastern US
Susie from 207.29.206.68
nite Betty and thanks.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:10:24 Eastern US
BettyB (Food Matters Chat Moderator) from 205.188.198.24
Susie, don't be discouraged. Rely on good sense and your meter -- it's a skill is all - and takes a while to learn

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:10:31 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Susie, it's not the diet that's complicated, it's DIABETES that's complicated :-)!!!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:11:07 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 209.53.87.74
You've got that right Ellen!!!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:12:04 Eastern US
Susie from 207.29.206.68
Ellen, I can't help feeling that it's my body that is betraying me. I often wish that I didn't have to eat!!!!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:12:40 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
sorry, i know i'm late, but i just saw the announcement

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:13:35 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Susie, think your team is betraying you, not your body.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:13:45 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Hi Sarah.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:13:48 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
i really feel that it is healthy to limit the amt. of meat, but i always run out of meal ideas

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:14:25 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Sarah, KS?

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:14:28 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
Hi Ellen!

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:14:49 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
sorry, what does KS mean?

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:15:02 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Sarah, my 13 year old has been vegetarian for 5 years. He never runs out of food ideas, but he's really open to trying lots of different foods.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:15:15 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
kansas?

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:15:59 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
no, I'm in Toronto, Canada

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:16:24 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
what made him go vegetarian?

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:18:01 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
In second grade he read a little novel called EAT! by Kroll. In the story a little boy discovers where all the pigs are going (to the slaughterhouse) and the boy decides to become vegetarian and all his friends tried to get him to go back to eating meat. My son announced that day that he's never eating meat, chicken or fish again, and he hasn't. He's in 7th grade now, growing beautifully, healthy etc.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:19:44 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
wow! that's determination! i come from a family of vegetarians, but i still eat some meat. I don't know if i'm totally ready to go veggie, but i really enjoy exploring different meal ideas

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:21:13 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
He does still eat eggs (he claims they aren't fertilized and it doesn't kill the chicken to eat them) and he drinks milk because it doesn't kill the cow to give milk. One science teacher told him that "eggs are just liquid chicken" but he didn't care. I support his being vegetarian, even though the rest of our family is not.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:23:08 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
yeah, that's the way i view things; my family is kind of iffy about the whole issue, but they try! Has he noticed any changes in his blood sugars,or activity> has he ever developed a low iron count?

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Mon Mar 19 2001 22:25:17 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
He's been vegetarian so long, I can't recall. He pretty much went veg within 6 months of going on the pump. The pump helped him have more energy. I don't recall him ever having a low iron count.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:25:49 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 5.5 yrs) from 205.188.200.137
Sara, looks like they want to close this room and I need to head to bed. There are probably parents in the parents room if you want to keep chatting. Good night for now.

Mon Mar 19 2001 22:26:27 Eastern US
sarah (dx'd 2 years ago, pump user) from 24.112.158.2
thanks for all your answers! i really appreciate an feedback i can get! bye!



                 
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