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Transcript of Halloween Chat from October 19, 1999

Tue Oct 19 1999 20:22:00 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
The special chat on Halloween will begin at 21:00 Eastern US.

Tue Oct 19 1999 20:42:06 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (steph@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 63.20.15.182
I'm here

Tue Oct 19 1999 20:42:45 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (steph@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 63.20.15.182
Gonna leave and come back in a bit

Tue Oct 19 1999 20:57:03 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
We'll be starting the special Halloween chat in about five minutes.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:01:47 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Good evening everyone. Tonight we're here to talk about Halloween and diabetes.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:02:44 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
Anyone here?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:03:19 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Hi Maureen.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:03:29 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
we are

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:03:49 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
hi Maureen

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:03:54 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Good evening Steph.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:04:41 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
Maureen, do you have diabetes or does your child?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:04:42 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Maureen, how old is your child?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:04:48 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
hi Jeff

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:04:53 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
Hi Steph and Jeff.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:05:08 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
hi Brenda

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:05:36 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
Hi Brenda, I haven't seen you in a while. I'm "Megan" from Ohio State. I'm 21 dx at 16... and procrasting homework right now :-)

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:05:44 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
Hello?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:06:42 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
hi donna

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:06:49 Eastern US
Brenda H. from 10.0.1.3
I thought that was you Maureen.
Hi Donna, will Rachel will be trick or treating this year? If so, how do you plan to deal with the loads of goodies?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:07:08 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
Since I was older, I never really had a problem with Halloween. I always go low while I'm actually Trick-or-treating with the kids (either siblings or kids I'm watching), but this year I'll be able to temp. basal rate!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:07:48 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
Hi Donna

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:07:56 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
I took the easy way out this year for Halloween. We are going camping instead. Gave Rachel her choice. I hope this wasn't a bad decision. I figure she has many more Halloween's to look forward to.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:08:32 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
I think Marissa has had a few lows over the yrs, nothing serious.
We never give out candy--usually stuff from the Oriental Trading Co. catalog--pencils, erasers, glow-in-the-cark bugs, eyeballs, etc.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:09:05 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
3 is still pretty young and they never seem to make it to many houses anyway.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:09:50 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
Evening everyone

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:09:59 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
Last year I let her go trick-or-treating. She was just 2 yrs so probably didn't understand it all. But she did eat candy that nite, then it mysteriously disappeared overnight!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:10:32 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
hi susanne

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:10:38 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Hello.... We always let Dave do Trick or Treat, but rationed the candy out over many months. He always enjoyed the d support group Halloween parties. In fact, that's about the only one of their activities we attended.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:10:48 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
where in MI are you

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:11:01 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
They are never bad lows, but the first year it was also my first full day at home after dx, and hense my first low outside of the hospital.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:11:07 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Our local ADA office usually has an exchange program. We take about 75% of what ALL 3 kids collect and turn it in. Get some coupons and sugar-free stuff in exchange. Don't know if they plan to do it this year. I've always said I'd take stuff to a local hospital, pediatric unit. One year I called 3 hospitals and they had a total of 3 patients, one was a newborn. Don't know what I ended up doing.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:11:38 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
There's a new book entitled "Trick-or-Treat for Diabetes" by Kim Gosselin. For a review, see:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_06_a00.htm#trickortreat

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:11:49 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
I'm over in SW Mi. Between Elkart, Kalamazoo and Battle Creek. We saw Nicole Johnson last week in Battle Creek.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:11:58 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
I do let Rach have candy at times though. My feeling is that it is better to let her have some in moderation rather than denying it altogther.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:12:24 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Here's Brenda's review:

Kim Gosselin's "Trick-Or-Treat for Diabetes" is an excellent book about what kids' feelings are about Halloween. In the story, a newly diagnosed young girl is disappointed when she thinks she cannot go trick-or-treating because she can't eat the tons of candy. Her mother remembers how she felt about Halloween when she was a child; it's not just the candy, but the whole experience that made it so enjoyable. So, the mom allows her daughter to get a costume and collect candy. She saves some of the candy for "lows," plans to take some to the nurse for "lows," and sells the rest to her mother. There is one minor drawback to the book--when the girl is out trick-or-treating, she tests, is low and eats a chocolate bar. Children should be advised that other candies, such as Smarties, Life Savers, and such are a much better choice when low. The fat in a chocolate bar can slow
down the absorption of the sugar.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:13:05 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
Mary saves her candy for lows. LOL. The kindergarten teacher was suprosed a couple of years ago at the "stach" she had. She brought her candy box in to show the class one day.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:13:48 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
sorry suprised rather than suprosed.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:14:23 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Susanne, do you have any other children? If so, what do they do with their stuff? Hide it? Eat it when Mary isn't around? Just curious.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:14:43 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
Maureen were coming to Columbus for a Halloween Kids party with the kids Mary has gone to camp with

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:14:48 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
In the OLDEN days - when I was still in charge of things - Halloween candy lasted until Xmas, Xmas candy until Valentine's, Valentine's until Easter, etc!!! Now all would be gone the first day.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:15:04 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
Rachel is really scared of people dressed in costumes anyway right now. My husband had to take her to the car to eat dinner a few months ago because there was a "character" at the restaurant.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:16:37 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
My kids when they were younger didn't eat A LOT of candy. Now the older 2 just eat it as they get candy, so it never makes it home. With Mary we, let her have some candy year round, and thus it is not a big issue. and sometimes I cover the candy with Humalog.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:16:52 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Trick or Treating is not the same as it was anyway, since you have to be very aware of where your child goes. I know we used to have kids brought into our neighborhood from the other side of town!!!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:17:03 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
Is it a D Halloween party? I think I've heard things about it.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:17:48 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
It is at the Park of Roses and sponsored by Central Ohio Diabetes Association.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:18:24 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
We're (less Jeff) going to a JDF Halloween party this Friday. First time I'd ever heard they have them. Used to go to a big one in D.C. when we lived near there.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:19:13 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Judith, is David going out this year? Marissa is, but I'd like to see this be her last year.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:19:20 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
Yes! I was thinking of going, I live less than 2 miles away from it.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:20:37 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
We've always had certain neighbors get something special for Marissa--pencils, books, Carefree/Extra gum.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:20:46 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
I'd love to meet you Maureen. Call Darlene at CODA and I'm sure that your more than welcome to come. Its for kids 3-l2 but your a kid at heart.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:20:54 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
I think 12 was the last year I was allowed to go out (and I wasn't dx) as a Trick-or-treater (I always helped with siblings but wasn't allowed to myself).

I think it is run by a lady named Darelene. I was supposted to help with the D camp this summer, but things got mixed up. I'm going to a support group she runs tomarrow night.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:21:19 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
Brenda, that is nice that people can be so thoughtful!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:21:41 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
LOL susanne, I think you might become the first "on line" person I meet. What day is it?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:21:57 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
Mary has a Haloween breakfast at her school and they will not be having candy at school this year.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:22:44 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
If you give them gentle reminders a month in advance, yours might be just as thoughtful. I'm sure they don't even think twice about buying candy. The candy bags are spilling over in the stores' aisles.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:23:09 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
It is Sunday afternoon from 2-4 I think. Mary has gone to day camp the last 3 years there. Some of my best friends are from CWD

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:23:25 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Dave has not gone for several years. We live out in the country and no one goes out here. He's wanted to go back into town with friends, but he is SO tall.... Afraid he'd not be considered a kid. Almost 14 now, and about 5'10"...so should NOT be out!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:24:12 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
We had a couple neighbors in town that would do special things for Dave....or just give apples or pennies, or toys to ALL the kids.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:24:16 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
In many of our local schools, they have a "Harvest Party" rather than a Halloween party. Cincinnati is a really strange area--a church on every corner--and some of the churches/religions frown upon Halloween.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:24:46 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
Judith maybe you could have a boy-girl haloween party at your house instead. LOL

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:25:51 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
CODA Kids' Camp? That was what I was supposed to be at, but wasn't able to in the end. I might be working, but I could always bring the kids with me... hmmm talk about ironic, Sunday is my dx annervery.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:25:59 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Hey Judith, a quick ? off the subject? How is Megan? I heard she was in a car accident and has a few broken limbs and sprains. Is she ok?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:26:05 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
No Brenda I live in the church on every corner. A few years ago our county had 131 churches for a population of 50,000

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:27:04 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Steph, what do you recommend to families who have newly diagnosed kids?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:28:22 Eastern US
Brenda from 63.27.191.113
Jeff...I don't mean to butt in, but I have news that some might want to know...May I post it?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:28:55 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Brenda, what's the news?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:30:14 Eastern US
Brenda from 63.27.191.113
Gina who chats often in the parents room mother passed away on Saturday and was buried today...There are several that chat with her...I thought they might want to know...and if you do already, I had rather you know twice than not at all.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:30:24 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
we always told them that the kids should enjoy Halloween like the others. Parents can "buy" back unwanted candy, etc. The ADA in KC always had a BIG halloween party on that night so that made things a lot easier. In this day and age of meters and Humalog, the issues aren't nearly as difficult as they used to be. I'd say let them enjoy -- paln ahead with extra monitoring and extra insulin if need be. NO kid needs to eat a whole "stash" of candy at once!!!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:30:34 Eastern US
Brenda from 63.27.191.113
That's all....Bye.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:30:35 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Thanks for asking, BrendaH. She's doing well. Has casts on L hand, R leg....using a walker. Had a mild concussion, but mentally seems fine (amnesia for the accident, which may be a blessing) VERY scary. Was wearing seat belt, sitting with legs on seat, crossed. Would have been crushed if down.... BRB

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:31:02 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
Susanne, this Sunday or Halloween Sunday?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:31:17 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
I'm sorry to hear that Gina.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:31:54 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
I haven't seen Gina for a long time, but I knew that both of her parents were in ill health. That's too bad.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:32:06 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Here's some carb counts for candies your kids might get (thanks to Brenda for going to the store):

Baby Ruth - 1 fun size - 17g CHO
Blow Pop sucker - 13g CHO
Dum Dum suckers - 5g CHO each
Hershey's Kisses - 9 kisses - 24g CHO
Hershey's Milk Chocolate bar (snack size) - 1 bar - 10g CHO
Kit Kat bar - 1 3 piece bar - 10g CHO
M&M's - "Halloween" mini box - 10g CHO
M&M's - 1 mini pack - 15g CHO for plain, 13g CHO for peanut
Milky Way - mini - 14g CHO
Nestle's Crunch - 4 mini bars - 26g CHO
Snicker's - fun size - 1 - 12g CHO
3 Musketeers - fun size - 1 - 13g CHO
Reese's Mini Peanut Butter cups - 5 - 22g CHO
Reese's Peanut Butter cup - 1 - about 9g CHO (4 are 37g)
Skittles - mini pack - 17.5g CHO
Sweet Tarts - mini packs - 5 packs - 13g CHO
Tootsie Pop - 1 - 16g CHO
Tootsie Roll midgets - 12 - 30g CHO
Tootsie Rolls - 2 bars (28g) - 23g CHO
Warheads - 5 - 13g CHO
Whoppers - 1 small pouch - 16g CHO
Wonka Pixie Stix - each (about 6 in. in length) - 2g CHO

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:32:17 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
Halloween Sunday Maureen. We're coming down for the football game on Saturday too.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:32:58 Eastern US
Linda/So. Utah from 216.190.28.33
I think that all parents should make the ultimate sacrifice and eat all the miniature candy bars for their children...it's the very least we can do...:-)

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:33:13 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
Jeff that list makes me hungry.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:33:42 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Linda: I agree, and I sacrifice myself for the greater good. Especially the Hershey's dark chocolate miniatures.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:33:51 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
and I'm sure the kids would love that:)

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:34:24 Eastern US
Linda/So. Utah from 216.190.28.33
I pressed Kim too much about her bag of candy the first year...she hadn't had it long enough to freely give it up, for any reason...

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:34:38 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Linda, Jeff used to take goodies into his office. Now, he works here at home a lot which means the candy could sit right here between our computers!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:34:40 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
:)

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:35:24 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
8=)

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:35:43 Eastern US
Linda/So. Utah from 216.190.28.33
Any candy eaten in behalf of our children has no ill effects on parents...especially weight gain!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:35:51 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Steph--did you see my review of the "Trick-or-Treat for Diabetes)? The girl in the story uses a choc. bar to treat a low. Personally, we don't recommend that type of candy. What is your professional opinion?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:36:35 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
I think as a parent we can plan for Haloween, it is the birthday parties at school that we do not know about ahead of time that can cause more challenges for us

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:37:02 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
It's funny to me that I now go snack shopping BECAUSE Rachel has diabetes (things like Teddy Grahams, Animal Crackers, etc.). She sure does not miss out on anything.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:37:18 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
you're right Brenda -- fatin choc slows down the absorption of sugar. If your child wants to eat choc when low, use something "quick" first and use the choc to keep the BS up afterward

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:39:12 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
I try to do pure sugar things, but there have been several occassions where I've been really out of it and DEMANDED to have choc. SOmetimes I don't understand my thinking when I'm low.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:39:32 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
We used to have a plan for parties: do a blood test first and get some Humalog if high, even if that meant I had to go to the school to give the extra shot.
A few years ago Pepperidge Farm had little packages of Fish crackers that I got for some of the toddlers. Nabisco and the others (can't think of any others!) should do this packaging all the time. My kids love those packs of Oreos and Chips Ahoy, etc., but 6 cookies is way too many.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:40:16 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
Steph, oh boy...does that mean they get to have Sweet Tarts....then a choc bar? lol

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:40:44 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
yup

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:40:51 Eastern US
Wanda from 152.163.204.51
Hello, Sorry I am late

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:41:25 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Well, they really should have glucose tabs or gel, but what would YOU choose? LOL

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:42:18 Eastern US
Wanda from 152.163.204.51
Will all the up coming Halloween parties, Is there any candy that Kaitlyn can have that is "better" than another?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:42:25 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
But try and explain to a teacher that a chocolate candy bar will absorb slower than juice. LOL.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:42:50 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Wanda, if you count carbs, you can offer any candy --in moderation.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:44:10 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
the sweet tarts will onlt last about 30 min and then if insulin is peaking the BS will crash again. You can use the choc instead of the peanut butter sandwich. WE used to tell people to use the minature Snickers. They work great because

We used to tell people they can use the miniature Snickers as follow-up or for exercise because they contain carb, pro, and fat they work great. Notice I said "MINIATURE"

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:44:12 Eastern US
susanne MI (Mary 7 dx at 4) from 207.89.168.37
Good chatting with you all. Hubby "needs" me to come watch baseball

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:44:19 Eastern US
Wanda from 152.163.204.51
Yes, Jeff..We do count carbs. This is our first Haloween since being dx. so I am really confused about what I can and can not do.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:44:54 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
I used to try to attend the parties, make sure there is a sugar-free drink, and the opportunity to have an unfrosted cookie or cupcake.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:45:00 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
See you, Susanne.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:45:37 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
LOL, I've had gel once (I had a taste, decided it was awful, and squirted some into my friend's mouth when she tried to explain why I needed to eat it) the time I ate a tab I sprayed it all over the person who handed it to me and told her it was the most awful candy ever!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:46:39 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
the new fruit flavored glucose tabs from Can-Am or Reli-ON taste great!! They teaste like Sweet Tarts

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:46:53 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Timothy's Kindergarten class is supposed to be having a party, but I don't have a clue if there will be any food. On day one the teacher explained that there are many food allergies this year. Gotta avoid those foods containing peanuts or parts thereof these days!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:47:23 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Wanda, if you count carbs and use Humalog, your child can eat any candy--just cover it with the right amount of Humalog.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:47:38 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
So far the few times that Rachel was really low, we were still able to get her to drink juice. I'm a bit confused on the glucose tabs. How many would I need to give her to raise her bs?

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:48:14 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
probably 1 or 2 big ones

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:48:50 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
that is about 10 grams of Carb

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:49:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
I thick the Can-Am tabs are 4 grams each

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:49:26 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Donna, the square BD tabs are 5g carb each. Round tabs are 4g each.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:49:38 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
Thanks. Actually, I don't even have any. I should buy some to keep with us when we are out of the house.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:49:49 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
Jeff, Kaitlyn only gets Humalog in the morning. (she is on 4 different kinds of insulin) She is on a basic sliding scale, I am not quite sure how much to give to cover candy. This year will be hard but hopefully next year will be better.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:50:19 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
The problem is they are so large, but I suppose they can be broken in half.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:50:19 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Kids at camp loved the Can-Am ones...sold under MANY different names....at KMart, WalMart, etc. SO good that Dave would eat them for candy!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:51:05 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
One day Kaitlyn's b.g. was 26, she ate about 10 glucose tabs!!!!That really brought her up

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:51:15 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
Wanda about 1/4 -1/2 U/ Carb sshould work in a child Rachels' age

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:51:27 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
I know the president of Can-Am. I'll share with him everyone's praise for his products.

By the way, he has two young sons with Type 1.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:52:25 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Didn't know that, Jeff. He DOES have a good product...but perhaps TOO tasty! LOL

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:52:37 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
I kinda avoided them because they are so large. But I suppose I could break them in half. (I still cut grapes in half for Rachel, and hot dogs, anything round.....guess I am a bit of a worrier!)

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:52:58 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
When Marissa was a toddler we used small tubes of cake mate for lows (DON'T use the colored ones when vomiting is involved--live and learn). I recently got a few tubes for severe lows, but a couple turned up empty within a week. HMMM??

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:53:01 Eastern US
Maureen from 24.31.186.61
I might have to try the Can-Am ones... not when I'm low for the first time. I can be quite fiesty when I'm low.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:53:04 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
eating more will not make the glucose tabs work any faster. You need to monitor every 15 - 10 min unti you see the rise. Eating more will only shoot the BS sky high and the effect of the glucose won't last.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:53:19 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Donna, we still break them in half on occasion.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:53:40 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
You are a smart mom, Donna. Hot dogs and grapes are top causes of choking in kids.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:54:17 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
The Can-Am (sold under the ReliOn brand at WalMart) tabs come in grape, orange and fruit punch.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:55:11 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Others make raspberry and the BD tabs are orange.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:55:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
Raspberry and Lemon too I believe

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:55:37 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Yes, should use the small tubes of decorating gel, rather than frosting, as the latter has fat. The gels are glucose/dextrose. (Be sure to open one to be certain the tips do not have to be cut off. Would be very frustrating in an emergency, if you didn't have your pocket knife!)

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:56:17 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
Steph, I know I should not of giving her so many, but I panic very easily, and that is what I did.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:56:29 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Oh...fruit punch is one I've not seen. We've had grape, orange, lemon and raspberry at camp. The last was most popular, with grape a close second.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:56:49 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
Wanda been ther done that myself!!!!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:57:15 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Jeff says fruit punch is only at WalMart.

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:57:45 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
Judith, Thanks for that reminder...Cutting the tip off, I did buy some of that gel (cake gel) but didn't even think to cut the top off. I will do that tonight

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:58:35 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Some kinds of cake gel are already open under the cap. Just check to be sure....

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:59:40 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Can-Am was very generous about donating lots of tabs for the Russian kids. I'm glad to promote their products!

Tue Oct 19 1999 21:59:59 Eastern US
Diane(TX) (Amanda(13) dx'd 12/98) from 205.188.195.27
Hello Everyone! Is this a new room??

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:00:57 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
Hello Diane

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:01:03 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
welcome Diane

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:01:11 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
When do you all use cake icing. Would that be if your child can't/won't drink juice or something? I tried to give it to Rachel one time when she was having a scary low in the early morning, and she almost gagged on it.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:01:37 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Diane, this is a special chat about Halloween.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:02:39 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
put in in between her gum and cheeek (in the very corner). It will get absorbed that way and she doesn.t have to swallow it.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:03:24 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
Donna, That is the reason why I have it. I did buy the glucose gel, which Kaitlyn gagged on. Sometimes she may be so low, she doesnt want to drink, so at least we have gel.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:03:24 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Would use it if the child was too out of it to drink juice safely. COULD even use it if unconcscious, if she was lying on her side and you just put a small amount into the pocket of her cheek on the "down" side of her face....or rubbed some into her gums.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:04:39 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
Does any one have the book, "trick or treating with diabetes"

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:04:50 Eastern US
Donna (Rachel, 3 yrs., dx'd at 14 mo)) from 152.163.195.191
That is good to know.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:04:59 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Do you let your kids eat candy while they're out? Any suggestions for the older kids, who go off on their own?

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:05:15 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Wanda: Yes, I have the book sitting right by my side.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:05:18 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
that's right judith. The nice thing about the cake gek is taht you can actually stick the tube and all in there and then sqeeze a little bit at a time

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:06:06 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
LOL with the ollder ones they should know how to handle things!!! BUT all bets off!!!

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:07:34 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
With the older kids, would just want to be sure that someone with them knows how to recognize and treat a low....though one is NOT too likely! LOL

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:07:40 Eastern US
Diane(TX) (Amanda(13) dx'd 12/98) from 205.188.195.27
This is our first Halloween since being dx'd. Amanda has talked about having a sugar free party. Told her to wait until New Years and we'll celebrate her one yr. diagnosis!

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:08:32 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Sugar free Halloween party sounds like fun at that age...and not too hard. Could do pizza, chips, diet drinks.....

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:09:13 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Would she and her friends like to wear costumes? That was Dave's favorite part (ok, costumes AND candy!)

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:09:16 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Diane, earlier we were discussing the use of carb counting and how you could work the sweets into the diet.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:09:25 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
The way I am, I will hide behind the trees when Kaitlyn gets older so I can watch her!!!:-)LOL
Diane..This is our first year to!!!

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:10:15 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Judith, how does David do with pizza?
How about Amanda?
Marissa doesn't really like it and 2 bites is all the pizza she consumes. Anyway, I have heard that it can cause the BS to go way up.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:11:31 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
So many variations with pizza: thickness of crust, amount of fat in the cheese, sugar in the tomato sauce, etc. He's not a huge eater of pizza. The fat does seem to keep him up....but then hard to tell, when he's high most of the time anyway.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:11:58 Eastern US
Diane(TX) (Amanda(13) dx'd 12/98) from 205.188.195.27
She likes pizza and she knows exactly how much she can eat.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:12:13 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
Kaitlyn eats all but the crust, and her numbers are (usually) pretty good after

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:12:51 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Marissa's been having lots of highs for about 3 weeks--I'm blaming puberty and a few other valid reasons (forgetting to bolus, a kink in her pump tubing).

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:12:58 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Lately I've been having him add 1uR to his supper H when he has pizza. Seems to help.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:13:05 Eastern US
Diane(TX) (Amanda(13) dx'd 12/98) from 205.188.195.27
Thin crust and 2 pieces! (cheese)

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:13:50 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
He was high (517) the other morning, because he forgot to give his L at bedtime. Took H to cover his snack....

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:14:10 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Diane, that sounds like the best choice for her.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:14:13 Eastern US
dee (Jesse 4 dxd 9-99) from 204.94.52.197
Hi folks, Should be an interesting Halloween with Jesse having a 5 yr old brother. I started a week ago doing all the decorating ect hoping to burn them out by the time the big day gets here. I wish I could get that book by Halloweeen . Any ideas?

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:14:39 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Lots of stress here the past week with Megan's accident, and I stayed with her in the hospital, so wasn't around to be sure he did what he should.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:14:48 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
I'm working on a page about Halloween, including carb counts for various candies. Here's the link:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0n_c00.htm

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:15:40 Eastern US
Wanda (Kaitlyn 5) from 152.163.204.51
Well, I must say good-bye for now and once again thats for the answers to my questions.
Dee..we bought opurs at "Borders" book store. It sure is a great book

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:15:46 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Dave reads the box (at my insistence), figures the per piece count, decides how much he wants to eat, and "boluses" to cover.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:15:54 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Dee, you can order the book via Amazon. There's a link from our review:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_06_a00.htm#trickortreat

When you order from Amazon through that link, CWD gets a small commission. Please--every little bit helps.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:16:34 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
Jeff Joyce has all that stuff!!! but she's gone for the rest of the week I can it e-mailed to you from one of thte pother dietitians

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:16:41 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Good idea, Jeff. Can you also add how many POUNDS weight gain a certain candy will cause?? LOL

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:17:46 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
Judith: Um, I'd prefer to stay out of that discussion. :-)

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:18:35 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
it's the amount of calaories tht put on the weight not where they come from

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:18:48 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Just thought I needed the info....aversion therappy, you know!

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:19:05 Eastern US
dee (Jesse 4 dxd 9-99) from 204.94.52.197
thanks Jeff. I dont know how I would have stayed sane since the diagnosis without this site. Luckily I live in a small community and will be "planting" halloween treats and toys and then a small party at home. Cant wait to recruit Grandpa to bob for apples.Thanks for the info on the books ect.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:19:18 Eastern US
Diane(TX) (Amanda(13) dx'd 12/98) from 205.188.195.36
bye. need to get to bed

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:20:45 Eastern US
dee (Jesse 4 dxd 9-99) from 204.94.52.197
What is a bolus?

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:20:51 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (jeffh@castleweb.com) from 206.112.197.133
I need to step away for a bit. I'll leave the room open until I get back -- around 23:00. I'll get a transcript up before the weekend.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:20:56 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Bye, Wanda and Diane

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:21:43 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
A bolus is an amount of insulin given to cover a specific amount of carb. Usually refers to that given by pump...but we "bolus" with Humalog and a syringe

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:22:35 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Dee--bolus is usually used by pump users--it's the amount of fast-acting insulin they give themselves to cover the carbs they are eating. Could also work for injection users if you are willing to give background long-acting insulin and H for every meal and snack. Could be lots of injections.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:23:11 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
a bolus is the amount of insulin you tell an insulin pump to give for a meal or sanck.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:23:26 Eastern US
dee (Jesse 4 dxd 9-99) from 204.94.52.197
Thanks - I got a 4 yr old to get off to bed. Will try to return later myself. We have a Dr. appt tomorrow and will find out bout Jesses bolus even though he seems to be "honeymooning". Thanks for your help.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:23:55 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
Brenda I'm going to say good-night

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:24:02 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
We have learned by trial and error how much insulin Dave needs to "cover" a particular amount of carb...depending on time of day and other factors. That helps us determine the correct bolus (dose) of insulin to give.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:24:48 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, diagnosed at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.125
Goodnight, all.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:24:53 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
OK, I'll check back in a few to see if anyone is still here.
Bye and thanks Steph.
Bye Dee.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:25:14 Eastern US
Gene (Seth 4 yrs. dxd @ 14 mnths.) from 205.188.193.187
Hi all

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:25:21 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE (stephs@childrenwithdiabetes.com) from 24.131.12.228
ggod night and Happy Halloween!!!
Good luck to all of you and your "Sweet Kids"

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:25:40 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
Seth we were closing down, but I will stay if you want to discuss Halloween.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:26:58 Eastern US
Gene (Seth 4 yrs. dxd @ 14 mnths.) from 205.188.193.187
No problem,I'll go over to "parents" room. Thanks

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:27:24 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
There's no one there right now.
Is Seth going to trick or treat?

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:28:43 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
I'll wait a few min. then I need to do a few things, including retesting Marissa. She was 62 about 24 min. ago. Need to make sure she's a bit higher before she's sound asleep.

Tue Oct 19 1999 22:31:09 Eastern US
Brenda H. (Marissa, 12, dx'd at 24mos.) from 10.0.1.3
ooops, Gene, realize I called you Seth. Must be getting cross-eyed from sitting here too long. BYE



                 
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