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Transcript of School Chat from August 16, 1999

On August 16, 1999, Diabetes Nurse Specialist Stephanie Schwartz hosted a special chat session about diabetes at school. The transcript of that session is shown below. Much of the information referenced during the chat can be found in the Diabetes at School section of this web site. Forms for schools can be found in Diabetes Management at School.

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:47:02 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
I'm here

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:48:05 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Jeff?

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:48:17 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Hi Steph.

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:48:37 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
hi

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:49:47 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
hi there and welcome

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:49:52 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
hi jeff how old are you i am 9

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:49:55 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Good evening Savannah. We'll start here in about 10 minutes.

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:50:31 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Savannah: I have a 12 year old daughter who has Type 1. I built and run this web site.

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:50:36 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
hi steph how old are you i am 9

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:51:05 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
what would you like to know about school savannah?

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:51:29 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
Hello everyone!

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:51:36 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
I'm a diabetes nurse here at Children with Diabetes

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:51:46 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
i just want to chat

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:51:53 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
welcome cassie

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:52:10 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
i do not have d

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:52:11 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
I am 12 1/2 years old!

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:52:18 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Savannah: This is a special chat session for parents of kids with diabetes. If you want to "just chat," you'll need to find another room.

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:52:26 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
ok savannah we're going to be talking to mostly grown-ups about diabetes at school

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:52:35 Eastern US
Nancy from 216.67.42.48
this is my first time on a chat. my 9 year old son was just diagnosed with type 1 in July. I need help with what to do at school

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:52:48 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Kids are welcome here as long as we keep the discussion related to diabetes at school.

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:52:50 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
I have diabetes! I take pills!

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:52:58 Eastern US
Cindy (Melissa, 9) from 208.250.97.110
Hello everyone

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:53:08 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Cassie do you have a question about school?

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:53:22 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Hi Cindy

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:53:44 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
hi cassie

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:53:59 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Cassie: Do you have Type 1 diabetes?

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:53:59 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Hello all of you, Steph, Jeff, Cassie. Iīm from Argentina and I would like to share this chat with you.

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:54:03 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
how long have you had diabetes cassie/

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:54:26 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
welcome alicia Buenos Nochas

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:55:24 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
I have had diabetes for 1 year! I got it last year!

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:55:37 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Buenas Noches Steph. Do you speak Spanish?
:-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:55:39 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Buenas Noches Steph. Do you speak Spanish?
:-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:55:53 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
we should be getting started in a few min any questions for me ?

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:56:12 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
not really alicia just trying to be friendly

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:56:31 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
how old are all of you

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:56:39 Eastern US
Nancy from 216.67.42.48
Steph what forms, etc. do I need for my sons school?

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:57:13 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
does any one want to chat with me

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:57:20 Eastern US
Cindy (Melissa, 9) from 208.250.97.110
Steph- I have been reading things about testing in the classroom vs. going to the nurse- do you have any recommendations

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:57:21 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
we have them posted on the website and Jeff has a link above to Diabetes at School -- the forms are there

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:57:57 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
Hey Savannah let's go to pre-teens!

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:58:08 Eastern US
Kate from 209.165.3.194
Hi everyone.
Alicia, I speak Spanish, if you need a translator

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:58:12 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Diabetes Management at School
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0q_500.htm

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:58:14 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Cindy I would set up a meeting with you, Melissa and school personnel to decide together what will work best for all of you

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:58:22 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
nancy this is for kids only

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:58:25 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Thanks Steph! But itīs never late. You may learn Spanish someday

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:58:35 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
hi all, probably just listening tonight to find out anything i might be missing for school

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:59:13 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
I donīt know how this special session works. Can we ask questions to all the people chatting here?

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:59:17 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
hello there Leann how's the pump?

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:59:30 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
yes alicia

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:59:44 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
hi all

Mon Aug 16 1999 20:59:47 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
Alex loves his pump! we are still adjusting some rates but it is going great.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:00:00 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
is anyone here i guess not

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:00:20 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
hi

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:00:35 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
glad to hear that!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:00:35 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
It's time to start the school chat. We have Steph Schwartz, Diabetes Nurse Educator, to answer questions about diabetes at school.

For reference, we have a new section about Diabetes at School, including forms. See:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0q_500.htm

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:00:43 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Hi everyone :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:00:48 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
hi savannah,

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:01:08 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Sebastian is 11 and was dxd 3 years ago. But heīs never tested at school since he is only 4 hours there.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:01:10 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
hi savannah -- there r grownups here you may want to go to the pre-teen room instead of this one

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:01:22 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Hi Steph - thanks for taking time to talk to us and answer our hundreds of questions!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:01:32 Eastern US
Sharon from 204.60.201.86
Steve started on his pump in July and will be returning to school in two weeks. Any advice, especially regarding P.E. and his pump? I'm afraid to have him disconnect - pump may get "lost" in the locker room.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:01:54 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
I think we are lucky in that the school cooperates completely, but I still find there are times when diabetes related things, like sometimes being late (very few minutes) to a sport workout because of testing... isn't understood.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:01:56 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
I am 12 1/2 years old!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:01:57 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
what is pf

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:02:08 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
boy Alex would love to go to school in Argentina, only 4 hours!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:02:21 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
my son complains with dizziness at school, how concerned should i be that it is something other than trying to get out of school work

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:02:25 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Thanks Sue and thanks for joining us!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:02:51 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
We go for like 6 hours!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:02:53 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
what happens when complains of dizziness?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:03:24 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Yes, only four hours in the morning but then they have extra-class activities in the afternoon :-(

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:03:27 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Hi Kate

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:03:28 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Steph, there is some confusion about what the law provides to help kids with diabetes. In particular, what is a 504 plan? Can you address that?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:03:38 Eastern US
margie from 205.188.198.46
good evening

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:03:52 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
does anyone want to chat with me i am sad no one want to chat with i am cry

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:14 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Steph, do you have any suggestions on how to remind the teachers of the problem? Brendan thinks he has everything under control, but sometimes he gets a poor test score, and then I will go back and check his meter, and the previous reading may have been either very low or very high.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:15 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
nothing really, he just says he feels dizzy and i get him to check and it is sometimes 200 or 300

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:20 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Sharon, Amy has never taken her pump off for P.E. -- they don't get that rough, and she plays one heck of a rough soccer game. But she does suspend, depending upon her bgs. I agree with you having some concerns. Our P.E. lockers do not lock...

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:20 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
Savannah, this is NOT the place for you. You are not a parent, you do not have diabetes.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:28 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
My teachers gave me candy because of dizzy ness!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:33 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
hi margie

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:35 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
savannah please go to one of kids rooms this one is for grownups

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:37 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Kids, please move on to another room. This is a special room for parents to talk about issues related to diabetes at school.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:04:46 Eastern US
Nancy from 216.67.42.48
Step my son has only been low a couple of times, but has complained of headaches only, is that common?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:05:16 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
yes i do

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:05:34 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Since he was dxd heīs only had two lows that needed sugar or a glucose tablet. No problem

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:05:46 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
everyone has his/her own symptoms of being low if that's how he feels leave it at that

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:06:01 Eastern US
savannah from 204.214.24.136
this is of kid to

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:06:22 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Steph, what is the purpose of a 504 plan?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:06:32 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Steph..Ellen was on earlier saying that her son's school nurse seemed to have "grasped" everything Ellen patiently explained, only to conclude by saying " and if he needs this Glucagon, he knows how to do it himself, right?"...GRRRRRRR

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:06:32 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
Savannah let's just go to a other room !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:06:32 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Brendan has always removed his pump for PE and sports. The lockers lock. BUT the pump did get stolen one time. After that, he put it in the coaches office.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:06:36 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Savannah you need to go to the kids room this is grownups ONLY

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:06:44 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
You know Steph teachers are sometimes indifferent sometimes afraid and this makes it quite difficult to teach them how to help a diabetic kid

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:07:21 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
I agree Renee that's scary

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:07:24 Eastern US
margie from 205.188.198.46
my son was dx 4 years ago and was recently given Humalog instead of R to use....we have seen great results in just a few weeks

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:07:38 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
In my elementary school we had no problem!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:07:41 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
Jimmy keeps his pump on during sports.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:07:47 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
One thing we always include in our staff meetings is the fact that a low bgs may affect Amy's ability to perform her best, but that her diabetes is never an excuse not to do her work. Her teachers have been great about allowing her to re-test on the very few occasions that she was low. I have no complaints there at all.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:08:12 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
does your cde/dr help fill out the 504 or is it strictly up to the parents?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:08:16 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
here in our country we don not have a nurse at school. If something happens they phone for an ambulance, but never think of testing bg at school

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:08:30 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
At 13, David does not want me to talk to his teachers or coaches...does not want to be different. But of course for safety reasons they MUST know. Our problem is with things like the tennis team: they start immediately after school, may not be home until 10PM, long bus travel, irregular meal schedule. He would be leaving home at 7AM, getting home at 10PM!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:09:07 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Judith
I hope he's on a flexible insulin treatment plan

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:09:11 Eastern US
lucy from 152.163.207.66
my son is 12, going into 7th dx 1995. how involved should the school be at this point

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:09:45 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Leann your CDE should help

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:10:11 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
Steph, he's on 3-5 shots/day, H, R, and L

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:10:21 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
the school needs to always be involved -- they are legally responsible for him while he's there

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:10:31 Eastern US
Bobbie (Katie (12) DX 6-99) from 208.161.22.120
Katie was dx last week of school. The school will not meet with me until after school starts, should I send her the first day?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:10:44 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Judith, I told Amy she was conducting the meeting this year -- she is not wanting to, but she is old enough that I feel the staff can get a better 'feel' of her if she does the talking.
That is a LONG day!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:10:50 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
hello

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:10:54 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Judith you might want to think about UL or a pump with your team

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:10:56 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
Sue i have the same conference with our teachers, and talk about the lows but i also talk about the highs and the running back and forth to the bathroom.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:10:58 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
responsible or not they try not to be involved.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:11:09 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Judith...I have that problem too. Brendan does not want to be different. Last year at swim meets I nearly went nuts. I would tell him to test. He would agree to...then "forget" He'd test on the way home and be 590...or worse. That is why I want to know how to get the coaches to understand...so they would remind him, discreetly.
Ideas, Steph??

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:11:15 Eastern US
margie from 205.188.198.46
has anyone here had trouble with nocturnal hypoglycemia?? we have had 3 episodes this year....actually the only 3 he has ever had.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:11:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
great idea Sue

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:11:33 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
Good idea, Sue. Doubt Dave would go for it. Boys are different than girls! LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:11:43 Eastern US
lucy from 152.163.207.66
Is just making them aware enough? should he be handling lows and highs on his own?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:11:50 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Bobbie, what is the reason for the untimely meeting?? That is irresponsible on their part! And unfortunate for Katie!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:11:57 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
problem is not all schools even have nurses there every day...Melissa's former school only had a nurse 2 days/ wk...other 3 days she would have been at the "mercy" of the harried secretary if she needed anything!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:11:58 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
margie that can be a problem we are however talking about school issues tonight

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:12:03 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
steph, what do you think about this dizziness, is this normal for some people.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:12:22 Eastern US
margie from 205.188.198.46
Oh...ok sorry

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:12:44 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
Tried UL without success, pump not a viable option at this point for a number of reasons, chief of which that he doesn't want something attached, making him different at all times.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:12:50 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.198
Hello, sorry I'm late!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:12:51 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Renee that law require that someone else learn if there's no nurse there and they must take responsibility they cannot legally waive it

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:13:00 Eastern US
Jessica from 168.191.252.213
I'm not sure what the 504 is all about

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:13:11 Eastern US
Bobbie (Katie (12) DX 6-99) from 208.161.22.120
They said they are in meetings until the first day of school and will set up a meeting after that.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:13:20 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
That is good Rhonda - cover all bases I say. I give them handouts that I've made, in reports folders that they just put in their daily planners. Gives them and subs all they need at their fingertips if they need them.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:13:25 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
that's ok Margie you're more than welcome to stay

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:13:27 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
you may find some teachers or coaches who appear to be more interested. Thatīs all. And Sebastian also has this attitude of hiding his problems

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:13:33 Eastern US
lucy from 152.163.207.66
what is 504

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:13:34 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
i feel like the teacher should be aware and that the kids should know how to take care of themselves but sometime they may not be able to take care of themselves

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:13:48 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
Lucy, problem is that no matter how much the d person knows, when high or low, may not be thinking clearly. Someone else HAS to be responsible.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:14:26 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
sue i did the exact same thing, i give the teachers a notebook full of info each year.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:14:35 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
The teachers at our school have it in their contracts that they don't have to be at school until the day before school starts. They way we get around it is finding out who his teacher is in June. They make the decisions at that time. Our 504 states that the school will forward any and all information I send them to the new teacher to read. So far so good!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:14:37 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
Bobbie, tell them you'd like to attend their meeting!! Good chance to get them all at once.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:14:39 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
judith why are you abandoning savannah from the room

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:14:50 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Kate..I had that problem with Melissa at field hockey..kept her pump off too long without re-hooking and would be in the high 300s at dinnertime..couldn't eat/ couldn't' think to do school work..finally threatened to make her drop out and only THEN did she re-connect mid-way....but not before we had at least 5 nights like that...she might not play this fall which would be fine with me!! LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:14:52 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Jessica the forms are in our new materials there's a link at the top of this page called diabetes at school

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:14:52 Eastern US
lucy from 152.163.207.66
do you recommend regular checks at school or only if necessary?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:15:01 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
The "504 Dietary Plan" is explained at:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0q_5o0.htm

Steph, is there any more to a 504 than that?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:15:30 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
Beware that teachers often don't read what you send!!! Try to keep it brief and to the point. May want to add a picture of your child...esp. for subs, and in upper grades with multiple teachers.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:15:43 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
we stay on a regular testing schedule, morning, lunch, dinner, bedtime. everyday

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:15:51 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
no Jeff that's it

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:16:11 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
the doctors and nurses here recommend checks at school only if necessary. What do you think Steph?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:16:19 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
The problem with meeting with them seems to be this: They listen, they take whatever you bring, and they forget about it. They just think it is like Type II. I am stumped.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:16:21 Eastern US
Jessica from 168.191.252.213
That picture idea is great!!! I may just do that this year

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:17:13 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
504 can address MANY issues...not just food. Can include whatever you want....bathroom issues, testing, insulin, special consideration after lows, etc.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:17:17 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Steph, what, in your opinion, is a reasonable amount of time to try to get the 504 worked out. I have been trying for over six months now and it's still not signed?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:17:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
that's up to you the school and your diabetes team

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:17:23 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Kate: We have the same experience with Marissa's teachers, at least early in the year. They're overwhelmed with the start of the school year, and diabetes takes a back seat. We revisit her care needs at the first parent-teacher conference.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:17:25 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Rhonda, how did they react to all that information? I gave just what was needed, and a brief overview of Amy's pump. Told them additional info was available if they needed/wanted it. Had 3 staff thank me later for taking the time to talk to them, and 2 ask for additional info on diabetes. Unfortunately, I think sometimes we expect too much from teachers, though I wish they could do it all for us when we are not there.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:17:44 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
charla not signed by whom???

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:18:03 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.143
Yes, beware of those who say "I know ALL about d!" They probably have a great aunt with type 2!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:18:04 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
judith are you not going to answer my question

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:18:27 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Well, this year he's doing golf rather than swimming, so he will have the pump on. That's one problem solved. I would like to know what to do about notifying the SAT testers, and what accommodations the law requires them to make.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:18:56 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
wraf are you a growup or a kid???

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:18:57 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
the same here, they listen, they take the papers and materials I take to them and then they forget

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:19:10 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
warf: Please move on to another room.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:19:27 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Me! They said they'd only used approved sub nurses and then used a lady that hadn't, and still hasn't, proven that she is a nurse. No application, no background check, no copy of a nursing license. Just a name and phone number!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:19:34 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Kate he should be allowed to have snacks during the test

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:19:55 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
jeff why are you telling me to move to another room as i do not understand

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:20:23 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Charla I'm sorry I'm not sure I understand your problem

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:20:24 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
We remind them every time we see them, call them,whatever...but they still put it on the back burner. The trouble is, if the kid doesn't have an insulin reaction right there in the room, they assume he's perfectly fine.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:20:48 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.143
Exactly, Kate.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:20:50 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
warf: This is a discussion for parents about issues related to kids with diabetes in school. You are not a parent.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:02 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
I totally agree, sue. but so far i have had good response from the teachers, we have just started with this new teacher but so far so good.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:11 Eastern US
Nuni (Sunny99999@aol.com) from 205.188.197.39
Steph: does this apply to Catholic Schools as well as public schools?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:15 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
very true Kate

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:15 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
What about testing, Steph?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:27 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
jeff oh yes i am a parent to 2 children

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:36 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
I LOVE that picture idea!! Amy will have 8 teachers again this year, plus bus, lunch room, new secretary (our old one was soooooo wonderful!!)and all her various coaches.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:40 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
No Nuni no unless they receive federal funding

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:47 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Kate, I never personally notified the test administrators - thought about in high school and college, but did not - figured that if there was a problem, I would treat and if need be work it out afterward, but... it is prob. a good idea for them to be notified so that if something does come up perhaps extra time could be allowed

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:21:48 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
I agree with you Kate. But itīs not possible to wait until the kid has an insulin reaction

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:00 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
I mean, during the SAT, if he feels low.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:06 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
what about testing Kate?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:08 Eastern US
Angie/IN (Becky , 11, dxd 6-96) from 199.8.211.139
hello! what do you do if school refuses to address issues?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:10 Eastern US
Cassie from 209.214.41.179
Jeff, this is Cassie's mom who was on here earlier. I appreciate you're wanting parents on here but my child did not know it was only for parents. She tries to get information any way she can and I do monitor her. Please be more patient.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:27 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Kate -you can contact the SAT directly & fax them a doctor's note...my friend's daughter went low both times she took it...did even better the 2nd time: 1500!!!...melissa thinks maybe she should PLAN to go low! LOL...Melissa took the PSAT without having a note with her & had no problem...BUT you "could" get a proctor who's adamant about adhering to the rules..so it's wiser to be prepared...

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:38 Eastern US
Bobbie (Katie (12) DX 6-99) from 208.161.22.120
Katie does field hockey, The dr. believes that she will need another shot after school but during field hockey, would the school be responsible for getting her this shot or do I have to miss work?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:38 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Kate I don't have an answer for that one JDF might

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:58 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.143
MS, they may throw out the exam if they "catch" a person eating. NOTHING extra is allowed in the room. My daughter has hypoglycemia and did poorly on her first test because she was low.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:22:59 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
My problem is that they have used unapproved nurses and even went so far to tell me to keep Eric home from school when there was no nurse available.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:23:06 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
thanks Renee

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:23:41 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
also as a parent

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:23:51 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Kate, what we do, when in doubt, we let Amy run a bit higher. Like her long orthodontist appts. Can't really stop in the middle of having brackets put on to treat a low.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:24:00 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Charla they cannot legally do that -- it does not have to a nurse but someone at school is required to take responsibility

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:24:08 Eastern US
Darrell (Louisiana) (Brandon 14, dx 6 years) from 207.115.63.16
Good issues tonight. I think we have to deal with each school separately and firmly. The 504 should be the last threat we make,,,not the first.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:24:42 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
as a parent i do not think it was right how Judith treated my daughter savannah in this room.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:25:06 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.143
Good point, Darrell. We didn't need one until 4th grade..... But I've gotten lots of respect since!! LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:25:09 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Well, the problem is, he doesn't think too clearly when he's high, either.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:25:15 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
warf: E-mail me: jeffh@castleweb.com. I am in charge of this web site.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:25:30 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Nobody at the school, besides the full time nurse, wants the responsibility of checking blood sugars and giving his noontime insulin. They refuse to hire an extra nurse to float between the schools. This is not the first time that they've not been able to get a sub nurse.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:25:48 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Jeff..as a former teacher, I think that's a GREAT idea to go over the D. details after the school year is underway...I know I got a list of "kids with special needs" the first day along with 1001 other things & promptly filed it away in a drawer....I knew a student had diabetes, but that was all I knew- THEN!!!....

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:25:51 Eastern US
Angie/IN (Becky , 11, dxd 6-96) from 199.8.211.139
I was told to take /keep child home if i thought there would be problem, they don't have time to "babysit"

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:26:14 Eastern US
Nuni (Sunny99999@aol.com) from 205.188.197.39
Steph, Thank you for responding. I am getting confused with this type of chat. I will see you all in e-mail.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:26:18 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.143
Charla, you and I know they have no choice! Why don't THEY know that yet?!?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:26:41 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Charla -- they MUST accept responsibility if its a public school they can lose their fed funding. You need to go to the school board

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:26:53 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Kate, it is such a fine line - i had the same issue!! I let myself run higher during the test - not too high - optimal, no it was not - functional it was

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:26:54 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
she is only 9 yrs old and very new to all of this and i would appreciate a little more patience for her and don't be so blunt with her please thanks

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:27:05 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
My child is 7, dx'd 7/5, very reluctant to volunteer a finger or injection site for us to test and give him shots. He wants us to chase him or he runs to hide. He knows he has to do this and is trying to get control over the situation. He does not test himself, though he knows what to do, just scared. I met with the school nurse today. She says he may have to test himself, supervised by an adult(maybe teacher or principal)on days when she is not there when he needs to test. His team says he's too young to be rushed into this. What do you think? How do I get better compliance from him. We are in the honeymoon period,with very tight control, doing well.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:27:19 Eastern US
Judith (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.143
Not for lack of you trying, Charla! LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:27:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Why Nuni

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:27:33 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
I think I'm going to have to hire a lawyer. I've tried everything else and feel as if I am at the end of my rope.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:27:33 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
I think they do, they just don't want to admit it and take responsibility

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:27:34 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Darrell -- I agree. We have always approached the schools with a positive "We work together for everyone's best interest" sort of attitude. Communication is so open! I just wish everyone could have that experience, but I know it's not that way. A friends niece was allowed to come close to unconscious because they refused to treat a low (she was 5 at the time!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:27:55 Eastern US
warf from 204.214.24.136
i am sorry for any inconvenience we may have caused anyone here in this room

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:28:00 Eastern US
Darrell (Louisiana) (Brandon 14, dx 6 years) from 207.115.63.16
I think all this stresses the fact that we need to teach our children as early as possible to take charge of their D. We can't always be there and we can't always count on others.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:28:11 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Kate, are you sure it's not a 'boy, age thing?' LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:28:16 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Luckily I am on the school board at my son' elementary school. But the child in the school who had D before my son was diagnosed had a hard time till I stuck up for her. The teacher was "frightened of getting AIDS " when the child tested. Groan

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:28:43 Eastern US
Angie/IN (Becky , 11, dxd 6-96) from 199.8.211.139
same here Charla

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:29:03 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Double GROAN on that one Kate!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:29:06 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
warf: Everyone is welcome to participate in the school chat.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:29:15 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
self control is one thing i have encouraged with jimmy, in first grade he was giving himself a shot at lunch. second grade he started the pump.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:29:39 Eastern US
Angie/IN (Becky , 11, dxd 6-96) from 199.8.211.139
same here charla

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:29:42 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
sunshine -- DO NOT FORCE your child. The school must supply someone to test if the school nurse isn't there. Another solution might be to forget checking at school altogether and treat symptoms of lows. It might be a solution psychologically for your child right now until he/she gets more comfortable with the procedure.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:30:18 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
I've been to four board meetings since February. At the fourth meeting they issued a statement to the press and all parents in attendance that they had solved the problem by hiring a part-time QMA, who will not do injections and isn't there at lunchtime. She only works 1:30-3:30. daily.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:30:44 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Sunshine, would some sort of behavior modification work - such as a reward system, a treat?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:30:44 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
i am PTA president at my son's school, and i thought about doing a in-house course on diabetes at the school

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:31:26 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
We've probably all heard lots of horror stories about schools NOT reacting properly...sometimes a safer alternative is to have some close friends who are very aware of your child's needs, behaviors, etc....When a substitute refused to allow Melissa to finish her lunch, her classmates intervened & the sub relented - although she made her eat in the hallway!!!...I did complain of course...

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:31:29 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Rhonda: An in house course on diabetes is a great idea.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:31:47 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
No...he is a very good student. But, just an example, the latest standardized tests here in CA...he was in the 98th percentile in everything, but the reading comp (he's best subject) he was in the 78th. Odd. So I looked at his test numbers...and there it was. He had been low an hour before. Frustrating.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:32:09 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
what is a QMA and how do they feel they've solved the problem?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:32:13 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
can u help me with the materials, Jeff

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:32:16 Eastern US
Brenda/TN (cassie,12, dx'd 5/98) from 209.214.41.179
Hello everyone. I have a daughter 12 1/2 who is starting junior high and it is very interesting to see what I may have to deal with.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:32:29 Eastern US
Darrell (Louisiana) (Brandon 14, dx 6 years) from 207.115.63.16
Renee,,,,I agree 100% and it happened that way with Brandon also.....the other kids are sometimes more helpful then the adults

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:32:44 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Super Rhonda

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:32:59 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Steph,I think he's not ready. School nurse said she could teach him. He recently observed another 10 yr. old do everything very matter of fact,a good experience for my son to see.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:33:03 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Qualified Medical Aide. She helps dispense oral meds and does paperwork.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:33:07 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
hi Brenda

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:33:22 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Kate, he won't test bgs at regular intervals during these important times?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:33:33 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Brenda/TN: Our daughter Marissa starts 7th grade too. We can't wait :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:33:53 Eastern US
Rhonda from NC from 205.152.121.23
guys, i have to go, but this has been great, if anyone have any materials they think would be helpful for an in-house course at school let me know. there's my e-mail. bye

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:33:53 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
if she's qualified then she can be taught to give an injection if needed they need to change her hours to lunchtime

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:34:11 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
ms behavior modification or bribery might work. he wants a ninetendo toy bad, but i think i should not make deals. rewards maybe.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:34:19 Eastern US
Darrell (Louisiana) (Brandon 14, dx 6 years) from 207.115.63.16
I know about the law,,,but we must be realistic,,,the school look at the problem from the legal part as well. Liability for the nurse, teacher and staff. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:34:29 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Brenda....it took me months to "catch on" that melissa was conveniently "forgetting" to go to the nurse to check at lunchtime...why?...because lunch time in middle school is so "social" that she hated getting there late & not having a seat & couldn't expect her friends to remember every day.....that was a difficult phase, but I'm mentioning it because I couldn't fathom what the problem was initially...

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:34:30 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
by Rhonda there's a great slide show from AADE e-mail me and I'll send you the reference

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:34:50 Eastern US
Brenda/TN (cassie,12, dx'd 5/98) from 209.214.41.179
I hope she is not as nervous as Cassie because she tends to be very emotional and that causes problems with her blood sugar.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:34:51 Eastern US
Nancy from 216.67.42.48
sunshine did you go to u-mass?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:34:56 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
sunshine, i agree, itīs a very good experience for a d kid to see other kid doing everything he has to do

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:34:57 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Question on field trips: Can the school be required to send a nurse with children on field trips if the parents aren't able to go? I had heard there is a legal precedent somewhere but cannot find it on my own.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:35:00 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Bye Rhonda -- check out this site, as Jeff has many links to great information to give to schools.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:35:32 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
they cannot legally waive liability

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:35:36 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Hahahahahaha. He's 16 Sue! At 10, 11, 12, 13...he would do it. Now, no. Although I do see some improvement just lately. He has told some folks on his own that he has D. Actually, the pump makes it possible to really "hide" from other people if you don't test...it is so discreet compared to shots.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:35:39 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
See recent US Supreme Court decision, Cedar Rapids vs. Garrett F re: special needs at school
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/96-1793.ZS.html

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:36:08 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
yes Nancy. I will call you tomorrow.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:36:17 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Renee -- ditto problem here. Now Amy carries her meter with her everywhere in school.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:36:22 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
They can't change her hours because she is under a teachers contract for the earlier part of the day. They hired the wrong person!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:36:52 Eastern US
Brenda/TN (cassie,12, dx'd 5/98) from 209.214.41.179
That is great information to know! I feel that Cassie knows how important it is to keep her D under control but being with your peers can win out in the end.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:37:10 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
a nurse does not need to go. There just needs to be someone responsible to treat a low if it happens.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:37:51 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
then you need to go back to school board your problem is not solved and neither is theirs

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:38:04 Eastern US
Brenda/TN (cassie,12, dx'd 5/98) from 209.214.41.179
She also play basketball and it is hard talking to administrators and coaches without them making you feel that you are being over-protective.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:38:16 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Steph, this may be a silly question but what does hate initial MPH stand for?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:38:23 Eastern US
Bobbie (Katie (12) DX 6-99) from 208.161.22.120
Is the school responsible for treating during after school sports activities?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:38:50 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Sue...and so does Melissa...although ideally her CDE would prefer that she check in class 1/2 hr. before lunch so that she could do a correction bolus if need be, instead of arriving in the cafeteria with a high bg....hard to be that disciplined at 16..at least she's now comfortable checking at the lunch table around her friends...maturity has made it easier ( in some ways!!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:38:52 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Master of Public Health -- I majored in health promotion / health behavior

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:38:56 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
I think the schools know their responsibilities. We have 5 special computers at school (where I am on the board) They are for handicapped learners, and they are really expensive, and really wonderful. The problem is...HOW to make the schools realize the problems with D??? Since most of the time the kids look fine. This is my BIG problem

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:39:08 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
that's Public Health

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:39:13 Eastern US
Angie/IN (elmo@themoffatts.com) from 199.8.211.139
what's next if school board doesn't cooperate?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:39:19 Eastern US
Darrell (Louisiana) (Brandon 14, dx 6 years) from 207.115.63.16
Brenda---mine plays sports too,,,and the coaches have actually been the most responsive to the problem. Mainly because it scares them.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:39:42 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Kate what is it you want them to realize?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:39:46 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
The kids don't want to be different...bottom line.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:40:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
if the school board does not cooperate you got to the feds

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:40:19 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Brenda, I agree with the overprotective attitude we may have to show, but Amy did cheerleading, basketball, 3 soccer teams at once and track. I don't care if they think I'm overprotective if I let them know of her condition. That's a risk I'm willing to take, not the alternative. Right?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:40:20 Eastern US
Darrell (Louisiana) (Brandon 14, dx 6 years) from 207.115.63.16
Bobbie,,,yes they are supposed to be because it is a school sponsored event

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:40:24 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
sunshine, i was thinking that you could have some sort of reward system which he could be weaned from - how old is he?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:40:40 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
I should drop this discussion because I don't think anyone can help...to no fault of anyone here. I say this because I was just told that I was not going to be put on the agenda for the next board meeting. What federal division should I take it to?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:40:58 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
Important for the schools to realize you are more likely to sue for what they neglect to do!! rather than sincere efforts to help.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:41:12 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
please remember these are kids who happen to have diabetes. Maybe we spend so much time focusing on the diabetes we forget that

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:41:22 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
ms 7 1/2

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:41:26 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Let me know what ways, would you Renee?? lol

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:41:47 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
I would like them to realize that these kids are struggling sometimes (not always) just to pay attention, get there, do the work, etc. And that they may need to snack, and a blank look may not be rudeness, but a low or high. NOW, we have talked to them all, but we still sometimes get "I just don't know what is wrong with your son, some days he just seems like he's in another world"

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:41:51 Eastern US
Brenda/TN (cassie,12, dx'd 5/98) from 209.214.41.179
They have already dealt with Cassie's emotional outbursts and they seem to be very helpful with that. I, of course, still talk to them about her diabetes but this is the first time that I wasn't involved as I have coached her myself for many years.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:42:03 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Charla call your Attorney General's Office or the Office of Consumer Affairs

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:42:26 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
I agree with that. Eric is a child with diabetes, not a diabetic. You don't call a child with cancer a cancer.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:42:36 Eastern US
Darrell (Louisiana) (Brandon 14, dx 6 years) from 207.115.63.16
Charla,,,did you serve written notice to the school board.?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:43:05 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Thanks! I'll call them tomorrow!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:43:17 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
LOL! Charla even served them newspaper articles and TV time, I believe!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:43:30 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
and maybe some days he is it might be due to diabetes or might be due to the fact that he's 16

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:43:33 Eastern US
Connie (FMwebDesign@aol.com) from 152.163.205.59
Sorry I'm late, we are having a "sick" evening. :( I am trying to change the policy in our school district to ALLOW BG testing in the class room. If any of you can help me, please e-mail me in private with any suggestions on how to accomplish this task. Sorry I can stay, our 4th grader is having migraines and vomiting .... thanks !

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:43:33 Eastern US
Angie/IN (elmo@themoffatts.com) from 199.8.211.139
ok thanks!! Indiana doesn't seem to be willing to help d kids Charla are you from In? lets talk

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:43:56 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
good luck Charla let us what happens

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:44:08 Eastern US
Charla (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Yes! I started with a letter expressing my concern and two days later I got three pages of interrogatories from the schools attorney!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:44:18 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Well Steph, what you just said about "kids who happen to have diabetes" is part of my problem. try very hard to let that be the case...so maybe sometimes I am somewhat "under" protective. Part of the blame may be with me.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:44:35 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
VERY tough balancing act Steph.....giving them the freedom & latitude to be just like everyone else, because they certainly LOOK like everyone else, but knowing in our hearts that the potential for danger is always in the background...

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:44:42 Eastern US
Brenda/TN (cassie,12, dx'd 5/98) from 209.214.41.179
Does everyone usually give their teachers and coaches something in writing about diabetes or do they simply set up a meeting with them?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:02 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Angie --
please contact Dave Marrero at the Univ. of Indiana

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:04 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Carla: Here in Argentina there was a campaign last year, in December and they tried to teach everybody to say "un niņo con diabetes" y no un niņo diabetico"

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:17 Eastern US
Darrell (Louisiana) (Brandon 14, dx 6 years) from 207.115.63.16
Brenda,,,in writing!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:21 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.198
Angie... how old is your child and where in Indiana are you?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:21 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
sunshine, how long has he had diabetes? At that age, behavior modification may be a good idea. It is difficult being a child with diabetes in the school setting

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:24 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
I try to do both, Brenda. Have the written materials to go over, stressing certain points...and then leave that with them for future reference.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:24 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Brenda: My wife and I try to meet with coaches and gym teachers.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:31 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Yes, I'm from Indiana as is Judith. Our sons have the same pediatric diabetologist.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:45:33 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Brenda...
We have the Pink Panther book with a letter for coaches. Do you know the book?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:01 Eastern US
Brenda/TN (cassie,12, dx'd 5/98) from 209.214.41.179
Never heard of it! Where can I get it?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:06 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
The new school materials here at Children with Diabetes has letters for EVERYONE at school and guidelines on how to set things up at school

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:19 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
That's possible... but all three of my kids have marched to a different drummer, so I'm used to that aspect of it. :-) the problem I am discussing has been since he was diagnosed, not just at 16. The diabetes "spaciness" is different.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:20 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
We do both Brenda, written and meeting.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:23 Eastern US
Angie/IN (elmo@themoffatts.com) from 199.8.211.139
ok

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:38 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Brenda, my husband and i took leaflets about type1 diabetes and wrote a special page in the computer about sebastian lows and symptoms, including a photograph

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:45 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
Pink Panther book is available online at http://www.uchsc.edu/misc/diabetes/UIDDM.html

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:53 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Pink Panther Book is "Understanding Insulin-Dependent Diabetes" by H. Peter Chase, M.D.
See:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_06_b00.htm#chase

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:46:54 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
ms since 7/5/99..i gather its not easy for them. must be hard to concentrate when you are hi or low.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:47:18 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
I'll buy that Kate just playing devil's advocate :)

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:47:29 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Pink Panther is online at the Barbara Davis Center website.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:47:47 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
Beat you, Jeff! LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:48:02 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
The pertinent chapter of the Pink Panther Book is:
http://www.uchsc.edu/misc/diabetes/chap22.html

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:48:30 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
I think Jeff and Judith have hot keys pre-loaded with information! Ha Ha Ha

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:48:33 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
hey Jeff we just posted all that stuff right here!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:48:36 Eastern US
Brenda/TN (cassie,12, dx'd 5/98) from 209.214.41.179
Thanks for the info! I feel a little bit better about talking to our school nurse tomorrow with Cassie.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:48:53 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Jeff does I know

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:49:20 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
hope Cassie continues to do well

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:49:24 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
I'm from Indiana and our school is great no complaints so far. I do put everything in writing, can't expect them to remember things if they can't review and the picture is a very good idea for recess monitors, bus drivers etc....

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:49:39 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
He is a walking encyclopedia, that's for sure!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:49:57 Eastern US
C Dueitt (Cdueittrn@aol.com) from 171.211.2.254
I had the unthinkable happen today. My 6 yr. old was forced to leave her new private school first day due to her diabetes!!! Met w/ teachers etc. before but they had a change of heart. ADA already involved. I'm a basket case tonight!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:50:00 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Steph: Just referring people.

Also, see "Diabetes Management at School":
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_0q_500.htm

Within are all the forms you'll need with a link to generate a nice, printable page.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:50:21 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
sunshine, remember.. it is all still new for him - it takes time, reinforcement of importance and some routine. He may be feeling the emotional impact of it and worried about acceptance

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:50:32 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.198
I have a question... Darriane just started Kindergarten Friday... she doesn't want to eat her snack in the class, but would rather walk down to the nurses office to eat it. Should I try to change her mind on this or let her walk down? She doesn't want to eat in front of everyone if they can't eat with her!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:50:36 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
I hope everyone has looked at our new school manual right here at Children with Diabetes
we have handouts to download for coaches, teachers, you name it !!
very simple handouts on treatment of highs and lows, etc.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:50:43 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
different ages= different issues....middle school meant more sleepovers & less Mom control...melissa once slept over a friend's house where parents were a doctor & a nurse...I naively assumed that meant they understood "better"...DUH..I called at 11:30 am to see why I hadn't heard from Melissa & was told the kids were still asleep!...color me foolishly naive..thankfully the pump has eliminated THAT particular issue!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:50:47 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Sometimes the "letters" from books and other sources seem TOO cautionary. i think they can scare educators...then they resist. I'll have a look at the Pink Panther one

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:51:01 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
C Dueitt: I'm shocked, but not surprised. I've heard other, similar stories. Please keep us posted, and good luck.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:51:02 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, `13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Jr. High has been fine so far...(my reputation preceded me, I think!) with the exception of a gym/health teacher!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:51:06 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
where do you keep monitors and lancets at school, in locked nurses office or backpack?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:51:44 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
oh no C that's discrimination!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:52:06 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
Karen, don't kindergarteners still have snacks with milk? It wasn't until 1st grade Alex felt different eating his snacks, if she goes to the nurses office someone should walk her down there.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:52:12 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Karen, nothing wrong at that age eating it in the nurses office. Amy used to do that too. Until she just got too social with the office staff and spent too much time eating her snacks! lol

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:52:20 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Eric's new teacher is letting all of the kids eat when he does. I like her already but will keep one eye open just in case! Ha Ha Ha

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:52:22 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Leann/IN has a good point: don't forget the bus drivers. Marissa has shown up home low many times. We're hoping the pump this year makes a difference, but it might simply offset the extra challenges of seventh grade and adolescence.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:52:23 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
We keep everything in the backpack

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:52:24 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
talking about letters to the teachers i found a nice one on "Countdown" kidsīsection

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:52:45 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Karen why don't you see if everyone can have a healthy snack this works very well

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:53:11 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Sue: Marissa gets quite chatty with the school nurses too!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:53:19 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Our bus driver in elementary school was great. She carried stuff on her own for Brendan.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:53:22 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
Alex carries his kit in his backpack.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:53:26 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Does anyone have a Dex? Do they like it?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:53:29 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, `13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
My policy, espoused here, re: schools is TELL, DON'T ASK!! Let them know what your child will be doing; assume they are going to cooperate. Kids should be able to test/treat/insulate wherever/whenever

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:53:33 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Sunshine, Amy keeps her meter, lancets, and snacks with her in a mini pack. She pumps, so she keeps other supplies, insulin, syringes, set changes, etc., in the nurses office.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:53:33 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Just want to mention that I had everything written down, gave a 30 minute lecture to the entire staff including the school nurse on Friday. Showed everyone how a Glucagon works etc.... Today, I brought in the EMERGENCY KIT to the nurse's office and reviewed what was in there. The nurse then picked up the Glucagon and said "Zachary will know what to do with this, right?"

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:53:55 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Alicia, is this available online or do you know what issue it was in?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:54:03 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
OMG ELLEN!!!LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:54:08 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.198
Leann.... she's in a mid-afternoon class with no snacks. 11:50-2:25. I did make sure she has a "buddy" walk her down. And her nurse worked 6yrs at the hospital in the diabetic unit. I got lucky there.... that's a good idea, even if I have to supply it... think I'll do that! Let everyone eat with her!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:54:37 Eastern US
Connie (FMwebDesign@aol.com) from 152.163.205.59
Jeff -- will you post the log from this chat? I'd like to be able to read through it later.. thanks :) Connie FMwebDesign@aol.com

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:54:46 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Jeff, maybe it's a girly thing, huh?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:54:48 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Ellen: I guess your nurse gets an "F" for not paying attention!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:54:49 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Jeff & Sue: Melissa too!! In fact she still prefers to check with the nurse because they're such good buddies!!!...seriously, having lived with D. makes a lot of these kids so much more mature compared to the other kids the nurses deal with that they enjoy seeing our kids who are so much less likely to whine about "little stuff"...

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:54:50 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
How do we deal with subs, if we don't know a teacher's out?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:54:52 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
excellent policy Judith

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:55:01 Eastern US
C Dueitt (Cdueittrn@aol.com) from 171.211.2.254
Steph, I was sad to learn because it's a church based school it's exempt from the discrimination laws. Will have to try the publicity route.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:55:12 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Connie: Yes, there will be a transcript available by early tomorrow morning.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:55:16 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.198
Sunshine.... we have the DEX and LOVE IT!! got one for her to take to school as well!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:56:00 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Ellen that's scary..

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:56:12 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
I'm bringing expired Glucagon later this week to have the nurse practice mixing it etc....

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:56:12 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Our nurse is GREAT. If I had to choose between my husband and her he would be through the door without me even opening it! I'll have to tell her what the nurse said!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:56:23 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, `13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
C Dueitt, if the school receives ANY federal monies....lunch program, etc.....MUST comply with anti-discrimination laws.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:56:31 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
good idea Ellen!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:56:33 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
sorry to hear that C

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:56:46 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Ellen, well since Z is doing his set changes, you mean he can't administer his Glucagon when he is unconscious?? No way!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:56:51 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Karen/IN makes a good point: get an extra meter for your child to use at school. If you call a meter maker and tell them you have a child who uses their meter and you need another one for school, they'll usually ship one to you free.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:57:21 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, `13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Our experience with DEX has not been so positive...many high numbers that did not agree with other meters

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:57:26 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
GREAT idea Ellen

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:57:27 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Our ped endo writes orders on a county form that explicitly state that Z can test, eat, take insulin, wherever and whenever he feels it's necessary.. Schools have never questioned it.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:57:28 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
just curious: has anyone hear ever HAD school personnel ( nurse) actually administer Glucagon to their child?..or know of anyone who has?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:58:06 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Thanks for that suggestion, Jeff. An extra for school would be great.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:58:09 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
very cute SUE

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:58:10 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Ellen, how did gym go for Zachary and his pump today?

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:58:30 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.194
Jeff..... NOW you tell me!!! LOL I just forked out $80 because our insurance won't cover ANYTHING, but I'm fighting it!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:58:52 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
An Rx from your doc is the quickest, easiest way to get what you want. I honestly think if you had one that said "Child to stand on her head in the hallway 4 hrs./day" they'd comply! An MD after a name works magic!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:59:10 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Nope,not here Renee. Thank God! Really!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:59:18 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Karen: Try calling the company. If they send you a free one, return the other one for a refund. Can't hurt to try.

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:59:25 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
yes when it wasn't really needed and it was a disaster. I personally don't believe in Glucagon at school. It's expensive and the chances of having to use it very slim

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:59:36 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Charla, it was the Countdown fall 1996 - kidsīsection

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:59:52 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Thanks Alicia!

Mon Aug 16 1999 21:59:56 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
LOL Judith!! I'll try that one......

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:00:07 Eastern US
Angie/IN (elmo@themoffatts.com) from 199.8.211.139
not here and our ped is on the med team for our school system

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:00:19 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
Our school keeps the Glucagon on hand and renew it each year, there are 4 diabetics

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:00:23 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
We are lucky because the hospital is 2 blocks from the high school. But we've never had to give Glucagon..and I hope we never do.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:00:48 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
At last count, we had 9 meters - we have paid for 1! (the 1st one she ever had - we were uneducated I guess!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:01:17 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
Our endo marked the Glucagon package to use only 1/2 a dose when Brendan was small. Less vomiting, and enough to work

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:01:22 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.194
Leann... wish our school did that... they have 5 now and I had to get one for Darriane

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:01:35 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
we never paid for a meter, ins. paid for the 1st one all the rest were from camp and meter reps or with rebate

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:01:38 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
If Glucagon is at school you may need an RX for them to give it!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:01:52 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Sorry to digress: Marissa just did her first pump site insertion at home. At camp last week, she had to do it on her own for the first time.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:01:59 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Sue, what's your favorite meter?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:02:20 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
I like to use just 1/2 if you need to use it at all. You can always give the other 1/2 if it doesn't work in 5 - 7 min

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:02:32 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
Karen, maybe you could suggest it, then they wouldn't have to keep track of 5 different expiration dates

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:02:49 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
I had a scare a few years ago. Dave was running high at lunch and I sent insulin for him to self-administer, after calling me with bgs. Going over things with the secretary (who'd been there all his years, and seemed MOST knowledgeable/comfortable with things of all school personnel) said "Now this is what we give when he's low, right?" !!!!!!! (and he has never had Glucagon at school since he's allergic to it.) I took the insulin home immediately!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:02:56 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
CONGRATS MARISSA!!! we'll send something from Disneyworld

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:13 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
Alex uses the softset and does his own insertions from the start.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:14 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Jeff - that's great!..nice for her AND you to know she CAN do it if need be, but that mom & dad are still around to do so if she prefers...

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:18 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
its not the meter that the companies are reluctant to give (especially with a sob story) - it is the strips!!!! Personally though, I've never gotten a free meter -

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:24 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Are pumps for everyone? Any age?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:28 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Sunshine: We like the Dex best. The cartridge is very convenient -- 10 strips inside.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:37 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
how can you be allergic to Glucagon?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:47 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
I just think that it's great that Zachary and Marissa are doing their set changes -- it's a big, scary step. I know I was terrified to put that set in MYSELF!! lol

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:53 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 16, diagnosed 1993) from 209.165.3.194
I have to leave. Thanks Steph for all the support. I find these scheduled chats very useful.
La Senora de Argentina... esta aqui todavia? Hasta luego.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:53 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
pumps r not for everyone

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:56 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Steph does the kid need some special conditions to be on the pump? Doctors here do no recommend it

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:03:58 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.194
Leann.... good idea, but again.. our insurance is TERRIBLE and I have to pay full price for everything... just paid $65 for 1 Glucagon kit!!! I'm fighting them now

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:04:12 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
thanks for your support Kate keep in touch

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:04:29 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Judith...my older daughter's boyfriend ( who knows our family very well) also thought the insulin was given when she was LOW!..made me realize how naive I am to assume people comprehend more than they actually do....

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:04:29 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
ouch Karen

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:04:51 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Steph, I know that a 504 review is to be annual but if you need a change sooner than that do they have to comply?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:05:11 Eastern US
alicia (sebastian (11)dxd 96) from 200.42.31.42
Hasta luego Kate. This special chat sessions are great. We learn a lot from each other and from Steph and Jeff

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:05:12 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Steph the site you have with back to school info. was great.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:05:16 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Glucagon is a protein...and until a few months ago, of animal source.... It IS rare.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:06:05 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Charla yes if signed by your team

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:06:29 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
I just went to the pharmacy today to get a new Glucagon kit for school (and one for home)--they were out and had to order them. They said they'd gotten lots of requests with school starting this week and next (depends on the school system).

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:06:29 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
thanks sunshine

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:06:32 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Sunshine, MY favorite meter is the Profile, but that's just because I am so used to it. Amy's favorite is the Precision QID in hot pink. We are now using the Accu-check advantage (for school, purple one) and the Accu-check complete at home. The rep gave me all the computer software that will link them both, so now I have a new toy. It's different, but so far, so good!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:06:38 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
charla, you as a parent have a right - if changes are needed, you may contact the point person and let them know your needs -

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:06:42 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Sheesh, I thought Glucagon was a hormone.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:07:09 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
What do you mean-if signed by my team? Do you mean that we have to have it put in the 504 that we can change it in less than a year?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:07:15 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
I like the Precision QID.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:07:43 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
QID has a new meter coming out that also checks ketones

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:07:58 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
hmmm - does the precision take data? that to me is a criteria

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:20 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
The new Glucagon kits are packaged in RED plastic now.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:20 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
checks ketones? though blood - that would be neat

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:21 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.194
Jeff.... maybe you should schedule a chat for insurance problems! LOL :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:24 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
we are using precision qid and the computer soft it brings. Itīs quite useful to have the measures and averages in the pc

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:31 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
wow really Steph, no i would like to check that out, i wouldn't have to make Alex go to the bathroom, he would love that.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:32 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
yes it does

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:32 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
we also use the Precision QID...very easy and DISCREET (important for a teen) & we also have the software to download it ( also important for a teen who no longer records ANYTHING related to her diabetes!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:37 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Steph, what, you just pee on the meter?? lol Sorry, I couldn't resist....

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:41 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Glucagon was in short supply because they just switched over from animal source to recombinant origin.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:08:43 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
Our point person refers everything to the school superintendent. I e-mail her and he calls me with the answer.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:12 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
how can it do that Steph?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:15 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Jeff and I will let know more after next week we're going to the American Association of diabetes Educators Meeting this week

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:19 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
steph a new meter or new strips only?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:20 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Hormones are proteins....

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:20 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
rofl, Sue

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:36 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
That's good news, Steph. I didn't realize that the vials of strips are essentially no good once opened for 6 mos. Now we have to track down the foil wrapped Ketostix--usual pharm. doesn't carry them.
Karen--Jeff says he will have a chat on many subjects. Just e-mail him (jeffh@castleweb.com) with your suggestions.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:38 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
not the new meter will check blood ketones

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:52 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Karen, that would end up being more of a complaint session for me :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:09:59 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
I would LOVE the QID if only it had a memory. So far, no luck getting the software for free, or any response from the company (I know, I'm cheap!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:03 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
ms precision comes with a soft to transfer data into the computer

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:25 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
LOL, Sue! How discreet is that????

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:28 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Brenda we'll have to get one to try it out for CWD

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:30 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Have many of you had kids who had problems with teasing?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:33 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
in Orlando?..Melissa's CDE, Gary Scheiner, will be there...

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:35 Eastern US
Angie/IN (elmo@themoffatts.com) from 199.8.211.139
Thanks for the help!!1 Keep these chats up they are very helpful!! Goodnight!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:46 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
yes the foil wrapped strips are great for school, the pharmacy should be able to order them if you ask.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:50 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
A chat on insurance would be a good idea.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:10:54 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Sue the precision qid together with the precision link, its software has 125 measures memory

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:11:06 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.194
Steph... I've been told not to buy the first "prototype" of a new product, like the new QID... what's your thoughts?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:11:11 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Sue--I thought Jeff had the Precision Software, but I don't think he's ever used it!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:11:18 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
gn Angie

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:12:00 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
I use the Precision software . I don't like the log book feature, but I like the other features.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:12:01 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
don't know why not
they've been beta-tested

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:12:07 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Renee, yes, Orlando--I've been teasing Timothy that Dad is going to Disney World, but I think they're not actually too close to it.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:12:31 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Good evening everyone :-) I going into 8th grade , pumping for a month. Should be interesting.... :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:12:32 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Sunshine, Amy has never been teased, but then, we are in a very small, tight knit community. Everyone knows everyone.....a perk I think!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:12:44 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
sunshine, i went through all my school year but one with diabetes - i was not as open about it, but.. as i got older and more people knew, i did not encounter teasing, rather support

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:12:49 Eastern US
Charla/IN (Eric, 8, dx'd 9/96) from 209.131.220.70
I have to go. The kids start back at school tomorrow and I need to gather up Eric's supplies. A special thanks to Jeff and Steph! Take Care!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:12:56 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Ellen the log book should allow entering some information donīt you think?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:13:06 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.194
I've been trying to find the foil wrapped ketostix for Darriane.... Pharmacy doesn't have them listed!! how can I get a hold of some for her school?!!?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:13:13 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
night Charla..good luck! keep us posted...

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:13:16 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Sue that may be similar to my experience

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:13:39 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
not too far way Brenda what does Timothy want from Mickey?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:13:54 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
good night charla, and good luck tomorrow

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:14:02 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Brenda, he can send it may way if he doesn't want it....lol Alicia, I like being able to access the memory directly from the meter.....only bad thing about the QID if you ask me.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:14:23 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Karen they can order them through their wholesaler for you .
They are made by Miles

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:14:32 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Bye, Charla. Keep up the good fight!
Karen, I;ve run into the problem with chain pharmacies that if something's not on their "list" they can't get it.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:14:41 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Amy's testing now about a bazillion times a day, just so I can download it all into the computer (not really!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:14:58 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Hey Steve. Marissa starts a new school this year and I spoke to the nurse today. At first, she didn't have a prob. with Marissa just carrying her meter and testing when necessary, but then she was worried about her bolusing too much and the "medical waste." Jeff says we should just let her carry her meter, but keep one in the clinic for her required pre-lunch test.
Timothy needs absolutely nothing from Disney or anywhere else.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:14:59 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.194
ok.... thanks

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:15:09 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
ms...I agree...the more open Melissa has gotten about her diabetes, the more supportive people are..they're actually in awe of all she does so matter of factly...she was low the other night & I wouldn't allow her to drive her friends until she started rising 15 minutes later...really made an impression on them ( I hope!!_)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:15:22 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
I never experienced teasing , expect for the normal "baffoon" that would sit there a snicker while I checked my blood sugar. Actually , I had 1 problem with a girl that would mimic me saying "I'm low" and there teacher heard it , she was not very happy. She made her stand up in front of the class and made her apologize to me.....novices:-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:15:28 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Alicia, do you use the Precision software?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:15:30 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
sue how many tests is amy doing?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:15:37 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
has anyone gotten free software from LifeScan?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:15:52 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Brenda --
I agree with Jeff

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:16:09 Eastern US
Karen/IN (Darriane 5 dx'd 8/97) from 152.163.213.194
I need to get to sleep... special thanks to Jeff, Brenda, and Steph! New to this chat and these "special chats" LOVIN' IT!! Good-Night and Good Luck to all!!! Bye

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:16:20 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
I use the wrapped ketostix , hey sue , don't they have them at Walmart? :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:16:41 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Typically Wal-mart doesn't carry the foil wrapped strips, but is able to order them. But, you need the info to give them.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:17:07 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Yes, Ellen. Weīve been using it for a year or so.
we had accutrend alpha previously but the precision strips need less blood and it brings the interface for the computer

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:17:08 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Oh that's where I got them... but now that I think of it they did have to order them

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:17:11 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Actually Center for Disease Control does NOT consider strips hazardous waste. (I called them). WISH we could get the disposable pokers used in hospitals..esp the ones by B-M. They can be disposed of in regular trash.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:17:43 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
thanks jeff and steph for the chat, goodnight all, and good luck Steve.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:18:05 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
Night Leann and Karen too

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:18:21 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
thanks :-) Judith , do they consider glucose tablets a medicine?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:18:22 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
good night Leann and Karen

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:18:25 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
I've suggested to B-M that they retail them...would be great for school, carrying in your purse, etc. I've had a few left from camp.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:18:25 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Alicia, are you in Miami?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:18:31 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Alicia, typically Amy tests about 6 times a day, but on a day like today, the 1st day of volleyball, she's running low all day, so of course she is testing more. She is also on a pump, and that does require more testing. She accidentally hit a scab on the back of her leg today. It bled so much, I asked her if she wanted to test her bgs while she was at it!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:18:40 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
goodnight everyone who is leaving :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:19:00 Eastern US
Leann/IN (son Alex(10) pumping 2 weeks) from 216.176.149.146
LOL, Alex never has a lancet to dispose of because he never changes them, they only get changed when i test at night. gn

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:19:12 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Itīs useful to keep the records in the computer. It gives you statistics, average readings, pie graphs, etc. Though the log book format could be better

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:19:24 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
WHOLE other fight, Steve! LOL I know from trying to ship supplies that the Russian gov't considers glucose tabs to be food....and thus banned!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:19:33 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
I will provide Marissa with little sandwich bags to bring home the "waste." She did it in 1st grade and can do it again.
Judith, Marissa started Cross Country today and we need to find one of those necklace type carriers for her to carry tablets. I remember you mentioning that David had to deal with this issue. What did you decide to do?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:19:40 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
if they consider glucose tabs a medicine, I must have broken the law for dispensing them - I used to give them to friends/camp mates inquiring as to what they were :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:19:41 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
you can get them from Chronimed, Ulster, Lifescan, or Placo but they r expensive

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:20:02 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
oh gosh!! LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:20:17 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
FOOOD????? really Judith..geez...Melissa considers them POISON! LOL...

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:20:33 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
I mean all they are is sugar , right? :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:21:06 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
There is a wallet that will fit on her shoelace and a floatable one that holds about 6 tablets ( I think I have and extra one around Brenda)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:21:07 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
No, Dave can't carry glucose tabs...eats them immediately like candy!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:21:08 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
I don't know how anyone in the world could drink regular pepsi...ugh

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:21:14 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Zachary calls them garbage tablets, he'd rather have a glucagon.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:21:21 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Brenda, i used to play sports, and found that the least obtrusive thing for me to use was a money pouch around my waist - its smaller than a fanny pack and flatter, and held what i needed

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:21:21 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
No Ellen. Iīm in a small town in Argentina. The town is Concepción del Uruguay, and itīs 300 km north of Buenos Aires

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:21:23 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Our nurse says the tablets are NOT medicine and Marissa can carry them. I want her to have some on the bus---can't expect the driver to keep them.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:21:46 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Brenda, last year for Amy and track I purchased a runners pack -- a small, flat stretchy pack that she wore under her clothes. You couldn't see it, but she carried a power bar and glucose tabs in it.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:22:09 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Great idea MS

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:22:19 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Have been BIG flaps in a number of schools...I remember one in suburban St. Louis...about glucose tabs as medicine...and kids being suspended for giving "drugs" to friends!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:22:21 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
garbage tablets....LOL..... Would they be more appealing if pokemon are on them?? Gotta eat em all?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:22:25 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Some kids have been suspended for sharing glucose tablets with other kids - as if they were sharing medication.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:22:27 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
and Sue

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:22:42 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
that's true Ellen

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:22:52 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Judith you are so competitive ROFLOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:23:01 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
That's what I heard. I'll keep them to myself anyhow... lol

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:23:29 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
If she sticks with the running, I will find some type of waist pouch.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:23:43 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
You know glucose tablets have been a great change for Sebastian. They avoid going up very high as sugar did. He carries them in his pockets, backpacks and pencilbox

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:23:43 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
Steve: Interesting suggestion. I know someone who manufactures glucose tablets. I'll ask if they can make them with imprints.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:23:43 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
You're just saying that because you came in second, Ellen!!! ROFLOL!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:24:00 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Steve,
My 7 1/2 yr. old is here laughing about Pokemon comment. He says yeah!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:24:09 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Sorry Alicia. Nice to meet you.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:24:20 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
jeff what do you mean with imprints

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:24:23 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Yeah , maybe they would be more appealing? They do the same with vitamins....

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:24:28 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
we use jr. juice boxes to treat lows...word of warning: they do NOT survive in the bottom of a book bag that gets tossed around! LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:24:29 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
not a bad idea - copyright it and go for it!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:24:48 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Steve wants Beanie Baby tablets!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:02 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
nice to meet you too Ellen

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:05 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
My girls are not into Pokemon--have to put something else on there for girls!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:19 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
Alicia: Steve suggested glucose tablets with Pokemon on them. I'll ask if they can be made with something imprinted on them, like kids' vitamins.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:20 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
We treat with chocolate milk boxes - and keep them in Zip Loc plastic bags.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:31 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Renee I have learned the same thing too , them I wonder why my backpack smells like grapes... LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:33 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
I've tried using the Donald Duck orange juice in small cans. Apple juice etc. also come that way. Are a bit more durable in baseball bags, etc.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:48 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Ricky Martin tabs?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:50 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
NSYNC pics?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:51 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
sebastianīs younger brother has eaten the tablets once or twice. He is two

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:52 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Barbies?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:25:56 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
Renee: I wouldn't want to see a book bag with a squished juice box. :-o

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:26:06 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
with proceeds to Children with diabetes of course

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:26:07 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
brenda, the money pouches really worked great for me - they lie flat on the body and can worn inconspicuously beneath the clothing -

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:26:34 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
the backpack wasn't the problem..that I could wash! It was the graphing calculator saturated with juice that was a problem!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:26:47 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
By the way, I think I convinced the same company to manufacture a 30 unit syringe with 1/2 unit markings.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:26:58 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Yuck, Renee!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:26:58 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
YUCKO!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:26:59 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
ms--Marissa usually hooks her pump on the waistband so we've just have to find something comfortable.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:27:12 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Elvis Presley tabs for adults.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:27:13 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Great job, Jeff!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:27:17 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
jeff what is Pokemon, Iīm sorry but I don't know

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:27:54 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Jeff, it's about time. Anyone want to make 1/4 unit ones for wee little ones?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:27:57 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Pokemon is a video game... Big hit in the U.S. and Japan.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:27:58 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
Alicia: It's a kids game, something to do with cards that are traded. The neighborhood kids have them, but my kids don't.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:28:25 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
My mom says she wants the beatles on her tabs lol

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:28:30 Eastern US
Sue from IL from 152.163.232.54
Brenda, her pump would fit in a runners pack. A bit pricey - I think it was around $16, but did the trick.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:28:44 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
Ellen: 25 unit is not viable in the market. B-D makes the 30 unit, and that's what everyone else does. Terumo couldn't make a go of the 25 unit ones.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:28:58 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
and after the video game they came out with cards, tv show , action figures , the list goes on

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:29:04 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Steve--all four on one or one on each? LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:29:12 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Alicia..the latest craze from Japan..cartoons with
little computerized looking creatures. There are 150 of them. They are being marketed in tapes,t-shirts,lunchboxes,notebooks, very hot. You trade trading cards.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:29:23 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Sue , have you used the sport guard?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:29:33 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
There are small camera cases that clip to a belt loop or have slots for a belt. Can also use an extra meter pack. The FastTake one is a good size....even if you don't like the meter.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:29:45 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Jeff it would very interesting to have syringes with 1/2 unit marks. We are now using the Novopen but sometimes we have to mix insulins and need to use 1/2 unit Really good job as always jeff

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:29:48 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Guess we should get Lawrence Welk or Tony Bennett for the over 60 crowd!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:29:54 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
2 and 2 lolrof

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:30:07 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
question on insulin pens....we need to get a new one- anyone have a favorite?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:30:15 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Frankie!!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:30:27 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
Renee: The B-D Pen Mini does 1/2 units.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:30:32 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Brenda lucky lottery numbers LOLROF

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:30:43 Eastern US
Brenda Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
I'll let Jeff take over--laundry is now dry. BYE all.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:30:45 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
y not use the disposable pens???

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:30:50 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
for over 60

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:31:02 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Thanks for your explanations about pokemon. It will surely land here soon

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:31:06 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
is that the cute colorful one Jeff?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:31:19 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Bye Brenda

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:31:35 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
bye brenda

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:31:37 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
I prefer the Novo...but they've discontinued the 1.5ml so you can't use Lilly insulin in it!! Have you seen the disposable pens from Lilly? Available in H, N and 70/30

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:31:43 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
Steph: The disposable Humalog pens have 1 unit markings. Marissa often needs 1/2 unit, or did before the pump. We'll keep a pen at school as emergency backup.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:31:56 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Brenda - what a thought - we could make some real money off of this thing!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:32:01 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 10.0.1.4
Renee: Yes, the B-D Pen Mini is colorful.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:32:04 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
this is imply for "back-up" Steph in the vent of a pump problem if she's not easily able to change her set....we have the Novopen with the Humalog cartridge but the case is broken (same book bag!!!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:32:13 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Bye, Brenda

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:32:13 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
I used the disposable pen from lilly. excellent for carrying around

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:32:13 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
B_D has a pen that delivers 1/2 units

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:32:52 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
I wish the disposable dosed 1/2 units. Would it have been that difficult to make it dose that way? I like the disposable. Disetronic's looks slim and I like that you can fill it.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:32:54 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Humalog now comes in disposable pens

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:33:22 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
ok...guess I need to do some research on line..you wouldn't happen to have all this info anywhere on CWD now would you Jeff? LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:33:25 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
I think Disetronic's new pen gives 1/2 units too

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:33:34 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Pen Mini:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_06_366.htm

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:33:36 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Renee, we are using Novopen with Actrapid and Insulatard, and we like it very much. needles are very thin and Sebasstian is very enthusiastic about them

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:33:46 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Steph , that's what I was using before I went on the pump. disposable pens containing Humalog

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:34:20 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
why am I NOT surprised Jeff!! Thanks!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:34:33 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Renee, sometimes I think we have everything. After all, CWD only has 5,723 pages.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:34:35 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:34:40 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Good thing about disposable pens is that losing one is not a major disaster.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:34:58 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Jeff that's ALL? lol.....

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:35:04 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Wow! Up 1400 pages since I last heard!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:35:14 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Steph: The Disetronic pen has one unit granularity. I have one in my hand.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:35:19 Eastern US
Connie (FMwebDesign@aol.com) from 152.163.205.59
Steph, can i ask you a medical question not related to the current topic? I just need to be sure I'm doing the right thing right now...

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:35:26 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
One more question, what do you all mean with LOL?
Than you?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:35:27 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
And growing , right Jeff? :-)
Hey Jeff I did get my keyboard fixed too!! thanks!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:35:41 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
shoot!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:35:53 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
lol - laugh out loud
rof - rolling on the floor

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:35:56 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Steve: Yeah, that's all. But there will be more tomorrow, after I post the transcript.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:36:00 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
LOL=Laughing Out Loud

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:36:10 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Alicia: LOL means "Laughing Out Loud."

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:36:20 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Judith beat me again!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:36:39 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
ROFLOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:36:41 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
Hello, better late than never?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:36:53 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Connie: By all means, ask away. We seem to be winding down anyway.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:36:54 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Yes, but Steve beat us both!! Youth!! (Ellen wasn't even in the race!! LOL)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:07 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
:-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:12 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
LOL also means lots of luck

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:16 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
Good night all. Thank you for the fun and info.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:19 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
How long has CWD been in existence?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:28 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Hey, Marcia/Twin!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:36 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Renee: CWD delivered its first web page in July 1995.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:38 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
you got it Marcia!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:44 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Connie
Did you need help with something?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:48 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Aw Ellen, don't be a sore loser!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:48 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Goodnight Ellen. See you in Orlando?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:37:53 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
G'Night Ellen... Finish Harry Potter?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:01 Eastern US
Connie (FMwebDesign@aol.com) from 152.163.205.59
our 9 yr old daughter, Diagnosed 5/99 is sick tonight, vomiting twice oops 3 times :( , won't drink or eat, my plan is to check BGs every 30 min. and give sips of juicy juice every 30 min.. is that right ? Oh, and decrease her bedtime N from 4 to 2

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:02 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
thank you very much, Iīm learning a lot about diabetes but at the same time Iīm improving my English. Hahahaha, lol

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:11 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Is it advisable to get flu shots and when?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:21 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Did parent chat start in May 96?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:23 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
GN Ellen

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:24 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
I am the winner....hee hee

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:26 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
From Sue - My posts won't post in the chat room anymore -- think Jeff banned me?? lol Will you tell him and Steph I said thanks for all they do please?? I'm off now, since my girls are glaring at me to use the computer. Nighty night

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:26 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
Ellen, have an extra second - if so.. can you instant message me for a sec.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:50 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
wow Jeff...I was 2 years behind the times then!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:38:58 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
good night Ellen. hope to find you again

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:39:03 Eastern US
Ellen from 152.163.197.182
LOL - laughing out loud.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:39:16 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Your English is wonderful, Alicia!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:39:18 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Judith: Chat rooms started in early 1996.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:39:20 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
sunshine
it is recommended by the Center for Disease Control that all people with diabetes get flu shot. Ask your ped when to get them

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:39:24 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
Connie, my quote is "one free puke"..then you need to be touching base with the Dr. check ketones and have records ready..

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:39:27 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
Ellen , little late to the draw... hee hee

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:39:33 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
connie, did you check her ketones?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:39:55 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Ellen: No one is banned at the moment. Tell Sue I don't know what the problem is.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:40:53 Eastern US
Connie (FMwebDesign@aol.com) from 152.163.205.59
Marcia -- this is what tech doc told us to do about a week ago... no ketones, she's had a tough week at school lots of extreme HIGHS and LOWS and too many trips to the nurses office

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:41:09 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
jeff, i need to ask you something but nothing to do with the chat at the moment. Could I?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:41:11 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Marcia: Interesting perspective. I'll have to remember that next time Marissa is sick.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:41:22 Eastern US
Janet from 207.70.168.17
what do you know about the pancreas transplant ?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:41:27 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Connie sounds good but call you team and let them know what's going on I would use regular popsicles and flat coke

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:41:28 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Alicia: By all means, ask away.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:41:56 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.204.183
well, I'm going to head out - hope everyone has a good night and picked up a lot of information -

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:42:07 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
ok..time for me to sign off now too...couldn't figure out Ellen's post since I knew she only has one girl ( not girls).. had to read it 3 times to realize it was from Sue via Ellen...DUH...time to put this tired brain on the pillow..oh NO!!!..just realized I stripped the beds & still haven't put the clean sheets on!!!...NIGHT!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:42:08 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
I'd suggest something other than juice...perhaps flat 7-up, ginger-ale, or Sprite. Juices..esp apple and grape...often cause diarrhea...and that may be the next symptom anyway.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:42:13 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Connie, is she always with HIGHS AND LOWS?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:42:16 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
All I know is that you also need a liver transplant in order to get a pancreas transplant?!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:42:31 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Janet: Pancreas transplants, at the moment, are generally reserved for adults with diabetes who also need a kidney transplant. The best place for information about transplants is the Insulin Free World Foundation at www.insulin-free.org.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:42:38 Eastern US
Renee (Melissa 16 dx'd at 9. pump 3 1/2 yrs) from 152.163.205.18
thanks Jeff & Steph, as always!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:42:49 Eastern US
Marc from 204.114.255.2
Does anyone have good advice about a child who just doesn't want his finger pricked again?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:42:59 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
If that is what they said I would follow his advice but if you have any concerns.. the bg's aren't stable or there are ketones you need to call and at least check in.. NEVER be afraid to call your team.. if you can't feel free to call them I would look for another group.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:43:07 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
night ms thanks 4 coming

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:43:30 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
a quarter a finger prick :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:43:36 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
good advice Marcia

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:43:43 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Marc: For kids who are afraid of finger sticks, try something like "Mozzy":
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_06_2a6.htm

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:43:50 Eastern US
Connie (FMwebDesign@aol.com) from 152.163.205.59
Alicia -- highs and lows came with the start of school last week. Stress, anxiety, excitement. She really wants to check her BGs in the classroom but must go to the nurses office -- she hated that and it is causing lots of problems

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:44:15 Eastern US
Marc from 204.114.255.2
I don't know about cash. My son was just diagnosed this weekend and he gets really anxious when he knows he has to be checked.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:45:06 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Marc, how old is he? how many tests are you doing a day?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:45:07 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
what r u using and how old is he?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:45:08 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Marc..how old?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:45:31 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Marc: If it's any consolation, kids quickly get used to finger sticks. Be sure that you're using a lancing device and lancets that are for kids. Try looking at the ones we've reviewed:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_06_200.htm

Some lancets are so big they hurt a lot.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:45:56 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
Steph will be 16 in a few weeks.. is starting soccer.. I have to do the talk with the coaches, I know it is going to tick her off. Think I should let her do it this year and pull them to the side soon to see if she did? (this is an ugly age!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:46:08 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
thanks Jeff you took the words right out of my fingers

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:46:17 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
I've personally tried many lancets and devices...prefer the Softclix

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:46:50 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
She should do it is she's willing but ask to be there as "support"

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:46:57 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
That's the approach Sue from IL is trying, Marcia.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:46:57 Eastern US
Marc from 204.114.255.2
I checked the pages here. They are really helpful. I am using the new B-D lancets and they seem okay. It's just trying to overcome his anxiety.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:47:06 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Marc..It gets better. My son was dx'd July 5 99 and shows some resistance, like getting us to chase him or hiding, but knows we're doing it. Usually TV is a good distraction and if possible do morning stuff while he's sleeping. Sad they have to wake up to that.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:47:16 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Many people feel that the Softclix is the least painful lancing device. The lancets are expensive, however -- about twice regular lancets.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:47:18 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Ha, ha! Steph does not know YOUR Steph!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:02 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
jeff i canīt write down all the addresses you are giving about different topics weīve talked about, are they included in your page index?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:03 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Marc Ultrafine Lancets (purple ones)don't hurt as much.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:20 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Marc: Anxiety is normal. My daughter Marissa has never had a problem with finger sticks. However, when she was four and five, she hated shots and I often had to run and catch her. Thank goodness she's outgrown that. At 12, she would be mighty hard to tackle.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:30 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
"God, Mom.. they know.. I'm not a baby!" "Quit worrying..get off my back.. " etc. etc

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:30 Eastern US
Steve from 204.60.13.150
well , sandman is calling.... goodnight everyone... *yawn* :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:31 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
the lancet device that comes with precision works ok

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:40 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Don't know that I'd recommend sneaking up on a newly dx'd kid.... Bad way to wake up! Dave sleeps through his MN pokes and insulin...

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:54 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Alicia: All the addresses are listed in links on the site. For products, click on the "Products" link on the home page. There will be links to everything I've mentioned.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:48:58 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
I like one that comes with the DEX can't feel that at all

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:49:28 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Goodnight Steve.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:49:40 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Marc I tell my son think of it this way the sooner we do it we can get on with other fun things. This really takes about 5 minutes out of each day. Most of the time, my son is happy, doing normal kid stuff. Yours may just be very scared. There's a book of good stories, The Dinosaur Tamer.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:49:51 Eastern US
Peggy from 205.153.60.35
Hi all

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:50:17 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
Hi, Peggy.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:50:33 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
hi

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:50:43 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Hello, Peggy

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:50:50 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
sunshine: Good idea. There are several good books for kids about diabetes. As you might expect, we have reviews of many beginning at:
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_06_a00.htm

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:51:03 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
thanks jeff, You know itīs md and Iīm very tired, no word of writing down web address

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:51:22 Eastern US
Marc from 204.114.255.2
Thank you, Sunshine. I'll check out the Dinosaur Tamer, he likes books. And I'll look for the purple ultrafine.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:51:36 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
hi peggy

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:51:48 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Alicia, they will ALL be in the archive of this chat, which Jeff says will be posted tomorrow.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:52:17 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
We don't sneak up on him. We discussed what he wants, if we could test and give insulin while sleeping. He was okay, more anxious when he's awake,thinking about it, slow to pick a finger or injection site. You just do it and get it over with and get back to kid stuff.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:52:17 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Yes, the transcript tomorrow will have all the links.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:52:57 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
Jeff, thanks for posting the pic of Judith and I and the kids at Tootsies> :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:53:18 Eastern US
Peggy from 205.153.60.35
Sunshine, how old is your son?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:53:24 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Marcia: You're very welcome.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:53:31 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Also my son was given Nintendo game about diabetes. Its fun and very educational. He's learned a lot in a few days.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:53:53 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
7 1/2

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:54:08 Eastern US
Connie (FMwebDesign@aol.com) from 152.163.205.59
Thanks for the good info. I just called our Endo team and waiting for a call back. I'm pretty sure I'm doing the right thing.. but it is best to alert them to any thing that might happen during the night... someone pass me the No-Doze ; )

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:54:22 Eastern US
Marc from 204.114.255.2
My son is 7.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:54:43 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
hope things get better Connie

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:54:47 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
Connie, :-) --boy, have been there done that many a night! Good luck

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:55:14 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Marc, aside from what you need to do, how's he doing?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:55:57 Eastern US
Connie (FMwebDesign@aol.com) from 152.163.205.59
things will get better :) Thanks for all the support :) Guess it's a good time to get through the CWD mail!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:56:03 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
just as important how r mom and dad doing?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:56:18 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Are there other kids at his school with it? We've heard there's one other at our school.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:56:27 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Well, it's getting to be time to wind down our special chat on schools. I'll leave this room open for another 10 minutes or so, then everyone will need to move to the Parents room so I can generate the transcript.

Many thanks to Steph Schwartz for helping out.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:56:35 Eastern US
Peggy from 205.153.60.35
Connie, surely you don't have delusions of ever actually sleeping?? haha

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:57:00 Eastern US
Marc from 204.114.255.2
He's taking it pretty well. A neighborhood kid came over and he explained all about his diabetes to him, including how he could feel bad if his blood sugar was low. But I wonder about what he is thinking and not saying. Maybe that is just my projection.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:57:09 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Yes, how mom and dad are doing is very important. Its a major life change.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:57:17 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
Yes, Thanks, Steph!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:57:43 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
Thank you very much. I really enjoyed this special chat session. I would like to get information about the Whatīs new bulletin you sent last year, so iīll e-mail you tomorrow Jeff. Good night for all of you. Itīs already august 17 here, i mean midnight and I get up at 6.30 tomorrow morning.
Great job Jeff and Steph. Thanks for everything?

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:58:01 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
An adult friend of mine with Type 1 said having a physical outlet for anger is very important for diabetic kids.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:58:04 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Marc, do you have the workbook and video, "It's Time to Learn About Diabetes"? It's free from Lilly...great to show the video to classmates (and teachers!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:58:14 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Marc e-mail me with any questions we'll be happy to help

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:58:32 Eastern US
alicia (carlosaste@hotmail.com) from 200.42.31.42
THANK YOU VERY MUCH :-).-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:58:36 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
must be tired -- way too many typos

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:58:36 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Goodnight Alicia.

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:58:54 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
come back soon alicia

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:58:56 Eastern US
Judith/IN (David, 13, dx'd at age 2 months) from 206.112.27.231
Bye, Alicia. Hope to "see" you again!

Mon Aug 16 1999 22:59:33 Eastern US
Marc from 204.114.255.2
Thank you. We will. My wife and I are doing pretty well. Just trying to deal with it and learn quickly.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:00:41 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Marc -- take 1 day at a time and remember he's a child who happens to have diabetes. Try to focus on him and not the diabetes

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:01:31 Eastern US
Marcia...WA (Stephanie..15 dx'd @ 2 1/2) from 206.190.132.179
So I'm Stephanie's physical outlet.. ?? LOL Thanks setting up the forum, Jeff.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:01:36 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
I think that's one of the hardest parts, so much to learn and the learning can't wait. When you are emotionally shocked and drained, its hard to absorb all that, let alone manage life(other kids) outside of the hospital from the hospital.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:01:38 Eastern US
Marc from 204.114.255.2
Good advice, thanks, going to sleep now Goodnight and thank you.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:02:15 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231

It's Time to Learn About Diabetes by Jean Betschart, MN, RN, CDE. Illustrations by Nancy
Songer, RN, MSN, CPNP. 1995. ISBN

Subtitled A Workbook on Diabetes for Children, this 110 page paperback book
was revised in 1995 and is a superb teaching tool for professional diabetes educators
and parents alike. Children will learn all about diabetes from Cindy and Mike, two
kids who also have diabetes. Simple biology lessons teach children about the
pancreas and the function of insulin, so they understand why they must perform blood
tests and take insulin injections. Full of drawing, matching, fill-in-the-blank and word
search activities, this book provides a fun way to teach children about diabetes.
Highly Recommended.

Both the video and workbook are available free from Lilly to families in the US by calling
http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.com/d_06_a00.htm

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:02:26 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
good night and keep in touch.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:02:28 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Marcia: You're very welcome.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:03:48 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
A couple more minutes and I need to close the room. Might I suggest that everyone adjourn to the Parents room.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:04:06 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Thank you all for coming
good night and hope to chat again soon
send us your ideas for "live" chats with the D-team

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:04:14 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
Will refreshments be served??? (SF of course!)

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:04:34 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
Thanks once again, Jeff and Steph.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:04:43 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Judith: I always have refreshments. Sometimes merlot, sometimes cabernet.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:04:51 Eastern US
sunshine from 209.110.248.72
Thank you Steph and Jeff and everyone else!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:05:00 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
CYBER refreshments

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:05:10 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Goodnight all ....

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:05:20 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
Ah....which would go better with the Snickers Kudo I just had??? LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:05:39 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Judith: Merlot goes with everything.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:06:10 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz, RN, MPH, CDE from 24.131.13.63
Jacob's Creek Merlot is great!!!!

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:06:33 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
OK, time to close the room.

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:06:36 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
Hmmm...Merlot and a Harley..... LOL

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:07:08 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock (Marissa (11) dx'd 1989) from 206.112.197.133
Judith: I'm complex. What can I say? :-)

Mon Aug 16 1999 23:07:33 Eastern US
Judith from 206.112.27.231
ROFLOL! Say Goodnight, Jeff!



                 
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