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Type 1 Support from October 10, 2001

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Wed Oct 10 2001 21:00:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Hi, all. Welcome to the type 1 dm virtual support chat. Whos out there tonight?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:01:21 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Hi Betty Beautiful B.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:01:37 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.58
Hello Betty

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:01:59 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I am here for the first time.. I kept meaning to make it on for one of these chats, but I always missed them :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:02:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Ellen and Heidyn - good to see you. And Sarah, so glad you could finally make it. This is a great bunch.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:02:58 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Hello everyone

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:03:52 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
How's everybody holding up? Anything in particular anyone wants to talk about tonight? Hi Caroljean -- thanks for dropping in.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:04:39 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Betty, do you know how much insulin the Paradigm pump will hold?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:04:56 Eastern US
Pam (John, 4, dx'd at 14 mos.) from 65.230.228.137
Hi everyone!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:05:03 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.58
Why are some type 1's much more prone to ketones then others?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:05:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
My cool thing to share is that it is FINALLY cooling off in AZ -- so nice not to feel the "blast furnace" when you open the door!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:05:31 Eastern US
Mike (type 1) from 216.126.162.207
:-) SPLASH!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:05:59 Eastern US
Sally (mom of Alex age 10) from 198.87.8.37
hello

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:06:08 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Ellen - I'm not sure about the capacity of the cartidge that will be marketed -- anybody else know?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:06:17 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
How long can humalog be exposed to heat before it goes "bad"?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:06:24 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Ellen, I think it's 180 units

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:06:55 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
and I also remember reading somewhere that the infusion sets would have a proprietary connection

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:07:12 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Sarah, do you know anywhere it says that on the web? A friend last night told me MiniMed told her it was 300 units, and I felt pretty sure it was wrong.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:07:52 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Ellen, let me look for you :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:07:56 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Pam, Mike, Sally - welcome! Heidyn, tendency to develop ketonsis is related to how complete the loss of beta-cells is. Some type 1's apparently retain the ability to make small amounts of insulin and for others, the well is completely dry.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:08:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Sarah, the asnwer to your question depends on whether the Humaloh is in a cartride , vial or prefilled pen and how "hot the heat" is...

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:08:34 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Ellen, here: http://www.diabetesnet.com/insulinpumps.html

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:08:39 Eastern US
Mike (type 1) from 216.126.162.207
I'd like to know that too sarah
and has anyone heard of the humalog expanding in the heat inside the resivoir?
I got some nasty lows after being out in the sun this summer

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:09:19 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Betty, would it be safe to assume that a prefilled pen going into a hot car would be fine until the a/c got the car cooled?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:09:19 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
BettyB...Mckesson wholesaler has stopped sending insulins (including Humalog) in coolers when shipped to pharmacies. When I called with my concern they said they had documentation that it was okay. I know those small trucks get very hot and cold here in Wisconsin. Should I keep pestering them?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:09:51 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Mike, most people seem to complain that the Humalog degrades in the heat.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:09:57 Eastern US
Mike (type 1) from 216.126.162.207
my mini med will hold 300 units

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:11:01 Eastern US
Mike (type 1) from 216.126.162.207
If it expanded wouldnt it find its way out of the resivoir into you?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:11:16 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I know I left a humalog pen in a hot car once for about two hours and it was definately bad..

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:12:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
caroljean, if I were you, I'd ask to see their documentation -- we have the same concerns here in Phoenix because of our heat and I have had people change insurance carriers in order to get a pharmacy benefit that allowed them to go and get their insulin at a pharamcy instead of through the mail. Freezing will "kill" insulin more quickly than exposure to heat, but neither is recommended by the manufacturers.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:13:02 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Thanks Sarah.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:13:03 Eastern US
SlideRule(CA) (Type 1; dx 1955 (injecting 45+ years)) from 63.93.102.169
BettyB: do you have any knowledge / experience, pro or con, with Sleep Sentry?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:13:37 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
no problem Ellen, I'm just glad I remembered it for you :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:13:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
If it wasn't a concern, Lilly reps wouldn't have electric refrigerators in their cars to hold their samples at a constant temp.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:14:28 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Sarah, I couldn't find it on the minimed site. (medtronic)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:15:22 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Thanks Betty...I've wondered if Bryan's highs were insulin related or not.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:15:35 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Ellen, I know.. the MiniMed website sometimes has dissapointingly little information on stuff I want to know :-(

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:16:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Sarah - playing catch up. The insulins are not THAT sensitive that a few minutes in heat that YOU can stand is likely to cause any noticeable change -- but the business of leaving insulin in a closed car in the summer for two hours -- I would expect that to lower the strength of insulin. If you're comfortable the insulin will do fine. If it's hot or cold enough to be a problem for a human for more than a few minutes, then it will also be a problem for the insulin.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:16:53 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Betty, thanks, that is very helpful, and I won't worry as much about those short extremes :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:17:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
SlideRule - I haven't had any experience with a Sleep Sentry for a lot of years.. anyone out there with recent experience -- or anyone who can compare SleepSentry to the GlucoWatch for nighttime?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:17:55 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
On Insulin-Pumpers some people have reported that Novolog lasts longer than Humalog without degrading.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:18:28 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Betty, Bryan has bent some pen needles and a Lantus syringe when injecting last week. Is this technique related?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:18:39 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
I have a friend who just got the glucowatch. She's running comparison tests with the CGMS, and various meters. I'll let you know her results next time.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:19:11 Eastern US
Pam (John, 4, dx'd at 14 mos.) from 65.230.228.137
What is Sleep Sentry?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:19:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Interesting, Ellen. HAs anyone noticed any differences between Humalog and Novolog when injected or through a pump?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:20:56 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
caroljean, for most folks bending needles is a rare occurence. Does he have any tissue hardening in the areas he's injecting? Or is he perhaps a "six-pack" guy with abs of steel?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:22:21 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Betty, my friend who is using the Novolog is doing so much better than she was on Humalog. She thinks she went downhill when she went from Regular to Humalog, but feels 100% better with the Novolog.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:22:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
caroljean, theother thing to consider of course is technique. The needles are getting so fine that if the hand wavers around much, and the insertion is not quick, the needles can be bent AGAINST the skin, befor even entering it?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:22:57 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
As much as Bryan thinks he has abs of steel, a firm belly is more descriptive. I'll nag him about
site rotation and see if that helps.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:24:31 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Ohhh...He does take along time to inject. Maybe his hand is shaking. I'll watch closer (if he lets me) Thanks Betty.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:24:43 Eastern US
Mike from 64.12.104.37
hi all

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:25:34 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.235
Hi ALL,,

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:25:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Ellen, I'd be interested in specific differences if she's mentioned them. The vast majority of our patients on Humalog have done outstandingly well over the years and we're not seeing any real differences from the Novolog yet -- but, of course, the numbers are still pretty small (of people using Novolog, that is).

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:26:13 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
caroljean, more than site rotation (which IS important but for other reasons) I'd say injecting into relaxed tissue gives the best result. Some young lifter type guys and girls have bellies now that you could bounce a ball off of -- and he may tense up in anticipation of the shot. Pinching up might help if that seems to be the case.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:27:06 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
The reason the belly is a site is that MOST people have FAT there -- and you want to inject into fat, not muscle.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:27:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Hi, KAren -- what time Down Under? Thanks for joining us.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:27:45 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.58
I have heard that some people who switch from Humalog to Novolog get more sensitive to insulin

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:27:57 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Betty, Zachary's doing great with the Humalog and I wouldn't have him change ...

Did you ever see the picture of the Dr. Tamborlane's patient with the lipodystrophy? I wonder if that person was reacting to Humalog?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:28:06 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.235
I have got company now, gotto go,, sorry, I want to chat too,,bye, :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:28:38 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.235
Betty.B it is 11:30am in Australia,,gotto go bye

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:28:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Company's good, karen. Come back another time! Bye.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:29:58 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.205.83
Ellen, how bad was the lipodystrophy? I've never seen a picture - not sure I would want to

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:29:59 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Hello
I met an interesting person last week. She is a nurse practitioner, formerly at Yale, now in Rochester, NY. She has been wearing a pump longer than any one else in the US....23 or 28 yrs. She was #8 to go on, but the only one still pumping.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:31:03 Eastern US
Mike(MA) from 64.12.104.37
did anyone attend the DCA conference last week? oh, Judith is that Sue Bates?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:31:13 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Ellen, I'll tell you one of the most important things I've learned in all these years -- and that's that every insulin acts uniquely in every person. No matter what the literature says -- if it's working or not working for a particular person, THAT's what matters. Now the odds of people doing well with Humalog, Novolog and Lantus are better than with the other insulins because they are far ore consistent -- but there are still differences!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:31:21 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
It was BAD Ms. I'll see if I can find it .

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:31:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
No, Ellen, I hadn't heard of that. Bill Tamborlane? Was the picture published somewhere?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:32:02 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
I did attend; that is Sue!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:32:20 Eastern US
ms from 152.163.205.83
ellen, what exactly was it the result of? long standing diabetes/injections or other causes?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:32:41 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Yes I think in Diabetes Care with a letter to the editor.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:33:19 Eastern US
Mike(MA) from 64.12.104.37
Judith, did you like it? have a daughter that goes to CBC, and we are very involved there..SUe used to be her nurse @ Yale

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:33:37 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
good evening all

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:33:49 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Was is lophypertrophy (raised bumps) or lipoatrophy (concave areas)?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:34:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Hi, Riley - welcome to the chat -- jump right in!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:34:31 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
It was a super conference. D camping people are the best!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:35:20 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Hi Riley -
This is my friend who's doing better on the Novolog AND she has the Glucowatch.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:36:00 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Also attending was my old friend the ped endo who has had d for 52 yrs - since he was 10. I first met him when he was a 3rd yr med student!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:36:03 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
Hey ellen

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:36:12 Eastern US
Mike(MA) from 64.12.104.37
totally Judith..my daughter has a lot of friends that were at the conference...did you meet the CBC youth reps?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:36:25 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Betty you can ask Riley yourself about the Novolog/Humalog difference.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:36:26 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
Yes I love NOVOLOG and the GLUCOWATCH is EXCELLENT!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:37:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Heidyn, in my experience and that of my colleagues I've spoken to in Europe where they've had both insulinsd for years, most people seem to exhibit no noticeable difference between Humalog and Novolog - but with any insulin there are always individuals who have an unusual response.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:37:24 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Met some of the kids working the conference. Also met Moira and Steve, who chat here and have daughters who attend CBC.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:37:34 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa...college junior...pumping 16 years) from 66.66.252.43
hi

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:37:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Riley -- soneone asked earlier about the Spee Sentry - could you say a few words about your expereince with Glucowatch - I guess I'm assuming you use it at night-- did it prove helpful?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:37:53 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Hi Judy

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:38:06 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Sorry about that!! my famous typing!! I meant to type "SleepSentry"

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:38:17 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Hey Judy -- how's it going?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:38:33 Eastern US
Mike(MA) from 64.12.104.37
oh yes, I've taled with them before!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:38:49 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
btw, the lipoatrophy article is no longer free to access at Diabetes Care. But if you have the journals, you can find it . Here's the reference:
Margaret E. Griffin, Arlene Feder, and William V. Tamborlane
Lipoatrophy Associated With Lispro Insulin in Insulin Pump Therapy: An old complication, a new cause?
Diabetes Care 2001 24: 174

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:38:50 Eastern US
Mike(MA) from 64.12.104.37
Steve's daughter and my daughter know one another from camp

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:39:04 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa...college junior...pumping 16 years) from 66.66.252.43
doing fine, thanks

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:39:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Thanks, Ellen -- I'll look it up

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:39:41 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Riley, any burns from the Glucowatch? How accurate is it? What have you compared it to?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:39:56 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa...college junior...pumping 16 years) from 66.66.252.43
If I thought the glucowatch really was beneficial, I'd make the investment

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:40:21 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Several approaches to lipoatrophy, none of them terribly successful. One is a change to Velosulin. Another involves injecting steroid into the area, to try to cause hypertrophy to fill in the gaps.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:41:05 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Slide still here? He tested the watch for a while. I saw it at AADE in August. Even their rep admitted it still has lots of shortcomings.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:41:30 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
I actually wear the watch almost all the time, I love the watch after it warms up (3hrs) it checks you every 20 minutes. I have had very little burning and it has made a wonderful difference in tighter contol for me. I test about 25 times a day but you still miss things. with the watch you can get it all. It does not ready if you are sweaty, or can not get wet but other than that I love it. It alarms to lo's that you set in the value and also the highs that you can preset.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:42:04 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa...college junior...pumping 16 years) from 66.66.252.43
Riley - are the alarms loud enough to wake you?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:42:25 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
I have done 3 tests on my own so far one with the MInimed glucose sensor, one with the ultra meter and one with the freestyle meter and it reads pretty closely to all of them

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:42:33 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
yes the alarms did wake me up

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:42:44 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa...college junior...pumping 16 years) from 66.66.252.43
since they acknowledge some problems yet, it would seem they would offer you a free upgrade when needed

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:43:42 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
true it is not perfect it does not like sudden temp changes and sweat or water is a bad thing but so far it is GREAT putting those things aside

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:43:48 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
If you have to wait 3 hours to warm up - that's 6 hours you have to be without it per day. Would you recommend people get 2 watches so they can start the warmup process on the second one before the first one wanes?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:43:54 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Each time you take it off (to shower, etc), you have to let it warm up another 3 hrs, right?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:44:19 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
How do you NOT sweat in south Florida?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:44:30 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
if I was not in the trails would I have run out and bought one....NO not YET but I have one and I am happy with it, does not mean I would not make changes

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:44:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
lipoatrophy in the old days was due to insulin impurities and immune reactions to animal insulin -- standard treatment was to switch to either human or purified pork insulin and then inject it directly ito the area. It would be interesting to know what they think the mechanism is for lipoatrophy now in insulins that are unbelieavbly pure and are not Antigenic??? Knowing why would give us a better clue as to what to do about it.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:44:45 Eastern US
mandy (brooke 10) from 4.18.5.18
hi everyone just a quick question Riley, how come you still test 25 times a day when you wear the watch.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:44:51 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
But you're not "without" it, right? YOu are wearing it while it warms up. Would be pretty awkward to have 2 of them on.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:45:40 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
yes I beleive they will have an upgrade program, but it is not out for sale yet. I get sweaty when I work out and then I shower and start over for my night time testing

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:46:19 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
Yes you MUST wear it whil it warms up...that was one of the chief complaints I had 3 hrs is way too long

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:46:57 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Has it ever alarmed for you at night and got you up?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:47:58 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
I have been putting it on at 8:30am and it is ready by 11:30am it will read till 11:30 pm, and it did work when I went to the gym yesterday guess it depends on how my body temp is. SO I covered it when I took a shower and it still worked till 11:30 pm last night

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:48:36 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
hello

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:49:04 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
I have my low range set a bit higher than the normal so it did wake me up one night and I was only 90 but I had dropped from 150 in the 20 minutes so it caught it before I did sleeping

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:49:10 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
hello room

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:49:12 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Betty have you worn the Glucowatch?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:49:17 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Hello all

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:49:26 Eastern US
rea from 199.120.105.118
hi

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:49:45 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
Mandy I am not testing that much with the watch now that I have confirmed it is acurate

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:49:57 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
testing about 12 times now

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:50:05 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa...college junior...pumping 16 years) from 66.66.252.43
Riley - have you made many basal changes based on the watch?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:50:20 Eastern US
mandy (brooke 10 pumping 2 years) from 4.18.5.18
i would love Brooke to trial oneof those but i dont think we have them in australia yet

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:50:21 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Hi to Connie, Malibu, Sherri and Rea

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:50:52 Eastern US
mandy (brooke 10 pumping 2 years) from 4.18.5.18
oh ok, Brooke can test up to 12 times a day this is supposed to reduce that isnt it

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:50:54 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
The watch rep told me that no changes in management should be based on the watch.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:51:13 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa...college junior...pumping 16 years) from 66.66.252.43
when is the NEW date for marketing of the Glucowatch?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:51:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Riley, one of my concerns about the Glucowatch and the other continous monitoring products that will be coming out is exactly what people will do with the info. Even testing six or seven times a day, some people can't resist the temptation to "tweak" their insulin every time they get a number. And for some people, all that bolusing makes for crazy blood sugars because peaks begin to stack and overlap. How are you using so much information to produce the good result you're getting?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:51:49 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
I really did not need to make any basal changes because I run pretty consistant basal rates .8 daily and .6 at night with novolog

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:51:51 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
When you calibrate, do you have to enter into the watch what your fingerstick bg is at the time?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:52:22 Eastern US
mandy (brooke 10 pumping 2 years) from 4.18.5.18
Riley I have to go to a support meeting at our hospital now but could you email me some more information on the watch please my addy is mandysue62@hotmail.com

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:52:45 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Riley, I'm worried you like it so much, you're not going to let Zachary try it!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:53:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Yeah, Ellen - I've worn one a couple of times. We did research on it for the company at the center. Burned the stuffins out of my skin so I'm not a good candidate. Maybe it's the red hair! LOL

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:53:21 Eastern US
Judith (David, 15, dx'd at age 2 months; Vanya, 17, dx'd at 6) from 63.162.254.40
Think you could get Z to wear it? Not sure it would be "cool"....

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:53:26 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Has anyone used the new Lantus insulin

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:54:04 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
Betty I have lived a long hard life with diabetes the info we have collected on me has been very valuable. However I agree with you sometimes too much will get you into the same trouble as not enough. My doctor uses my info in alot of studies research and I use it for teaching tools as I am a diabetes educator. I am beyond the age where daily basal rate changes are needed. Puberty has long passed me

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:54:04 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Sherri, I am on Lantus, I like it a lot :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:54:14 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Yes, Bryan uses Lantus.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:54:41 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
I will let Z use it I already told you that :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:55:24 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Judith - Z is the "anti-cool" kid.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:56:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Thanks for sharing that, Riley. You reinforce my feelings. If the information is used to understand what's going on, it's incredibly valuable most of the time -- bt if you obsess over every number and feel like you have to "DO SOMETHING!" about it, it can drive you crazy!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:56:30 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Wow I've been D 33 years, and still make basal changes!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:56:36 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
Hi all... I am more looking forward to the minimed continuous monitor than the watch which is big, ugly, burns lots of peoples skin, and definitely will NOT be worn by my son, who "is" cool

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:56:36 Eastern US
Wendy from 12.78.70.121
Hi Everyone

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:56:51 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Then the watch may be perfect for Z! :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:56:53 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
I am going to be honest on the under side of my arm it burnt me also, but on the top like you would wear a normal watch it does very well. The calabration does need a finger stick imput just that one time

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:57:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Sherri - were you looking for any particular info about Lantus? Sounds like we have some experienced folks here and I have some experience in a few of our patients as well.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:57:17 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Hi Kate and Wendy

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:57:34 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
Connie before NOvolog I was making changes daily also

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:57:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Wendy, Kate and Connie - welcome!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:57:40 Eastern US
mandy (brooke 10 pumping 2 years) from 4.18.5.18
i have heard of that too Kate, we are far behind with that sort of thing in Australia

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:57:50 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Betty some people do that with fingersticks - obsess over every number. Do you think it's more common in women? I've yet to meet a man who does.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:58:08 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
Hi All :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:58:20 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Well the Dr said that at the next visit he might let us try it but we are working on an afternoon high first.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:58:37 Eastern US
mandy (brooke 10 pumping 2 years) from 4.18.5.18
gotta go wish i could stay it all sounds very interesting...great numbers to you all. bye for now

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:58:45 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
I'm using Lantus also, but my afternoon sugars were running high, so i split the dose for evening and morning...now I'm running too high in the mornings!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:58:55 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Ellen, I've definitely met guys who do it too.

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:59:17 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
hey everyone how are all you guys

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:59:21 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
What's the diff b/t Novolog and Humalog?

Wed Oct 10 2001 21:59:35 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
From what I've heard, Lantus DOES have a peak in about 20% of people.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:00:00 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
I think the afternoon highs are something that needs work on because we are still getting use to all day school and a very hovering teacher

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:00:01 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 18) from 209.162.20.143
On some diabetes sites, it seems everyone is trying to get such a LOW a1c...makes me wonder if we are normal around my house

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:00:03 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
Anyone else noticed that with Lantus

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:00:04 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/24/6/1120

Insulin lispro (Humalog, U-100; Eli Lilly, Indianapolis, IN) Insulin aspart (NovoRapid, U-100; Novo-Nordisk, Bagsveard, Denmark

The time period from injection to half the maximum value and to peak insulin concentration was significantly shorter during insulin lispro, indicating a faster absorption of this insulin.
The main finding of our study is that the free insulin profiles of aspart and lispro resemble each other, but insulin lispro shows a more rapid uptake, reaches the maximum peak concentration earlier, and shows a more rapid decline than insulin aspart. We believe this finding may be of clinical importance.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:00:13 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
MaLiBu...Do you inject Lantus twice daily?!?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:00:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Malibu,about 10-15% of people seem to need to split the Lantus dose. Did you change the night dose when you added the morning one?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:00:29 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Novolog=NovoRapid

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:00:50 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
the main differences between novo and humalog is that the novo use different buffers and strains than humalog. they also do not add zinc to their insulin

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:01:17 Eastern US
SlideRule(CA) (Type 1; dx 1955 (injecting 45+ years)) from 63.93.102.169
MaLiBu: when you 'split' the dose for Lantus, do you use TWO injections in the morning, that is, one for Lantus, and, another for Humalog??? OR, are you using one syringe for the morning insulins of Lantus and Humalog?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:01:19 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
Yes..I did change both doses!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:01:19 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Teacher is watching what Keisha is picking for lunch and then makes her change things like choc milk for regular and no pudding things like that

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:01:23 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Betty, for a dear friend - can you recommend a place that is brilliant re diabetes and eating disorders? An in-patient facility?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:01:55 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 18) from 209.162.20.143
you need to have a talk with that teacher, unless you want her to do that. Can Keisha take a packed lunch?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:02:10 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Ellen, I know that there is one for teens in FL someplace. Could probably get the name/location from Sam, who has sent a pt there in the past. Difficult to get a spot, however.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:02:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Connie, in general Humalog and Novolog act very similar. Both are very fast to peak and clear out much more rapidly than Regular - they are great meal insulins and very effective for high blood sugar bolusing too.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:02:19 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Betty...How does split dosing Lantus work? Is it because of the 20% incidence of a peak?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:02:33 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Kate we are working with the teacher so she will understand but it is hard

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:02:40 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 18) from 209.162.20.143
I have read that some people seem to be needing LESS novolog...is this common?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:03:03 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
well friend I must go for the evening I have a lot of work to finish and early morning ahead you can feel free to email me any questions to diabeteswizard@aol.com

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:03:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Ellen, we are working with Remuda Ranch in Wickenburg AZ. They are GREAT for the eating disorders and are working to build their diabetes skills.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:03:51 Eastern US
Riley (diabetes 24 years pump 9 years) from 152.163.205.46
goodnight all nice chatting

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:03:56 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
This is NOT for a teen. This is for a woman who has had diabetes and eating disorder for MANY decades

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:03:57 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Does anyone know anything about Type 1b diabetes

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:04:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Riley - thanks SO MUCH for coming and sharing tonight. You added a lot.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:04:05 Eastern US
Heidyn (type 1) from 164.106.22.58
Goodnight everyone

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:04:17 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Thanks Betty B.
Good night Riley.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:04:28 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Bye Riley and Heidyn

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:04:46 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Dr said he would check then told us he has no way of finding anything out. I was kind of let down.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:04:58 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Well probably can't get Novolog here anyway, lamtus doesn't look like it's going to pass the FDA regulations

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:04:59 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
That's type 1 that is not autoimmune.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:05:42 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Ellen, Kris and I are inservicing these folks at remuda Ranch - and they're learning. I haven't personally heard of any other eating disorder inpatient facility that's even real interested in diabetes and tries to integrate the issues. But maybe someone else knows of a place? Anybody?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:06:00 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
There is a certain percentage of folks with type 1 of presumably autoimmune origin who never show antibodies.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:06:07 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Judith is there a test to tell the difference

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:06:52 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
The antibody tests, Sherri....but in practice, doesn't make much difference. Treatment is exactly the same.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:07:05 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
sherri a test to show the difference about what ? sorry i didnt see i havent been on here long

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:07:40 Eastern US
Kate (Brendan 18) from 209.162.20.143
I don't think my son ever had an antibody test...is it common?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:08:09 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Jenna Type 1 a & b

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:08:35 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
No real reason to do it in most cases, Kate. Can be used if there is a question re: type 1 vs type 2

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:08:37 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Will anyone be at the APhA Diabetes Conference in Atlanta in 2 weeks?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:08:41 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Z never had any diabetes antibody tests either - although he has thyroid antibodies now.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:08:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Type 1b is apparent;ly on the rise or maybe just finally being recognized. Looks a bunch like type 1a at first, although immune tests will be negative. Most people end up with a very small insulin need and a few can even get along for periods of time without insulin -- but will need insulin to maintain really good control.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:08:47 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
My child is the only African American child that the drs are treating right now and I want to make sure all the bases are covered

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:08:53 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i dont even know what an antibody test is i dont guess i have ever had one

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:09:28 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Ah, Sherri. Type 1b is more common in African Americans.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:09:50 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
But as I said, mainly academic interest. Treatment would be the same.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:09:58 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
And to make it worse she is adopted and we can't get family history

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:10:18 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Kate, I had to fight to get antibody testing done to PROVE I was type 1.. I saw a Dr to start with for my diabetes who made the assumption that even though I was only 20, perfectly normal weight, and no family history, I couldn't be anything but a type 2

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:10:52 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Sherri, Type 1b is most often seen in African Americans so it sounds likely that they are on the right track -- and it's actually impressive that they knew what 1b WAS == not every doc around the country would catch the difference.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:10:53 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well when i was first diagnosed they said i was type on and then they though i might be both so they tried me on a pill and it doesnt work so i guess i still need my insulin and i guess im type 1 all the way

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:10:54 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Betty, do you know Joyce Sapik at Remuda? Does she understand pump therapy?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:10:59 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
That is, African American child is more likely to have 1b than a Caucasian child is. African Americans can also have type 1a of course.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:11:21 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
what exactly is 1b i dont understand

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:11:39 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
needless to say I am indeed a type 1, and I had to change Dr's to get one to do that antibody testing

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:12:29 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
It wasn't the Dr that mentioned it I found it and ask him. I am upset because I feel I am getting brushed off

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:12:39 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
There are so many odd names for the various types of diabetes, it makes me crazy

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:13:00 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
Out of all the 'pumpers' in here..did the insurence pay a large sum of the cost or was it basically free for promotion reasons or otherwise?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:13:25 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
for instance...MODY maturity onset diabetes of youth, when it is actually youth onset diabetes of maturity

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:13:36 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Did I misunderstand the Lantus split dose concept? Is it being used twice daily occasionally?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:13:42 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
our insurance paid 80%

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:13:54 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
And MODY is actually very rare. Most type 2 kids are just that: type 2.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:14:10 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
the monitors are often free

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:14:17 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
I agree about the confusing name of MODY, Kate!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:14:20 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
my insurance paid 100%

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:14:36 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
I am in Utah and Last visit I asked about the differences. Dr said he had a Dr friend back east he would check with. This month at check up he said Oh I don't know how to find out about it. He got my hopes up on more information then acted dumb.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:14:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Ellen, I don't know Joyce. Have been working with a couple of docs, director of nursing and a dietitian so far, getting ready for the workshop we're doing for them. be advised they will take off the pump when the patient checks in. This is not a negotiable policy as I understand it. They insist on insulin administration by medical personnel initially. They explained to me that it's a psych hospital and no one is allowed to keep anything they can hurt themselves with -- and with a pump under or over administration of insulin would be possible. They remove that as a variable, at least initially. One of the things we're talking with them about is building the skills to get people back on their pumps self-managing before discharge.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:14:43 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Dave's pump was covered 100%, by primary and secondary insurance.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:14:49 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
My husband's insurance paid 80% of my son's pump and pump supplies.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:15:05 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
yes, Judith, that has been a very confusing thing in the literature I have looked at

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:15:20 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well im with sarah i dont think my doctor had that right the pill is not working for me when i was on insulin it was fine then they thought i might have type 2 and is having me to try the pill and it stays high all the time and im on the highest amount of the pill they can give me and still taking some insulin and it is still high so i think i am type one and i think they need to stop messing with it and put me back on all insulin and forget the pill

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:15:59 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
so should i ask for an antibody test

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:16:14 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, I agree, control is the most important thing as far as diabetes goes, and if you do best on insulin then that's what you should be on..

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:16:21 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, how long have you had D?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:16:35 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
Jenna, are you at all heavy? (don't answer if you don't want)...but maybe that is why they think type 2

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:16:43 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
well thats promising news...i'm goin to look into getting a pump as soon as possible

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:16:50 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Antibody tests don't stay positive. They may have been around the time of dx but not be now. Is your doc a ped endo?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:16:52 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Thanks for clarifying Betty. She would NOT allow someone else to figure out her insulin needs...hasn't a clue how to take long acting anymore. Most people with eating disorders tend to take less insulin than they need for the carbs so they can lose weight though, right?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:17:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
caroljean, somewhere around 10% of people nned to take Lantus twice a day, instead of once, to get stable blood sugars. You can tell this is necessary if the nighttime dose is adjusted so the fasting BG is in target, but blood sugars start rising later in the day. Then a second shot of Lantus can be added in the morning. The night dose stays the sme and the morning dose seems to end up being about half as much as the night dose.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:18:13 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
I would certainly agree with the no pump policy of that facility. Had several kids manipulating insulin with pumps at camp this summer. Spent lots of nights glazed in glucose gel treating their lows!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:18:37 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
I have a question....as far as I understand theres no such thing as 'borderline' diabetes, your either type 1, 2..or it's gestational. Two women at my work claim there borderline?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:18:55 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
Judith, why would they give too much insulin?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:19:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Insulin omission is a very common behavior among eating disordered patients for sure. I don't think any eating disorder inpatient facility is going to do things any differently, Ellen. If she could be rational about food and the insulin it takes to handle it, she wouldn't need to be there.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:19:55 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Sort of like "a little bit pregnant"?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:20:11 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Kate, for the attention, I guess.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:20:26 Eastern US
Kate from 209.162.20.143
Thanks Betty, and all...I have to go

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:21:01 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Malibu, I agree - I think less than brilliant doctors use the word borderline to mean "we're not going to treat it until it's totally out of control"

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:21:13 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
MaLiBu..Could be glucose intolerance. (BG higher than normal but not high enough to be diabetes)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:21:18 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well im not fat and im not skinny annd yes i see a ped endo

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:21:27 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Ellen, great way of putting that!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:21:40 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Bye Kate

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:21:54 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Malibu - many people have been told by a doctor that they're "borderline." it's an old fashioned concept and not true -- but old baloney can hang around a long time. Chances are they actually have type 2 diabetes, or they might have a condition appropriately called "impaired glucose tolerance," where blood sugars are abnormal but not quite high enough to diagnose diabetes.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:22:33 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
IGT (impaired glucose tolerance) is considered a "pre-diabetic" state, so it's possible that is what they might mean by borderline

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:22:52 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
but im thinking of changint to an adult endo if my ped endo doesnt put me back on all insulin

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:23:15 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.51
Good night Kate.
Good night all. Betty, THANK YOU!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:23:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
The thing is, people with impaired glucose tolerance have the same risk for heart disease as epople with diabetes - so why quibble?? Just treat it for heaven's sake!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:23:33 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Jenna, do you have a sliding scale to work with?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:23:46 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Lots of terminology: borderline, pre-diabetes, chemical diabetes - now "impaired glucose utilization" Pretty much all the same thing, no matter what you call it.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:23:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Night, Ellen. Thanks as always for adding so much!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:23:53 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Also, I've noticed that a lot of "older" (maybe 50+?) people who think they know a lot about diabetes and really don't, refer to diabetes phrases like "stable", rather than "in control".. just a mindset I suppose

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:24:15 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
Yeah....thats what i tries telling them, that they are probably type 2, would they would have none of it.It seems so many people are still outdated with it

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:24:23 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i saw a regular doctor and she said he needed to take care of it because she used to work with kidney transplants and she said uncontrolled diabetes is the number 1 cause

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:24:26 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Night, Ellen

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:24:53 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Hey watch who you're calling "older"!! LOL

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:25:01 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Sarah, I've never been in control of my diabetes, it has and always will control me, I do manage very well though

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:25:21 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
yes i have a sliding scale but my ped endo wanted to see if the pill works so if i used the sliding scale he wouldnt be able to tell

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:25:47 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Host - AZ) from 198.81.16.182
Yikes -- just noticed we're way over time!! No wonder I'm so darned hungry!! Good night you guys - thanks so much for coming to share tonight!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:25:50 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
And I'm not 50+ either

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:26:05 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Jenna...what drug are they trying?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:26:11 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Night Betty!! THanks

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:26:27 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Thanks, Betty. Bye....

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:26:28 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Judith, I justified it by saying "those who think they know a lot about diabetes but really don't"... like my mom.. who is a NURSE... drives me insane all the time asking if I am "stable".. like what is that even supposed to mean.. is that even possible as a type 1?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:26:31 Eastern US
Wendy from 12.78.70.121
Night Betty

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:26:57 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Thank you BettyB!!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:27:02 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
gloucophage

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:27:57 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, I've been on LOTS of meds for type 2, none of them work on type 1, and if they do anything at all, it is VERY unpredictable, and quite scary sometimes!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:28:20 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
the way i see it if it cant be controlled with pills you are type 1 well mine is always high in other words does not contrl it so im type 1

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:28:48 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
what do you mean unpredictable

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:29:03 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
How high Jenna?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:29:03 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I've been on glucophage, glucotrol, glucovance, avandia, etc (not all at the same time). maxed out all doses, was still having fastings in the 300+ range

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:29:07 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
for how long have you been diabetic Jenna?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:29:10 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
and what do you mean scary

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:29:41 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, some people with type 2 don't do well on pills, but they aren't type 1.. the "type" refers more to the physiology of the disease

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:29:49 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well it stays in the 200's and goes to 3,4,and 5oo's

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:29:56 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Jenna, takes a combination of meal plan, exercise, and perhaps meds to manage type 2.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:30:27 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i was diagnosed jan.10,2001

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:30:30 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
I was just told i was diabetic last year and sent home with some insulin!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:30:38 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Jenna...Do you every have Ketones?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:30:47 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Many type 2s do eventually need insulin, but that's usually after many years. Are you following a meal plan? Are you getting regular exercise?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:30:52 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
Hi all

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:31:06 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, I mean lows out of nowhere, highs out of nowhere.. when I was on Glucotrol for example, I would be at 250-300, then I'd be int he 40's in 20-30 minutes, because of the unpredictability in the way type 1's with some insulin production react to those drugs

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:31:10 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
Is there anyone else in here going to the Barbara Davis center??

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:31:44 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
That's rough, Malibu. Have you had any d education since then?
Actually, some type 2s can produce ketones at times. The differences are not as clear cut as once thought.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:31:45 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well im not thinking im type 2 it was doing really great when i was only taking insulin

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:31:50 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I was still very much in the middle of my honeymoon then, this was about 2 1/2 months after I had my son, and I had been off insulin for as long (I was on insulin while I was pregnant and they just thought I had gestational diabetes)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:32:08 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, go back on insulin then :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:32:12 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Hi Laura

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:32:26 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
how long have you had D?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:32:30 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
sometimes especially when i was diagnosed my sugar was 1099

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:32:49 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Hi Laura.. doing ok today?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:32:54 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Judith...Late stage Type2 after B cell burnout or early ketones?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:33:02 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Jenna, it's good you're educating yourself, have you asked your mom to change doctors?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:33:29 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, if you sugar was that high when you were dx, then I'd bet you are type 1.. type 2's are not usually that high when they are dx

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:33:31 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i get exercise im athletic and eat right my readings dont go from 300 to 40 they stay high and dont go down

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:33:31 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
im ok sarah, wish my sugar was tho :-(

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:33:37 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Can have ketones even at the time of dx, CJ.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:33:48 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
For the first week I was cluless, but out of luck, I got into one of the best medical centers for childhood diabetes (Barbara Davis cener) in colorado, and they'v been nothing but great. They have all the newest research going on there- It's great!!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:34:19 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
BDC is considered by many to be the best place in the US for treating type 1 in kids.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:34:31 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
Laura...where are you writing from?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:34:58 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
And do you have ketones, Jenna?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:35:11 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well today i went to a reg. doctor she said i needed to get it straigned out i told her i was going to tell the endo to put me back on all insulin

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:35:17 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Does sound as if something different needs to be tried, Jenna.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:35:36 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
and she thinks if he dont i might need to go to an adult endo

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:35:59 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Jenna, where are you located? What do your parents think about all this?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:36:12 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
im at home in Pennsylvania

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:36:16 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i love getting on the chats i love learning about something that effects me

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:36:44 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Ped endos are likely to have more experience with type 1 than adult endos.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:36:47 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, just call your Dr, and demand to go back on Insulin if that's what you want to do.. I spent 3 months not standing up for myself before I switched Dr's.. remember the Dr works for you..

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:36:53 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
yes light

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:36:53 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Judith...being taught for APhA Type2 enough insulin to body can metabolize ketones produced.
Where can I find info to bring to conference?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:37:27 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
ohhhh, I was just wondering. I'm in Phoenix- not too close!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:37:55 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well she is supposed to tell the endo to quit the pills and put me back on just insulin and if he dont we will probably switch endos

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:37:58 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
actually.. I did casually mention that I thought I should be back on insulin with my first Dr, but she just kept saying, let's try this first.. etc.. I caved every time..

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:38:23 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i live in tennessee and go to vanderbilt

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:39:09 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D)) from 203.34.200.249
Hi ALL,,

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:39:28 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
wb Karen :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:39:29 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well i did just fine on insulin and it stayed normal most of the time

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:39:33 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Hi Karen!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:40:03 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Jenna, just remember insulin isn't perfect either!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:40:07 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
CJ, not sure about what you are asking?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:40:24 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Vanderbilt docs should certainly know what's what.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:40:32 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
So, what have I missed out on today ?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:40:45 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Hi Karen.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:40:57 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
hiya Karen

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:40:58 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well if he doesnt fix it and lets it go on something bad might happen i dont want my kidneys to fail because i didnt stand up for myself

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:41:00 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Judith...Did you ever see DKA in Type2? Maybe that's what they are getting at. Not high enough to monitor?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:41:17 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
karen, lots! but I missed most of it too, giving seth a bath and eating pizza! :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:41:29 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
I personally have not seen type 2 with DKA, but it is possible.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:41:30 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
but connie my sugar is never normal now its always high

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:42:22 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, from the information I've been able to get, being "high" like that for a little while isn't as likely to cause problems as if you were to go a few years.. I wouldn't worry so much about it, just try to get everything back in order

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:42:31 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well im pretty sure im type 1 and now they have messed with it and it has went out of control

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:42:43 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
I have company over for a while,, I didnt think that me chatting here was the right thing to do while they were here :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:42:44 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
and by a little while I mean a couple months

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:42:50 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Then Jenna, time to call the endo, or change to a new ped endo and make sure you get the right treatments

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:43:17 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well im telling the endo tomorrow to put it back the way it was or we are switching endos

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:43:18 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
I have been letting mself run high for the past two weeks , eating whatever I'v wanted and not sticking to any plan...i felt terrible, so on Monday i made a complete turn around for improvement, and aready I'm feeling tone better- It makes such a differnce!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:43:43 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, go for it! :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:43:44 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
they should have left it alone to begin with

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:43:48 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Aw Karen, they have no imagination!!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:43:50 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Jenna, one problem with insulin therapy is that it tends to cause weight gain. If you have some to lose, your doc may be holding off on insulin, hoping that the combination of meal plan, exercise and oral meds will result in weight loss and better numbers.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:44:07 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I feel better now (and for the past couple months) than I have in over a year before this..

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:44:36 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Good for you, Malibu! - literally! That's the very best reason to take care of yourself: because it makes you feel better now.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:44:45 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
and amazingly enough, I've lost weight since I've gone back on insulin, 10-15lbs total now

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:44:50 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
How often do you get in contact with your endo ? 3, 6 monthly ??

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:44:52 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well its been like 2 or 3 months since thy tried to change it and its been high from the first day

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:44:54 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
weight gain? im still a tooth pick

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:45:33 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
It really does pay of...using will power. Even though, i get so sick and tired of trying and being so ridged all the time

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:45:36 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
my numbers were almost perfect my a1c was like 6.0

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:45:36 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
It impresses me that girls your age are trying to take care of yourselves, I was terrible at that/those ages

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:45:47 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
lol laura.. just eat more, and have less highs! lol

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:45:58 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
But Sarah, you are busy caring for a baby. That is exercise!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:46:07 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
I should have put Vic on here his has type 2 diabetes, for about 5 years now,

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:46:29 Eastern US
Sherri (Keisha 6, dx'd 5/00) from 209.181.86.227
Night all and Thanks

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:46:31 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
if it wasn't for him.. I would probably still be in denial and not taking care of myself.. but I do it for him so that in 20 years I will get to see him graduate :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:46:48 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Judith - I wish it counted as excersize!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:47:02 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i call my endo every week now they have me to take insulin 3 times a day plus 4 pills and its high what do you guys think type 1 or 2

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:47:03 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Night, Sherri. Good to see you here.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:47:18 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Night Sherri

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:47:24 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
my house has a pool, which I maintain myself, and I always joke with my CDE that just *cleaning* the pool is a working, she says that doesn't count.. but oh yes it does!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:47:33 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i want to take care of myself i dont want it to be high

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:47:38 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
working = work out

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:47:43 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
oh boy do i ever eat sarah, Night Sherri

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:47:53 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Jenna, that's something that should be decided by your well qualified docs, not here at the chat.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:48:29 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Bye Sherri, chat another time

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:48:40 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
But I applaud you for being involved in your care, and wanting to have better numbers.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:48:41 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, I think you are type 1, and if you've been diagnosed less than a couple years you should ask about antibody testing.. it could very well be negative at this point and not tell you much, but if it's positive would prove it

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:49:04 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Laura, you must be like my sister.. she eats EVERYTHING, and she is skinny

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:49:07 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i just want to know what you think about all the mess im in we had to call the endo last night cause it was 505

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:49:08 Eastern US
Judith from 63.162.254.40
Time for me to go. See you all another day. This room will probably close soon, and you'll be bounced to the parent chat. Night....

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:49:13 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
she doesn't have D though

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:49:20 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
nite judith

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:49:35 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
actually.. both my sisters are like that :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:49:41 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i thank you for your opinion sarah

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:50:00 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
but my little sister is only 15, so her being skinny hardly counts yet :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:50:10 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
Night Judith

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:50:21 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, how long have you been on the pills?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:50:23 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Jenna,, can I ask what are the pills for ? when you take insulin,

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:51:08 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
my mom probably said somethig sooner but now she doest even think its gonna work so i think i have got her to want to say something now

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:51:26 Eastern US
caroljean (mom of bryan 15) from 169.207.125.69
Good night everyone.

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:52:00 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
since about june or july

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:52:10 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Jenna, no one in this room should tell you what to do, I think we all think you need to see a ped endo, and quickly

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:53:06 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
the pills are for the endo thought the pills might work but evidently they dont and yes my dosage got lowered a bit and now stays high all the time

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:53:29 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Jenna, personally I do think that if they were going to work, you'd see some difference now, but like connie said, you need to call and see your Dr, and make your concerns very clear, and let them know what your expectations in your treatment are, and let them know what you would like to do

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:53:32 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i see a ped endo

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:54:21 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
How open is eveyone in here about testing in front of others. At first I would'nt but now i'm not so consiouse???

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:54:40 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Jenna, if you're not confident with this ped endo find a new one

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:54:40 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well we call them every week but i think my mom is going to call and tell them to put me back on insulin or we might change endos

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:55:01 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Mailbu, I test anywhere anytime

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:55:17 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
malibu, I am only uncomfortable when I know people are staring at me, but I do shots and tests everywhere now :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:55:27 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Does your mom chat here Jenna?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:55:30 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Jenna, TELL your endo/doctors how you are feeling, Nathan doesnt feel well if his sugars are high,, not good for school time,, RING your Endo up

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:55:38 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i dont really care to test in front of others but i would never do it at school they want to know everything

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:55:40 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
When I was pregnant though, and first diagnosed, I wouldn't do them in front of anyone

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:55:41 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
I can get away with testing in class and no-one noticing!

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:56:26 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
but now with 6-7 shots a day, and just as many if not more tests, I am more confortable with it

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:56:41 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
no i come here often my mom works 3rd shift i tell her everything i find out im gonna tell here about sarah

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:56:53 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
Malibu i just tested infront of the people in my early childhood class tonight, one lady who works in a daycare saw my meter and told me one of the little kids in the daycare has D :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:57:09 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
same here.. I do shots and tests in class and no one noticed.. once I went into the women's bathroom, not into a stall, just out in the main part and did a shot, and got a few weird looks, so now I just do them wherever I am when I want to eat

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:57:13 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i do that no one notices

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:57:45 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
oh Laura.. I finally got more ketostix today! :-) I haven't had any for a few months! lol

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:57:50 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Well, I pump now so it's much easier for me

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:58:29 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
last year in junior high i just went to the bathroom in front of everyone they asked alot of questions

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:58:45 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
oh how I want to pump.. I know it's more "work", but it just seems to superior

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:59:15 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Sarah,, what type of insulin are you using ?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:59:34 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
Sarah...are you going to college right now?

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:59:56 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Lantus and Humalog, as of tonight I am on 20u of Lantus and I take humalog 1:15 for carbs

Wed Oct 10 2001 22:59:59 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
yesterday i was on the bus and i have this bracelet it says my name and diabetic and this little girl said you are a diabeteic im like yea and she goes i am too

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:00:13 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
yes, I am a junior, I would be a senior now if I hadn't taken a year off :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:00:35 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
jenna that's cool.. I don't really know anyone with D

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:00:37 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
i take humalog and ultralente

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:01:07 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
I'll be going to college next year, and i'm slightly anxiouse about controlling my sugars

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:01:24 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
my aunt is diabetic she is not blood kin

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:01:25 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I do know of one person with D, it's the brother of an ex-friend, but my "friend" is into all kinds of drugs now, and I do my best to avoid him

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:01:37 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
what are you gonna do after college i want to be a teacher

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:02:06 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Sarah how much insulin would you have at lunch time ?

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:02:12 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Lots of testing Malibu, and lots of shots of H to correct!

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:02:16 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
but im only a freshmen in high school right now though

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:02:18 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
I know it should'nt be an issue, but i'll be in college next year, and i hate hanging out and not being able to eat pizza with my friends, or join them drinking etc

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:02:32 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
malibu, I was anxious at first too, especially about not really having time in my schedule for "lunch", since I have class from 9-2 tuesday and thursday, but I haven't had any problems yet

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:03:00 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
i guess it's just somethng i have to deal with

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:03:12 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
oh, and I eat pizza and drink.. you do need to talk about it with your CDE, and make sure you know what you can and can't get away with

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:03:21 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
You shouldn't drink Malibu, someone needs to ne the designated driver, but you can learn how much insulin to take for pizza!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:03:41 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
granted, I can't get completely hammered like I could a few years ago, but having a drink or two now and then is nice

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:04:19 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Alcohol will cause low sugars

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:04:20 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
I never drank yet or smoke :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:04:31 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
yeah....i'm from England, so we started drinking at a younge age, now I'm the sober one all the time which i hate! I have had the odd beer, but them i'm testing all the time and i feel bad

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:04:48 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well sarah if you want to email me sometime my address is jennarc23@hotmail.com

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:04:55 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Pizza is actually easy.. even with humalog.. I figure out what I need per slice, and how many I am going to have, and then I do half my dose when I start, and then the rest about an hour later.. works fine for me.. :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:05:41 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
Malibu, I'll be honest, I got all my drinking done before I had D.. I was a "wild child".. so now I don't feel like I'm missing anything

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:05:46 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
I Hate Pizza

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:06:11 Eastern US
Connie(BC) from 209.53.87.146
Well time for me to go, night all

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:06:24 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
well, i dont normally eat fast food, but i had pizza last week for the first time in ages and got myself up to 350...so i have that to figure out

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:06:29 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
Night Connie , Take Care

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:06:59 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
now when I do drink, I make sure chris knows where my glucagon is, and he knows if he ever finds me passed out, to give me that and call 911

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:07:09 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
you know what sarah...that is exactly what i said before- i'b been there done that, and now it's time to take more of a back seat

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:07:29 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
Hello every one!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:07:31 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
malibu, if you are on humalog just try what I do, do half the dose to start with and then the rest a little later

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:07:52 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
hi jessica

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:07:59 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
hi Jessica

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:08:10 Eastern US
Jenna (14) from 66.38.0.6
well Sarah if you ever want to email me my address is jennarc23@hotmail.com

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:08:13 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
yeah....i use humalog

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:08:24 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I had 3 slices of pizza tonight and I was at 123 the last time I checked.. not too bad :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:08:52 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
hello Sarah

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:08:54 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
the problem with pizza is, it's digested weird.. so you can be fine after two hours, but high at 3..

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:09:09 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Hi Jessica

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:09:20 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
spacing out the humalog helps to avoid that, sort of like the dual wave on a pump

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:09:49 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
yeah...thats what happned to me i think!

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:10:13 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
you know i hear a lot of people talk about the pump and i have no ideal what it is

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:11:02 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
jessica, check out www.minimed.com, and www.disetronic.com :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:11:10 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Jessica,, check out the web site for the Minimed,, I think it is www.mininmed.com

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:11:39 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Thanks Sarah,, you bet me :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:12:30 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
is nathan pumping?

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:13:22 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
i'm 20 and i've had diabetes since "98" when i was 17

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:14:00 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Sarah,, pumps are only new to Australia,, we arent (Nathan) isnt pumping yet,, maybe when we hear from any aussies on the pump it might be better for all

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:14:50 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
wow

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:15:29 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I am hoping that if my lasted bloodwork shows a real "progression", that I might have more luck getting my Dr to let me on a pump

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:15:53 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
my last c-peptide was "too high" to go on one

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:15:58 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
How many carbs does everyone have normally for meals? I'm just curiouse?

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:16:00 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
latest even

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:16:17 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
I don't think my doctors will even get close to letting me use the pump!!

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:16:45 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
depends.. tonight I think I over did it!... 90 ir so for dinner (pizza!) but normally 45-60 for dinner,

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:17:00 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
morning 2 lunch 2 dinner 2 snack1

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:17:13 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
just ask them, if you are motivated, and your insurance will cover it, then it shouldn't be a problem

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:17:18 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
I have 2 chat friends in Australia, their kids are using the pumps, both Minimed's

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:17:41 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
the rest of my meals are probably 30-45, and snacks 15-30

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:18:11 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
Yeah, i try to keep it at 50-60 carbs

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:18:15 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
my main problem right now is that I am/was in my honeymoon, so my dr didn't want me on one yet

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:18:26 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Nathan is normally on 4-5 exchanges per main meals and 3-4 for snacks, everyone is different

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:18:30 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
thats not much then sarah!

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:18:37 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I am worried about weight gain though, so I do watch what I eat a lot :-)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:18:58 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
wow thats a lot of carbs

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:19:11 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
my range fro 38- 53 carbs

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:19:24 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
i'm trying to lose weight :)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:19:35 Eastern US
Karen, Aussie (Mum of Nathan(D) & Natalie) from 203.34.200.249
Im not sure how US & Australian docs works it out

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:19:36 Eastern US
MaLiBu (18...type1) from 205.188.199.174
38-53...thats a bit precise is'nt it??

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:19:47 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I don't care so much about losing any more, my weight never bothered me, but I don't want to get myself set up to gain weight by being "lazy" about what I eat, especially now that I have the freedome to eat what I want to with humalog

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:20:05 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
wow i'm on 7 carbs a day !!

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:20:58 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
7?

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:21:18 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I don't use exchanges.. I just count carbs

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:21:46 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
well i am on the chunky side so i don't know

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:22:09 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
I only very rarely take more than 4 units of humalog at once.. only when I really have to have something like pizza.. maybe once a week I'm bad :_)

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:22:35 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
yes to carbs morning ,lunch, and dinner and then one at snack time

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:24:16 Eastern US
Laura (am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95 ) from 12.87.138.38
Sarah , Hows Seth Feeling?

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Wed Oct 10 2001 23:25:34 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
i take 37n & 40r in the morning and evening time i take 37n &48r

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:25:41 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
he's doing a bit better.. I just hope he isn't still as bad tomorrow :-(

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:26:18 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
what room is every one going to move to

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:26:32 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
parents? or do we want to go to teens?

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:26:56 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
jessica, do you see an endo?

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:27:46 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
yes but my doctors are not very good

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:28:02 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
how about teens ?

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:28:35 Eastern US
Jessica from 64.12.104.57
giong to move to teens

Wed Oct 10 2001 23:28:49 Eastern US
Sarah (21, type 1 for a year) from 24.28.67.24
sure, lets move over to teens



                 
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