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Type 2 Support from September 20, 2000

Betty Brackenridge and Kris Swenson hosted a Virtual Support Group chat about Type 2 diabetes.

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:44:52 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Our Type 2 Support chat will begin at 9:00 pm (21:00).

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:47:50 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Kris is here-Welcome to the first virtual support group for people with type 2 diabetes

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:48:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Betty is Here. Welcome to The Virtual Support Group. Just like Frazier.... we're listening!

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:49:35 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Welcome Betty and Kris. Glad you could make it .. and on two computers!

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:50:17 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
side by side no less...techno wizs at work

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:51:24 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
we definitely need to get cable connections instead of these modems -- too slow on the uptake!

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:51:37 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Well, I announced your presence in the Parents room.

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:52:01 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz (ssq@swq.com) from 165.121.211.39
I'm here to observe. Hi Betty and Kris

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:52:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Hi Stef - how's it going? Did you print out the overheads?

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:52:51 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Hi Steph. How's the boat? Have a good vacation?

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:53:00 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz (ssq@swq.com) from 165.121.211.39
Yes B thanks!

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:53:45 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Well, who knows, Jeff, maybe some of those moms and dads have type 2! Thanks for trying to drum up some business

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:53:48 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz (ssq@swq.com) from 165.121.211.39
Could not go sail -- too windy so we drove up to the UP instead. Check out www.kanddu.com

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:54:58 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz (ssq@swq.com) from 165.121.211.39
I have six minutes to go here

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:55:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
well, it's beautiful up there no matter what you do -- Macinac Island is one of my favorite vacation places

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:56:14 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Hello

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:56:23 Eastern US
Steph Schwartz (ssq@swq.com) from 165.121.211.39
Trees wre starting to turn. It's a beautiful wilderness.

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:56:26 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
hi everyone

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:56:51 Eastern US
Susie from 207.29.206.6
Good evening.

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:57:22 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Hi Pam, welcome. What does Justin take for his diabetes?

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:57:31 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Hi Marryann - welcome. Howm long has your husband had diabetes?

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:58:02 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Hi Susie -- thanks for joining in.

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:58:10 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris right now he is on glucotrol.. The doctor says he doesnt know if Justin is type 1 or type 2

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:58:37 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris he has been on diet and exercise for 20 months..

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:58:38 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
Thank you for giving us this opportunity. I have some questions about meds.

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:59:22 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
my husband has had it 5 yrs and cannot diet. mcDonalds calls to him every day on the road. he takes glucophage and advandia, and some nph

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:59:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Shoot with your questions, Susie.

Wed Sep 20 2000 20:59:46 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam-you could request a test called C-Peptide to measure how much insulin he makes. This would help clarify if he has type 1 or 2

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:00:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
He hears the same call of the wild that we ALL do, I guess. How's his control on his current meds?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:00:26 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris they have done one every 6 months since he was diagnosed in Jan of 99 and they say hes making insulin clearly..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:01:18 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam-is he a lean kid or is he a little heaver?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:01:20 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
I was dx'd 1/99 (had gestationalD 13 yrs ago), I was put on Glucophage which did nothing. My dr. then added Prandin (I now take 1 mg with meals) and I responded immediately. Is it possible that the Glucophage is unnecessary?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:01:42 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
oh, his a1c's range from 8 to 10 when he has them done. Doesn't see an endo, doesn't test very often cause it is always high, so what is the use

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:02:17 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris one doctor says hes type 2 and another says hes just in a long honeymoon and will turn out to be type 1 so How am I to know what he is.. I know either way its diabetes but its just not knowing if I am treating him the right way..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:02:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
No, Susie. The Glucophage and the Prandin each address a different problem with your type 2 diabetes. The Glucophage is a great drug for mopst people. What dose are you taking now?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:03:10 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
KRis He was heavy and weighed about 167 and now over the course of diet and exercise weighs 130 and holding his own weight.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:03:48 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam- Has his blood sugars improved with weight loss?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:04:11 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
500 mg of Glucophage. Am I correct that the Prandin helps to produce some insulin and the Glucophage helps my body utilize it?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:05:35 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris when he was first diagnosed he was at 333 and then a week later he was normal range and has his A1C reading to 5.0 to 6.6 until this August when he took pnumonia and his blood sugars went high again and then his A1C went to 9.8 but since have come down....

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:05:49 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
I worry that drugs do not work quick enough for post meal spikes.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:06:24 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam-does he continue on the Glucotrol?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:06:31 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Well that's pretty close. The Glucophage works to shut off sugar production in the body and the prandin kicks the pancreas to make a little more insulin when you eat. The reason the Glucophage has not been helpful yet is that you're not anywhere near the effective dose. 500 mg just isn't effective. Doesn't mean the drug wouldn't help a lot as your doc moves the dose up to a higher dose

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:06:38 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
whats the difference between glucotrol and glucophage?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:07:28 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam-the answer is the same as Betty wrote for Susie. prandin is like glucotrol.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:07:40 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris right now hes on the Glucotrol 5 in the morning and 5 in the evening and his blood sugars are in the morning 110 and evening 90-120

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:08:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Maryann, You're really smart to worry about the postmeal blood sugars. Control of them is very important to staying well with type 2 diabetes. Glucophage and Avandia are great drugs but do not spedfically work on the postmeal blood sugar -- for that you either need to manage carbs more closely (look out McDonalds!!) or take HUmalog with meals or Prandin.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:08:52 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Those are certainly within target range but have they ever tried giving him Glucophage or one of the insulin sensitizers such as Avandia or Actos?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:08:54 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
Betty, I don't think that I'm doing too badly at that dosage. My HgA1C runs about 6.1. Do you think that the Glucophage could be eliminated if it didn't seem to help alone?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:09:28 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris NO he just started on glucotrol 3 weeks ago..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:10:08 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Medicines for type 2 diabetes are quite a bit more complicated than for type 1 - several classes of drugs and every class does something a little different. That's why combinations are so often helpful to get the best control.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:11:29 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
Betty, I understand. It's just that I never tried the Prandin alone. My dr. says that is how it is prescibed.....

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:11:32 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
All I know is his endo says if this doesnt work hes gonna put him on insulin.. Which was what he was gonna do 20 months ago.. So if he had 20 months ago I wonder what kind of trouble I would have been in..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:11:45 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam- well, the final answer as to whether Justin has type 1 or type 2 diabetes will be decided only over time. He could have slowly developing type 1 diabetes or he could have type 2. Have the c-peptide tests changed over this time?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:12:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Susie, Even though your glycohemoglobin is great (congratulations!!), I still wouldn't eliminate the Glucophage because it helps several things that the Prandin doesn't - and it carries no risk of pushing your blood sugars too low.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:12:58 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris No its not changed.. And the answer you gave me is the same answer everyone else has said..But there should be something to determine between the two..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:13:56 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Susie, Glucophage also helps lipids (blood fats) which are a problem for most people with type 2 diabetes and it specfically helps control the fasting blood sugar which often gets to be the hardest blood sugar for people with type 2 diabetes to control.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:15:23 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam-Has Justin had an insulin antibody test done recently?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:16:01 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris yes he has that done every 6 months also.. And the doctor says it could go either way..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:16:32 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
I check my bg before working out and usually have some juice. I always experience a significant dip after the workout. I usually then have my normal dinner. However, sometimes when I work out the evening before, my #s are higher in the morning. Any ideas?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:16:54 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam-I can only imagine how hard it is to sit and wait but it looks like your doc is on top of the situation.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:17:59 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris Yes this is what is so frustrating.. I know he has the disease but I just want to know I am doing the right thing and that the doctor is to..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:18:08 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
it sort of bugs me that we don't know how much insulin my husband produces. it is so hard to tell the progression of the disease, or if it is lack of obeying the restrictions

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:18:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Susie, it sounds like you're still producing quite huigh levels of your own insulin -- exercise reduces your insulin resistance and the high body insulin levels send you low.. one thing the Glucophage and another class of drugs (either Avandia or Actos) could do would be to help lower your levels of body insulin. That would be an advantge over all.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:19:30 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
I dont know about the doctor I think hes over loaded and when he sees every child hes convinced their all type 1 and they just may be but I asked him what if he had put justin on insulin 20 months ago What would have happend and he couldnt answer.. But said he was glad he was doing well.. Well that was reassuring..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:19:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Susie, then you go to bed and when you're not exercising, your liver throws out extra sugar, making your BG huigher in the morning. That's something the Glucophage is designed to help.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:20:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Maryann, how long ago was your husband's diabetes diagnosed?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:20:56 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam-I think that you are doing the right thing. If and when the blood sugar goes up again or his insulin levels decline the need to begin insulin may again be brought up by your doc. Keep in mind that insulin is not the enemy but high blood sugar is. Insulin injections are to mimic or replace missing insulin, not to cause problems. Today's insulins are much improved and the devices to deliver the doses so much easier to use than the past.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:21:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Maryann, it seems like you understand that he's expected to keep losing insulin production over time.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:22:30 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
he has had it a little over 5 yrs

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:23:18 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
I would like him to take humalog with meals, but he won't learn to carb count, and H. seems to burn for him also.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:24:35 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
Perhaps it is just my own insecurities, but I often feel that those of us with type 2 D are often regarded as people who just haven't taken care of ourselves.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:25:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Never heard of H burning before.. that's no fun! Do you know if he gives the shot very rapidly? where? what kind of needle? stuff oike that?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:25:31 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
right, and everyone things popping a pill is so easy, and it isn't because it doesn't work all that great without a lot of other work

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:25:38 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris I appreciate your help and I know if he needs insulin we will definately do that but I have to know they are doing the right thing for Justin.. I guess I am just uncertain of the confidence of the doctor since he cant give me any information.. We drive 2 hours to see him and there are none other around unless 6 hours. I am not saying his doctor isnt knowledgeable but When we go t see him we get to see the doctors that are in training and then they go and relay it to him and then he comes in and spends about 5 minutes of his time and I am just not so sure about this way of doing things.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:25:42 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Susie-this is a common theme among our patients. They are often meant to feel guilty and shamed when the disese is causing weight gain and all sorts of other problems before it is even diagnosed!!

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:26:29 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
some people seem to say that about H, and I am used to just popping it into Jill, with him he whines that shots hurt and have to be S_L_O_W

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:26:35 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Susie and all-Ty[e 2 diabetes is not a character flaw!!!! It is a genetic disese and our environment fuels it.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:27:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Pam - it seems that the team you're seeing is being very diligent, watching for evidence. I don't know that anyone could do more at this point -- and I know that many would do much less.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:27:43 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
I also have asthma and some of my sprays and inhalers are steriod type of meds. My asthma dr. has been playing around with them and dosages. I was on prednizone right before I was dx'd.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:27:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Pam - having answers would be a lot more comfortable, I know, but it's not possible to have them right now by the sound of what you've told us. :-(

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:28:51 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
Both of my parents are Type2Ds. However, they were in their "golden years" when dx'd.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:29:00 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Betty they are not going to do any less for if 5 minutes of their time is any less then I might as well not waste my time..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:29:05 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
ya, Pam, we feel your frustration, but with any diabetes it seems to change from day to day week to week and you have to except it and do whatever it takes at the time

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:30:07 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Susie- It is common to see Prednisone kick up the blood sugar levels. Any type of stress or illness can do this as well.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:30:16 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Maryann, If he doesn't want to tkae insulin that could actually be changing his perception of what's going on. Has the doctor tried Prandin? It would help with postmeal blood sugars much like Humalog and has a good chance of being sucessful after only five years with type 2 - your husband is probably till making quite a bit of his own insulin for the Prandin to work with.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:31:32 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Maryann I know that

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:31:43 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
Pam, how has your son adjusted?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:31:43 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Pam - only five monutes. That must feel rotten after making that long drive! What other options do you have -- seems like you said that other docs are even farther away.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:31:50 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
It is common to hear that older people got diabetes and it is now happening at younger and younger ages. This is what I meant by the environmental fuel..... we are not as active as our elders were, we eat slightly more calories and this contributes to earlier insulin resistance. the genes were already there and the environment fueled it.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:31:55 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
and do you mean adding that along with glucophage AND advandia that he already takes, is it similar to glybride? he takes some of that at night too

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:31:57 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
For we do it daily But I will continue on the same road I am on

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:33:17 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Betty Yes we timed the doctor and we had 5 minutes of his time and I went out in the hall and told them if I was gonna pay 150.00 a visit I wanted more than 5 minutes of his time.. I had questions and I would appreciate someone trying to help me..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:34:06 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Maryann, they pulled out all the stops!!! Four meds - that's a bunch. Actually, Prandin would most likely be used instead of glyburide, not in addition. It targets a specific time when he REALLY needs more insulin, instead of making insulin levels higher all the time, like gllyburide does.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:34:21 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Pam=what was their response to your asking for more time?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:34:34 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Susie, He has his days hes fed up with it and other days hes fine.. BUt our whole family just keep encouraging him.. I have a very close family that help all they can..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:35:35 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris That day he came back and I got about 10 more minutes. So maybe I should be more demanding but I dont want to me ugly about it but when it comes to my childs life then I will do what it takes to help him like any mother would do.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:35:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Pam, it counds like you all are working together on this and I know your sons must recognize how you'r all working on this

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:37:05 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
i am getting sick of seeing him take volumes of pills though, and don't know where to draw the line. He was up to 3000 mg of glucophage last yr and then his body shut down and he had congestive heart failure

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:37:07 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
Pam, I was dx'd at 45 yrs old and became very depressed. Although I pretty much do as I am supposed to and eat basically the same each day, sometimes my sugar drops and I feel ill or it goes out of control for no apparent reason. I know that he must be very frustrated.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:37:44 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Atta girl, Pam!!! Who'se going to take care of you and yours better than you? This is also true of older people with diabetes. The outcome is much more important to those living with the disease than it is to even the most caring health care provider. So keep up the good work - sometimes it helps to get mad.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:38:07 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
since the heart failure I refuse to let him take so much of that drug, but they added advandia, then I added back some of the glybride too

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:38:24 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Betty he does and I am thankful he takes it pretty well most of the time.. BUt when it goes up he will ask me what are they going to do now since hes heard the doctor say he doesnt know if he will be type 1 or 2 and I just tell him not to worry he will be fine and if we have to cross that bridge we will all do it together..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:38:45 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
Maryann, it must be difficult to see someone not taking care of themselves and actually causing illness.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:39:31 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Betty His endo called the other day and wanted to up his glucotrol more and I told them I didnt think so with the numbers he was reading that I thought it would make him go to low..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:40:01 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
You're answering him honestly and you guys are talking about it together. That seems like a right step in your current uncertain situation. Does Justin know any other kids with diabetes?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:40:29 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.53
Hello:-)

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:40:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Pam - you are our kind of mom and medical consumer -- what did he say?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:40:45 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Betty No there is not a support group in our area so this is our best place to be right now.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:41:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Hello Bug - :-o

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:41:12 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
pam, does he dread or worry about going back on shots?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:41:12 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Suzie-it was interesting that you mentioned your episode of depression at the time of your diagnosis. Maryann's husband may be experiencing depression as well. A feeling that no matter what he does it won't make a difference. Diabetes research shows a common combination of depression and diabetes. They do not know why but feel it may be related to the changes caused in the chemicals of the brain by high blood sugars.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:41:27 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Betty He called back and said he agreed that would be fine and call in 2 weeks.. Maybe I oughta be the doctor and charge him 150.00 LOL

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:42:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Has he gone on the Kid's Voices section to see what some other kids are saying about their diabetes - type 1 and type 2.. If you'd do that with him, he might find a kid he's like to correspond with.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:42:03 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Maryann I think thats Justins fear is shots for if I mention it he tells me not to talk about it..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:42:31 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Pam -- I KNEW I liked you! LOLOL

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:42:39 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.52
Guess what I had a 45 the other nite and I was tooo weak to go get anyone so i treated myself

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:43:04 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Betty Thanks we all have to stick together in this.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:43:23 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 207.29.206.6
I still get depressed. I am prone to sinus infections and that puts me on a D rollercoaster. I am then often actually afraid to eat.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:43:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
So that's weighing on his mind -- has he actually ever seen the sort of tiny needles/pens etc that are used now -- they'r probably MUCH tinier than that that big ol' syruinge in his poor little worried mind.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:43:58 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
got to treat yourself bug . . thats important congradulations :-)

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:44:29 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
hi Susie (hope you type 2s don't mind a one invading)

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:44:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Couldn't have said it better myself, Daniel, Thanks!

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:45:09 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Betty No hes not seen the needles .I just know when we take him to the Lab and they take 5 tubes of blood he gets sweaty and sick on me.. And I have to go grab some water and a wet rag..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:45:09 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Depression is a commonly mentioned problem with our patients. Any one else experience this?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:45:21 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
pam, how many shots has he taken in the past? seems like the finger pricks are worse. But I love the freestyle meter!!

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:45:55 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.53
how long have you people had diabetes?? thanks:-
) I have had diabetes for 1 year 4 days

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:46:00 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
Yes Kris . . isn't that just part of the program?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:46:09 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
The FreeStyle meter ROCKS!!!!!

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:46:22 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Maryann None except the lab work and he loves the freestyle meter and wouldnt have any thing else..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:46:24 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
21 long years

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:47:04 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
Kris why does the freeStyle meter rock? I like my Dex

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:47:06 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.52
dan are you centruary?? if so hey it is me amanda

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:47:13 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Wow - he must be really worried. I wish I could show him a short, 31 guage pen needle --your pharmacist should be able to show -- most people can't even feel them -- and right now he;s thinking that a shot will mean something like drawing that blood sample everyday. For everybody's peace of mind, a little reality therapy would probably be the kindest thing.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:47:26 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Daniel-sounds like things haven't been easy for you, huh?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:47:34 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Daniel NO Finger sticks..Its great

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:47:56 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.52
dex is a good meter and so is accue and same for fast take I have on fast take 2 accue and 1 dex

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:48:15 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
The FreeStyle meter tests the tiniest drop of blood possible, using the arm, not the finger tip. Our patients love it and it's accurate and takes 15 seconds.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:48:22 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
I was dx'd 1/99

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:49:00 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Kris Justin loves the freestyle..thats the way to go..

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:49:34 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.53
Kris I heard about that does it really work?? susie I was dxd 9/17/99

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:49:42 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Bug - you know how to work the system. Tried them all, it looks like.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:50:18 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
Co-hosts: Where is it that you work?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:50:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Bug, I use the Freestyle myself and it does work like the proverbial charm

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:51:05 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
I just took a group of testimonials and a video of our patients to the Therasense corporate meeting on Monday. They were thrilled and so are our patients. The accuracy and pain-free approach is a blessing.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:51:07 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.52
well sort of i get them try them and keep the ones i like

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:51:10 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Our Center is in Tempe, AZ, in the Phoenix Metro area. Where are you, Susie?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:51:29 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
No Kris . .I don't think things are easy for any diabetic. Some have a better support group and more resourses but depression is something I think all diabetics can relate to.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:52:07 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
Jill's endo said they have NOT been approached by the vendors about freestyle so they have no data to recommend it yet

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:52:20 Eastern US
pam (mom of Justin 13 dx jan 99) from 63.95.121.89
Well gotta go its Justins bedtime and mine..I have really appreciated your help and input and Hope you all have a restful night and great day tomorrow,..My prayers for everyone and that a cure is in site.....Look forward to talking with you gain...Good night...

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:52:30 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.52
the reason why is because i go all over the place and i have one for where ever i am going to be that day

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:52:53 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Well, Daniel, glad you're hee. Giving support to others generally helps the giver as well as the receiver.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:52:58 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.53
nite pam

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:53:00 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
MaryAnn-I would not let that stop you!!!

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:53:13 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
I'm from Philadelphia, Pa. Believe it or not only one hospital has a support group and I found it didn't meet my needs.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:53:32 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
Good night Pam

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:53:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Thanks, Pam -- keep us posted on how things are going with Justin - hope to see you back next month

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:53:35 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Good night Pam-thanks for the chat!!

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:53:51 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
very true Betty :-)

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:54:09 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.52
brb

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:54:30 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
Kris, right, my husband uses the freestyle now when he tests and it is right on with Jill's advantage. she doesn't care yet though

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:54:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Well, then, we're glad we can do this -- a lot of people are in your boat with no support group near -- or at a convenient time, or just not "simpatico"

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:54:44 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Susie- Philly is a wonderful city!! And BIG!! Could you start a support group yourself? At your doctor's office or church or somewhere? You know there are many others just like you who could benefit from sitting and discussing the issues.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:55:47 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
this site has been a great help to many people

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:56:34 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
I have consider it. However, at the present time I don't have the time to start one. Perhaps in the future. I have 22 years of social work under my belt which may be helpful.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:56:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Yep, Kids with Diabetes has been -- and now do you know that Diabetes123 is being built to do the same for adults?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:57:32 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.53
Hey I got to go to bed thanx for this nice chat hope to have one with you all some time soon:-):-):-):-) nite nite every body

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:57:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Ye Gods, Susie, -you'd be great but probably NOT the way you wnat to spend your spare time! LOL

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:58:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Night Bug ;-)

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:58:12 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Hope you sleep snug as a "bug". Night night

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:58:14 Eastern US
The one and only diabetic bug from 64.14.123.52
*~*~*~*G:-(NE*~*~*~*

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:58:37 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
Susie, my boss quit :-( things are bad here more empty offices than full ones

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:58:38 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
Unfortunately, not many type 2's utilize the chat rooms. I have learned a lot from "listening in" on other chats.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:58:39 Eastern US
maryann(michigan) (husband type 2) from 63.23.175.106
I have to go too. bye for now

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:59:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Kris and I are working with Diabetes123 now to bring up more and more services geared to adults -- hence this type 2 chat for adults.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:59:11 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Good night Mary Ann. Hope to chat again with you soon.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:59:19 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
Good night Bug.

Daniel, is there much more pressure on you now?

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:59:47 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
Good night Maryann. Good luck.

Wed Sep 20 2000 21:59:55 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Susie, I think we'll start seeing more and more people with type two on the site now that we're offering more for their use.

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:00:40 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
I'll find out in the next couple of weeks. people are having there caseloads double . . they just dropped 33 cases on the person a couple of offices from me. No way to supervise that many cases . . she is a type 2 diabetic.

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:00:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Daniel, HOw about signing on for the Type 1 adylt chat support group we'll be hosting for the first time on October 4?

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:01:13 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
(she has 77 cases now)

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:01:24 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
My typing probably won't be any better by then -- but oh well!

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:01:33 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
enought o make your bg's rise :-o

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:01:53 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
I'm interested in resources for research specifically for type2s. D runs rampant in my family.

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:02:21 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
I'll look forward to it Betty :-) (is that a polite way of kicking me out? :-))

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:02:36 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Well, we've come to the end of our time. It's been a great start folks, thanks so much for coming. We hope to see you next month -- and bring your friends!!

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:02:39 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Good night to you all and we hope to see you again soon in our chats. This was my first experience and, except for my poor typing, really enjoyed talking to you all. Thanks so much for giving me the chance to learn from you.

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:02:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Nope Daniel -- just an invitation --LOLOL

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:03:08 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
Thank you for taking the time!!!!(-:

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:03:30 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
whew

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:03:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Susie, we'll be ready to talk about research and type 2 next month since that interests you == hope to see you then.

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:03:47 Eastern US
Susie (Type 2) from 167.89.255.63
:-)

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:04:14 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
Thank you both . . I wish I had spent more time here.

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:04:17 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Night to all from Betty and Kris!!

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:04:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Then, Daniel, we'll see you on the 4th! eh?

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:04:51 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Betty and Kris ... time to call it a night?

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:05:13 Eastern US
KrisS (Support Group Co-host) from 205.188.198.49
Thanks Jeff-we're good to go

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:05:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Group Co-Host) from 205.188.195.41
Night, Jeff -- time for dinenr out here!

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:05:39 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Thanks Betty and Kris for hosting our Type 2 chat. I'll post a transcript in the morning.

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:05:52 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Goodnight everyone! :-)

Wed Sep 20 2000 22:06:45 Eastern US
Daniel/FL (Pump User) from 24.164.36.103
yes Betty :-)



                 
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