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Type 2 Support from January 24, 2001

Betty Brackenridge and Kris Swenson hosted a Virtual Support Group chat about Type 2 diabetes.

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com Wed Jan 24 2001 20:15:00 Eastern US
The 'Virtual Support' chat room is now open.


Wed Jan 24 2001 20:23:23 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
Anyone in here?

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:38:25 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
hello anyone around

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:41:19 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
I'm here, you here?

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:47:50 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
hello cutie how are you?

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:49:10 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
I'm fine, how are you?

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:49:49 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
Okay here are they suppose to have the chat for type 2 tonight?

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com Wed Jan 24 2001 20:50:00 Eastern US
Type 2 Virtual Support chat starts in 10 min in 'Virtual Support' room


Wed Jan 24 2001 20:50:36 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
well guess that answered my question..lol

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:51:50 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
So, how are you and your son?

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:52:27 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
we are okay thanks for asking..

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:53:24 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
cutie are you in college and if so how long have you been there for endocrinologist

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:53:53 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
I'm not in college yet but I will be in about two years...

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:55:28 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
Okay I am sure you will make a good doctor and we sure could use plenty of endocrinologist.. you can come to our area if you like . there is none around here..... how long to you have to go to college for this?

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:56:03 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
ten years or so.

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:56:30 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
That's a good idea!

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:56:38 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
wow thats a long time.... makes you feel old after that length of time......

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:57:26 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
I know!

Wed Jan 24 2001 20:59:46 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
Looks like we are the only ones in the chat room. Maybe some more will come along when its time.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:00:03 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Hi, this is my very first time to chat anywhere. I've been looking forward to this for 3 weeks !

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:00:40 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
Hi Kathryn how are things going with you?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:00:49 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Good evening. How is everyone?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:00:57 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Welcome everyone to the type 2 chat. Betty and I are listening.....

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:01:01 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
Hello Kathryn...Welcom aboard!!!!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:01:03 Eastern US
Molleee from 152.163.161.76
Hi, I'm here

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:01:06 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
HI Susie :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:01:17 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
Hello Kristy and Susie!!!!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:01:27 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
Hi to Molleee

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:01:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Hi, Pam, Cutie2001, and Kathryn - welcome to the Type 2 support chat -

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:01:53 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Hi to all, Molleee included

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:01:53 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
HI Betty :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:02:05 Eastern US
Molleee from 152.163.161.76
Hi Kris and Betty!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:02:09 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
I think that we are missing our hosts.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:02:30 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
And Susie -- Kathryn - welcome, especially from so far and with a houseful of type 2!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:02:48 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Anything you'd like to ask us?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:03:04 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Hi to all, especially Betty, who encouraged me to join in via email. Lucky for me it is 3pm here and my day off from night-nursing.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:03:10 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
first time in chat room - hope i know what to do

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:03:19 Eastern US
JustMeMD (type 2 IDDM 13 years) from 152.163.213.213
Hello all

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:03:21 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Hi Betty. I seem to have missed you. It's good that others are here tonight. :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:03:26 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
I want to ask if you can use glucovance on a teenager Justin is right now using glucotrol?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:03:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
What's going on out there in Type 2 diabetes land tonight? (or is it morning in New Zealand?)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:04:19 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
I'm curious how many people see an endo or just use their gps?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:05:26 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Pam, Glucovance is a combination of Glipizide ( a sulfonylurea like Glucotrol) with a small serving of Glucophage (metformin). It can be used all all ages and will help decrease the extra sugar put out by the liver, especially seen in the fasting blood sugar.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:05:39 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
I see an endo every three months. I have a question. If you are an endo and you have diabetes, should you go see another endo or can you do the "check-ups" on yourself?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:05:43 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Hi, Susie - havent' seen you for a while -- how's it going? and welcome to Just Me too -- oh, KAthryn - you're THAT Kathryn!! I'm so glad you're here!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:06:31 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
I see my GP every 3 weeks, with FBG and Hb1Ac prior and see my diabetologist every 6 months- there are not many except in the main centres. I'm lucky to have a very vibrant female diabetologist in her 40s.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:06:33 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
Kris thanks for the glucotrol is working but not as well as I would like so I am going to see if the doctor will try the glucovance then..

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:06:37 Eastern US
JustMeMD (type 2 IDDM 13 years) from 152.163.213.213
I just use my GP... A1c's are 5.2 so don't feel the need for an endo

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:06:52 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
make that GP 3 monthly

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:06:54 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
I have never been to an endo. My gp is insistant that he can help me manage, but I would like to see tighter control.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:07:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Cutie, somebody wise said "A physician who treats himself has a fool for a patient." It's hard not to see what you WANT to see instead of what's actually there unless you have a certain amount of objectivity.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:07:18 Eastern US
Kevin ((NE)19pump) from 160.102.29.2
I only see my gp

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:07:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Look, I'm a diabetes educator with diabetes and I have my own diabetes educator -- KRIS!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:07:47 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Pam, I would suggest you discuss the use of Glucophage in larger doses to get the best benefit out of it. Adding it to Glucotrol is always an option.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:09:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie, for the most part, tighter control is in your hands rather than the doc's anyway -- a good educator working with a prim ary care doc may get you where you want to go --do you have a good reolationship with him?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:09:03 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
IDDM is that insulin dependent? and your A1c is 5.2?? I would love to hear how that is managed

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:09:13 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
Justin sees a new endo Tuesday and I will ask and see if he will try that.. for his numbers are higher than I like them to be but hes not been exercising as much since its been snowy here..

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:09:22 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Pam, Glucovance is no new miracle... it is a company attempt at keeping the patent in a different form since Glucophage will not go generic.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:09:54 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
An enviable A1c, JustMe -- any problems with lows?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:10:27 Eastern US
cutie2001 (future endocrinologist) from 209.86.46.5
I got to get off here and go to bed! I'll talk to you all later!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:10:33 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Welcome Jani. IDDM is the way we used to describe type 1 diabetes (Insulin Dependant Diabetes Mellitus) We now know that many people with type 2 diabetes need insulin as a suppliment so that term is no longer used.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:11:09 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
what is the difference between glucotrol and glucohage

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:11:13 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Night NIght Cutie 2001

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:11:46 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
I do not have an on going relationship with a diabetic educator. Had gone thru a program and met with a CDE and dietician for a while. I have a good relationship with dr. Have been using the glycemic index religiously, thanks to learning about it from you. #s have leveled out, but I am still getting some highs in a.m. May be due to Azmacort that I use before bed?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:12:02 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Pam-Glucotrol is a sulfonylurea which causes the pancreas to make more insulin. Glucophage (metformin) works on the liver to supress extra sugar formation and to help with insulin sensitivity at the muscle.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:12:02 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Hello, I just thought I'd drop in to say hi to everyone.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:12:04 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Can I reccommend a book to you all ? I read a chapter in Diabetes Interview, which my local diabetes society had in its library. The book is "Taking Control of Your Diabetes" by Steven V Edelman, himself a T1 and endocrinologist. It's helped provide extra information and motivation. Right up to date with all the medications too. My other strategy is to tape my consultations with both GP and endo. Ditto my husband. Helps to get maximum benefit from the consultation as you get so much more on the second and not so rushed listening. Neither of the docs mind.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:12:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Hi, Bug - good to see you - HOw's it going?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:13:25 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
nite Cutie

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:13:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie, sorry bt I forget what meds you're on -- with a high fasting, it's possible that a different med be called for.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:14:17 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Kathryn-what a great idea to tape the meetings with your docs. We often have people tape the classes we teach so that they don't have to work so hard at remembering that they don't hear all that is discussed.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:14:21 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Hi, Betty - it's good to see you too. It's going fine, thanks. And yourself? I'm still new at this Diabetes thing, although its been a little more than a year now.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:15:20 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug, any questions you'd like to discuss?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:15:27 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Dr. Edelman's "TAking Control" seminars are very good but I'm sorry to say I haven't actually seen the book. He is great - full of up to the minute info with an especially positive and powerful message for self-care

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:15:47 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
prandin with meals and glucophage with breakfast and dinner. I was using Flovent for asthma and my a.m. #s were even higher. Asthma dr. has had me switch to Azmacort, 3 puffs before bed and in a.m. #s is normal range rest of day.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:16:08 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Susie, I'm a keen fan of the glycaemic index also. Have used it to loose 15 kgs in 4 months and to remain stable weight for 4 months. Also walked with my dog 3-5 kilometers per day about 5 days a week. My HBa1c is 5.5 and that makes the docs surprised.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:16:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie, what's the dose of your evening Glucphage? maybe you have some room to up the dose for better fasting control.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:16:59 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
am #s now 120 to 150 usually. Occasionally higher.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:17:28 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
I take 500 mg of glucophage.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:18:00 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
I'll be honest, I haven't exactly gotten used to it yet. Taking injections, was not something I thought I'd have to do for the rest of my life. But now that I have no choice. I just find it difficult to keep it under control with school, a part time job and everything else going on.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:18:14 Eastern US
Pam (mom of Justin 14) from 63.95.121.62
how much can you usually go on glucorol. Jusin is on 10 in the morning and evening

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:18:47 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie, you have quite a bit of room to go up on the dose. Usual therapeutic dose is 1500-200 mg/day. You might ask your doc about it on next visit. You might also ask about taking the additional amount at bedtime - again, may be of more help with controlling the fasting.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:18:54 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Kathryn, I have lost 6 pounds since following the glycemic index and I'm not have the highs and lows throughout the day. And I'm eating more food that I enjoy!!!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:19:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
sorry - 1500-2000 mg/day

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:19:10 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug, have you considered an insulin pump? It could make things so much easier for you flexibility wise. Have you talked to anyone who wears a pump?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:19:25 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
Is glycemic index and exercise the real key?
What kind of BG readings do you need to have A1c at 5.5?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:19:32 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Betty, I have heard about a new long lasting Glucophage?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:20:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie and KAthryn - what are the foods that have given you the best results as far a low GI - you have favorites?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:20:24 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Pam, it is usually said that taking 1/2 the maximum dose will yield about 90% of the effectiveness when working with sulfonylureas. Max dose of Glucotrol is 40mg/day so your son is at 1/2 the dose

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:20:28 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Lately, I've been thinking about getting the pump. But, I don't know if that would be a good choice. I don't know anyone here in Canada who has Diabetes. I'm trying to start a Diabetes Club in my school to raise awareness about the disease.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:21:12 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Susie, the new long lasting Glucophage is another way to keep the patent going for Glucophage. It is only available in 500 mg tabs so a person must take more than 1 to get the best outcome usually.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:21:33 Eastern US
Diabetic G (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Hello Room

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:21:40 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Jani, an A1c of 5.5 is in the normal range so the corresponding blood sugars would be too -- fastings probably 100 or less and probably not going over 140 after meals most of the time. Low GI foods and exercise can be a very potent treatment combination for early Type 2 diabetes.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:21:54 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug, we have many diabetes educator friends in Canada. Several come with the docs to our center for training each month. Maybe we could help hook you up with one if you would like.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:22:09 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Betty, switching to whole grain breads has made a big difference. I really enjoy pumpernickle. I have even been able to have the occasional m & m's, snicker, and light ice milk with out feeling that I'm "bad".

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:22:18 Eastern US
Diabetic G (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Bug that sounds like a good idea

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:22:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Hi Diabetic G - welcome to the Type 2 chat

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:23:08 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Hi

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:23:31 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Finally I came to were there was something that I could be at and chat

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:23:39 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Kris: That sounds like a good idea. I was hoping that I'd get to know some other diabetes my age at school, but it seems like I'm the only one.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:24:20 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
one of my favorite breakfasts in the light yogurt with cereal (instead of milk) with some fruit. It works real well at my desk, where I eat breakfast at 7 a.m.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:24:36 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Hey Bug

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:24:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie, it would make me a happy woman if you NEVER felt "bad" about what you choose to eat. There really aren't any good or bad foods -- the healthiest foods in the world can lead to a high BG if you don't have the insulin to handle them -- and something as frivolous a Snickers Bar can have very little effect on blood sugar. it's all about the outcome - not a mmoral decision.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:24:51 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug, you can e-mail me at kris@diabetestraining.com and I will see if I can't hook you up. be sure you say where you live and what school you go to, OK?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:25:04 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Diabetics even, I can't even spell. lol :)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:25:50 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
where's the spell check when you need it, huh?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:25:53 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Hi Diabetic Girl, I was diagnosed in 99 as well.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:25:53 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Well...... uhhhh

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:26:18 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Kris: I'll do that soon, thanks again. I appreciate it.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:26:19 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Oh.. I guess that is cool I have had diabetes for a year and 4 moths

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:26:30 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Betty, it would make me a happy woman also!!!! I am just learning to understand this. The dietician I saw would not hear of this and never mentioned the glycemic index.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:26:52 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie, so do you think that for you the yogurt is lower GI than regular milk?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:26:55 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug, it is my pleasure.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:27:16 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Well, i live a bit of an upsidedown life with wroking three night shifts per week, but here's what I generally eat- and yes, I guess life is a little easier in the very early phase of T2.
a wholegrain toast slice bread called 9 multi-grain; lots of doongara rice, which is low GI Australian rice which is ok for savoury and sweet cooking and gives a result very similar to regular rice; lots of pasta both dry and fres; low fat yoghurt sweetened with equal, porridge madewith 0.1% milk ; Kelloggs Sustain, unsweetened untoasted muesli as a dry snack; thick raisin wholemeal toast hot with mashed banana on it; casserole with chickpeas; heaps of stir fries with the meat as a grnish; chicken in heaps of ways, baked beans with frankfurter, celery and tomatoes in a bowl ; stuffheaps more

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:27:47 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
I'm not sure how long I've had Diabetes, but I was diagnosed in November of 99. That was a tough year.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:28:08 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
How low a GI number should you try to make your diet up from?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:28:20 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
I was dxd september

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:29:07 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
yes, I still eat regular choclate. I like choc coated almonds a foot in both camps. Almonds are great nuts for the heart, chocolate for the unrepentant addict in me

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:29:33 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Betty, I have found that mixing the cereal with yogurt is a lot neater at my desk, and sweeter! I have my secretary eating it now. Kind of funny, the r.d. that I saw told me to avoid baked bean. it is rather low on the gi. I was frightend when I first ate them and was happily surprised to learn that it didn't shoot my bg up.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:30:41 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
So bug... How is your diet?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:31:14 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Kathryn, I love almonds also and have trouble limiting myself to just a few. They are so high in fat. I guess that's why I like them...

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:31:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Jani, the specific GI number is not as important as the result you get -- and the numbers differ anyway, depending on whether the food is being compared to pure glucose or two white bread -- a good way to start is to get some good GI lists and then start substituting lower GI foods for higher GI choices - for example, barley for white rice as a side dish, and then check blood sugar to judge the effect.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:31:26 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Terrible, I eat way too much junk food. lol :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:31:29 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug and diabetic girl: Do you use insulin to cover your food choices? Humalog?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:31:43 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
I guess I have a sweet tooth.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:31:46 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
The mention of early T2 has me wondering - isn't it possible to keep your weight down, eat right and exercise to stay in good control without drugs for a VERY long time?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:31:58 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Same here

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:32:38 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Kris: I take 2 shots everyday, but sometimes I'm careless and I don't take 'em. School is way too tough as it is already.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:33:24 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie! Have I taught you nothing??!! LOL blood sugars trump the RD's opinion at all times (and I'm an RD! LOL)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:33:43 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
For one thing I think that getting diabetes is a lesson for me to acually learn something... I lose the weight.... Today I went on a hour and 30mins bike ride just having fun!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:33:54 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Jani, type 2 diabetes is a journey, not a destination. It changes over time, as the pancreas' ability to make insulin slowly poops out. That is predestined. Keeping your weight down and exercising will benefit you in many ways but is no guaranatee that you will not need medicines to help manage the blood sugars.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:33:56 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Jennie Brand Miller has just put out another couple of books that go into glycaemic index eating in greater depth :
GI Plus the Glucose Revolution pub Hodder 2000 (Australia) ISBN 0-7336-1064-1 - if not yet available in US try dymocks.com an Australian bookseller/mail-order. I guess you have the little "pocket guides to GI factor for people with diabetes" over there ??

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:34:56 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Jani, I am finding that if I eat low g.i. for most of my food for the day, one slight transgression (sorry Betty, it will take me a while to get rid of the guilt)doesn't seem to make a big impact on my bg.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:35:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Bug, EVERYBODY pretty much has a sweet tooth - and there is no reason to try to completely avoid sweets with diabetes anyway - many sugars have an even lower effect on blood sugar than other carbohydrate foods -- find out the facts and then look at the results -- your blood sugars will tell you what's working.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:35:47 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
what does gi stand for?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:35:48 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
I agree !!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:36:22 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Kris: I am a type 2 @ 14

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:36:38 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Well, my mom pretty much tries to keep me away from all the sweet stuff. She can always try. LOL :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:37:03 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Diabetic Girl: GI stands for Glycemic Index GI is a description of how much impact the food will have on the blood sugar. It's been around and around for years and is now back again

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:37:11 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
L:-)L Bug!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:37:24 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
ohh

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:38:07 Eastern US
Jen{PA/USA} (pumping10/00) from 12.23.197.113
hello everyone :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:38:34 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
I'm reading my way thru the library/magazines/ net and it seems that GI is not very well accepted in main stream US thinking ie: ADA

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:38:34 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Like, a week ago. I was having some ice-cream and her jaw almost dropped to the floor. lol :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:38:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Kathryn, I haven't seen a "pocket GI guide" over here -- but people can print out an very comprehensive list from Rick Mendosa's website. I feel I have to point out that while the Glycemic Index works very well for some ppeople - especially those who are not on meds yet and relying on their own sluggish insulin supply - not everyone gets so much benefit and not everyone enjoys the foods involved. Everyone needs to find an approach that gives them enjoyment AND results in order to make it a permanent thing - not just a temporary diet.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:39:04 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Hello Jen

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:39:33 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
6 years ago when my son was dx w/ T1 - they told
all carbs are alike and no GI used anylonger - Now I know that is not really correct and he is having a harder time at 17 complying.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:39:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Kathryn, the research results are actually not very compelling for large groups of people - but as you know from personal experience, when it works, by George it really works!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:39:49 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
lol bug

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:40:38 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
I make sure that I have atleast 3 carbs at every meal and if I dont want that many I just make sure that what I have is able to cover my glucophage

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:40:43 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug, are you using Humalog to cover the carbs you choose to eat? If not, you might want to consider it as it offers more freedom of choice and you can "think like a pancreas"

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:41:29 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Diabetic Girl: That sounds like a plan and added to your bike riding, you are doing a great job!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:41:30 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Jani, I'm guessing your son has type 1 diabetes and if so, then GI is far less useful than it is for Type 2 folks -- Humalog eliminates the need for metering out glucose after a meal via slow digestion - but that can be a big help to folks with type 2 diabetes who rely on their body insulin to cover meals.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:42:40 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Kris: Yes, I'm taking Humalog. :-) A pancreas doesn't think, and if it does... mine's not very smart. lol :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:42:50 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
I got two pocket guides: one for the lowest foods on the g.i. and the other for diabetics. I got it thru amazon.com. My husband refers to the Glucose Revolution as my bible.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:43:11 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Yes I know the werid thing is that today I had sooooo much energy i had o get it out some how so I decied that I needed to fit into something in 6 months so why not start now?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:43:28 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
You are right - however, Humalog is new and has made is life much easier - it is a wonderful thing!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:43:29 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
L:-)L:-) Bug:-P

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:44:10 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug: Since you're using Humalog, are you using it at each meal? You had said you take 2 shots a day? How's that working?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:44:21 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Susie, those are the ones I use. You would probably like the new one. I felt that it was sufficiently "new" that I had to have it. Lots of new recipe ides, and not all the fancy type wither.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:45:39 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Kathryn, I don't think that the new one is available in the U.S. the versions of the others that I have have been adjusted/tailored for us Americans, measurement wise, etc.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:45:45 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
My pancreas must have amnesia. It doesn't remember how to do anything at all. lol :-) Well, I take Humulin and Humalog both, in the morning... and then before I have supper.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:45:59 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
Susie - I have the Gluc. Revolution - great - thanks for the info on the pocket guides

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:46:48 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Good point - I have to do the reverse myself for much of the info in our diabetic society library

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:47:24 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Bug, do you have any problems with low blood sugars over night? Sometimes NPH taken with supper can increase that risk.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:47:45 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
It's amazing that the ADA doesn't even entertain the notion of the g.i. Why do you think hostesses?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:48:22 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
brb my computer is acting strange

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:49:17 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie, as I said before, they had a group review the actual research data and I must say, It's not at all convincing when applied to large groups of people -- although we know that the benefit is quite pronounced for certain indivduals.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:49:49 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Betty, I haven't had any serious lows. Just a few fluctuations that happen every now and then. As for over night, I haven't been able to fall asleep for a month. I feel like I have insomnia, I just can't fall asleep till 6AM. :-(

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:50:31 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Diabetes Australia and Diabetes New Zealand on the other hand, do promote it.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:51:02 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Gee, Bug, if that isn't insomnia, I'm not sure what would qualify? LOL Next time you're staying up all night, check your BG around 3 am --

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:51:19 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
I had a high of 934 and I had a low of 23

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:51:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Yes, Kathryn, I know. I just edited the spring issue of our diabetes dietitians' newsletter here and had someone write a review, revisiting GI for just that reason.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:51:55 Eastern US
Jen{pa} (pumping10/00) from 12.23.197.113
wow diabetic girl :-o

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:52:24 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Diabetic Girl: I sure hope neither one happens often!!!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:52:37 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
Diabetic girl: Are your type 2?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:52:39 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Is Starlix much different than the Prandin that I am taking?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:53:02 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Is the newsletter available on line, as I'm interested to read.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:53:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Susie, Starlix is in the same class and likely to be very similar in effect.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:54:11 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Kathryn, I don't think OTCE is online -- but I'll let Kris handle this while I go do a quick check.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:54:33 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
I can see that there's a lot of T2 life/ changes/possibilities from listening to you all. I think I might have been a bit too wrapped up in my own self !!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:54:35 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
It has to be insomnia, just can't fall asleep till it's too late. :-( And it's not like I stay up late. I don't.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:55:11 Eastern US
Jen{pa} (pumping10/00) from 12.23.197.113
do you drink a lot of caffeine bug??

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:55:36 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
yes I am type 2 and some times it happends (934 was when I got dcd)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:55:50 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Kathryn, do you have a lot of family members with t2?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:56:09 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
No, I don't drink caffeine... it doesn't have any effect on me though.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:56:12 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
be right back

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:56:27 Eastern US
Jen{pa} (pumping10/00) from 12.23.197.113
hmm just wondering..

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:56:31 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug, I think Betty's suggestion of checking your blood sugar during the night might really help you see if that might be causing your body to "stay alert" when you'd like to sleep. Another cause of no sleep is worrying and stress. Any of that possible?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:57:32 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Yes- my paternal aunt had T2 and Down's syndrome, ny brother has T2 but he did not buckle down and has got renal failure and is going blind. On my husband's family his father 2 aunts and 2 cousins have T2.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:57:38 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
Diabetic girl: WOW - that is helpful to know-thanks

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:57:42 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Kathryn, it's not on line. I'll be glad to send you the trasncript of the GI review article if you'll drop me an e-mail at betty@diabetestraining.com

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:58:05 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Well, we have a couple minutes left, any thing else you're just dying to ask?

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:58:27 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Well, I do check my blood sugar during the night. My mum worries a lot, so I guess it's all genetics... lol :-)

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:58:34 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
when I was pregnant, my husband woke me up at 2 a.m. and fed me or else I was very very low in in a.m.

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:58:46 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Will there ever be a cure? :-(

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:59:33 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Great to meet all of you. Will join in next month and promise not to go on and on about GI !!

Wed Jan 24 2001 21:59:34 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.46
Betty I know this isn't the T1 or nutrition chat, but had to tell you I finally was able to order your book, in Halifax the week before last at Chapters!!

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:00:07 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Bug, with the research going on now, I think that the islet cell transplants look very hopeful! For type 2 the story is a little different.

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:00:09 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Kathryn, that's interesting. both of my parents have t2. I was interested in participating in a t2 research group at Rockefeller University. I could not participate because they could not tell from whom I was getting the d.

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:00:17 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
jani no problem

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:00:45 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Connie -- EUREKA!!!!! Thanks for letting me know -- if it was up to the ADA sales department, I don't think I'd EVER sell a book! LOL glad to see you

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:00:50 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Yes and about it for type 2 what is the deal about that?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:01:07 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
Susie, my endo said that its usually inherited thr the female line.

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:01:18 Eastern US
jani (mother of Joe 17, dx@11 me dx type 2 3mos ago) from 169.207.70.4
Great to be here !!

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:01:35 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Yes and about it for type 2 what is the deal about that?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:01:44 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
Kathryn, it was great chatting with you. If you can, drop in the Adult Type 2 chat room here. A few of us are always looking to chat and mostly miss each other.

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:01:53 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.46
LOL I couldn't find it in BC, Had to go to the other coast, they're mailing it to me!! $19.95 CDN

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:02:21 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Kathryn, I would have to disagree (although everyone knows how shy I am to disagree with a physician!) but Type 2 can be inherited from either side of the family -

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:02:25 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Well, I read something about them being able to cure Diabetes in mice. But, human testing and all that is years away. Research is way too slow it seems. The Islet Cell Trasplant thing doesn't look too promising, especially since you're going to have to take anti-rejection drugs for the rest of your life. I think that doesn't really solve the problem.

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:02:36 Eastern US
Kathryn (from New Zealand ; T2 8mo, husband 2 yrs) from 202.135.85.149
You mean I'm in the wrong room ??!!

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:02:54 Eastern US
Tmom from 204.0.250.158
Hey all-don't have d but husband is a 2, son is a 1 and dau is IR (insulin resistant). No d on my side.

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:02:57 Eastern US
baccajean from 64.12.104.182
may i join you?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:02:59 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Thanks everyone for joining us tonight. We'll hope to see you on line next month for the type 2 chat. We will also be on line for the type 2 chat the 2nd wednesday of each month.

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:03:08 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Bug I heard that exact same thing!

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:03:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
Well Connie, I think I'd better just bring a box with me to the Orlando meeting and solve these supply problems!

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:03:21 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
bug
(please get on aim)

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:03:51 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
sure

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:03:53 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Diabetic Girl? What's your AIM ID?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:04:17 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
No Kathryn, you're in the right room -- this is Type 2 support -- but there is also a generl chat room for type 2 adults that you can check out at any time to see if anyone is there --

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:04:18 Eastern US
Tmom from 204.0.250.158
Husband's family is loaded with autoimmune disease too-vitiligo, hypothyroidism, lychen planus-t2 may be related to autoimmune disease?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:05:01 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
u know it and buggy

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:05:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
The room will be open till half past for any of you who want to go on chatting. Thanks so much for a great night -- hope to see you all next month - and bring all your Type 2 fiends and family! Night!

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:05:11 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
i think u might know who this is

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:05:15 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 VSG co-host) from 205.188.195.157
Good night all.... have a good month

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:05:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.192.36
and bring your type 2 FRIENDS too!!! LOL

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:05:45 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Diabetic: Refresh my memory.

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:06:20 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
(manda manda)

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:06:39 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
bye Kris great to talk to you

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:06:44 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.218
thanks Kris and Betty. Far cry from your first attempt with just me!!!

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:07:33 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.46
Bye Betty and Kris

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:08:46 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
So....

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:08:59 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Bug?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:09:06 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
any one?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:09:26 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
my computer froze again

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:09:33 Eastern US
Bug from 24.68.36.189
Amanda manda manda, I won't be on AIM any longer...

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:10:22 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
Bug are you there?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:10:32 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
:-( why?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:10:40 Eastern US
Brenda (type 2) from 63.17.79.20
Any one here/

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:10:53 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
bye bye all bug meet me n side room 2 pleasE

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:11:35 Eastern US
jac (jacquiege@hotmail.com) from 207.194.17.25
is anyone here

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:11:48 Eastern US
jac (jacquiege@hotmail.com) from 207.194.17.25
is this a parents chat

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:12:15 Eastern US
jac (jacquiege@hotmail.com) from 207.194.17.25
gone to side room 2

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:14:07 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
bug?

Wed Jan 24 2001 22:16:21 Eastern US
Diabetic Girl (dxd '99) from 209.144.226.17
bye~~~~~~ GONE`

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