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Type 2 Support from February 28, 2001

Betty Brackenridge and Kris Swenson hosted a Virtual Support Group chat about Type 2 diabetes.

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com Wed Feb 28 2001 20:15:00 Eastern US
The 'Virtual Support' chat room is now open.

Wed Feb 28 2001 20:41:56 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
hello

Wed Feb 28 2001 20:46:02 Eastern US
Kevin (19pump) from 160.102.29.2
Hello?

Wed Feb 28 2001 20:49:46 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
hello

Chat Room Administrator chat@childrenwithdiabetes.com Wed Feb 28 2001 20:50:00 Eastern US
Our Type 2 support chat starts in 10 minutes in the Virtual Support room.

Wed Feb 28 2001 20:52:10 Eastern US
Jeff Hitchcock from 206.112.197.133
Our hosts should be here soon.

Wed Feb 28 2001 20:53:08 Eastern US
Borland from 148.243.9.17
Hello

Wed Feb 28 2001 20:54:22 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
this is my first time in a chat room

Wed Feb 28 2001 20:59:44 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Support Co-Host) from 152.163.194.179
Good Evening to all! Welcome to our Type 2 Virtual Suuport Group. The floor's open for all topics, questions or discussions that interest you.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:00:25 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Hello everyone. Ask away, we are listening....

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:00:30 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
I would like help with weight control

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:01:05 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
I am type 2 and have been fo r10 years

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:01:22 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
I just found out that I have type 2 2 days ago.. I need to lose weight as soon as possible.. help

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:02:45 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Betty is composing the answer right now.... just a minute

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:04:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Support Co-Host) from 152.163.194.179
Windycurl, and Michelle the things that really work to reduce body fat (which is the real issue when your doctor advises weight loss to help with control of Type 2 diabetes) are not very glamorous. There aren't any shortcuts. Diets don't work. A little more physical activity and smaller portions of the foods you like make the most sense. And please keep in mind that in Type 2 diabetes, weight loss is only one strategy for controlling blood sugar. Don't think that if you can't lose weight, there's nothing else that can be done.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:04:59 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
For type 2 diabetes, newer medicines can also help with weight loss as well as improving insulin resistance and blood sugars overall. Are either of you taking metformin (glucophage)? If not, why not is a good question to ask your provider.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:05:51 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Not yet..

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:06:07 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
I was told I have to do some other tests

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:06:20 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
no, I am on insulin 4 times a day

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:07:02 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
when I was first diagnosed I lost over 100 lbs, kept it off for 2 years, got depressed and gained it back

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:07:08 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
i have been taking Metabolife and I feel great with it,, and terrible without it

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:07:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Support Co-Host) from 152.163.194.179
Exercise (simple things like walking) can reduce insulin resistance and help lower blood sugar, whether or not you lose weight. Exercise is GREAT treatment for Type 2.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:08:14 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Michelle, before beginning any of the newer meds, a good look at your kidney and liver functions is very important. Metformin is the #1 treatment for type 2 diabetes all over the world for 46 years now. I would hope that this would be started soon so that you begin to get the benefits of the treatment.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:08:34 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58

I have started walking 30 mins a day...

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:09:00 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
i am obese, have a dog and walk with her but sometimes it is difficult to walk and doesn't help because my food intake is terrible

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:09:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Support Co-Host) from 152.163.194.179
Windycurl, your experience is SO common. There isn't any intervention that has a very good track record for helping people keep weight off.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:09:35 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
i am hungry most of the time

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:10:16 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
That is why I take Metabolife. I am not hungry with it...Without it I want to eat the whole refridgerator

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:11:40 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Windycurl, you too could probably get some real benefit from adding Metformin to your plan. Most people at our center with type 2 diabetes are on a combination of metformin, Actos or Avandia, some type of medicine to improve insulin secretion like Prandin and then we add insulin as needed, usually at bedtime to fix the fasting blood sugar. I would bet that cutting back on the insulin and adding the oral agents would improve your hunger and your blood sugars as it does for the patients we see. I hope you get an opportunity to ask you provider about this.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:11:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Support Co-Host) from 152.163.194.179
windycurl,sometimes dieting itself sets up a cycle of trying to totally avoid the foods you prefer, which is most commonly followed by eating that food out of control. Are you losing weight again on the Metabolife?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:12:39 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
thanks I am going to the dr on Monday, I can ask then.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:12:42 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
So far I have lost 27 pounds in 7 weeks

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:12:56 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
But I have tons to go

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:13:46 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
no I've never tried metabolife-I am very stagnet in losing weight

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:13:52 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Windycurl, I would suggest you look up metformin (glucophage) and be prepared to defend why this would be a good addition to your therapy. Sadly, many healthcare providers are not up to date on therapies for diabetes.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:13:58 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
congratulations michelle

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:14:05 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
To bring my BMI down to normal I need to lose about 100 more

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:14:11 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Support Co-Host) from 152.163.194.179
Also, understand that the amount of weight insulin resistance and diabetes control is only about 10-15 pounds. You get most of the benefit for the diabetes out of that modest initial weight loss. Michlle, have your blood sugars imporved with your weight loss?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:14:37 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Thank you.. It worked for all my friends but I was too scared..

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:15:04 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
And I mean now that I am not as hungry I can make "good" choices in my diet

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:15:13 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Well since I just started.. I am not sure..

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:15:32 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
I dont know what they were before Metabolife or before 2 days ago

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:16:00 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
michelle what diet are you following

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:16:16 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Support Co-Host) from 152.163.194.179
Do either of you gals test your blood sugars to see the effect of what you're doing on blood sugar?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:16:36 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
o it is metabolife, is it good

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:17:01 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
yes, I test my blood sugar twice a day

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:17:05 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Yes but I just started 2 days ago

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:17:41 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
and discovered that when it is high i have overeaten, usually it is below 200

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:17:47 Eastern US
BettyB (Type 2 Support Co-Host) from 152.163.194.179
It's understandable to want to lose weight but I hope that you'll try to take it easy. Rapid significant weight loss is followed by regaining of all of the lost weight in over 95% of people - regardless of the approach they use.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:17:54 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Today my waking up was 107

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:18:09 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Hi , on a sunny Thursday afternoon !

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:18:36 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
hi

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:19:33 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Hi Kathryn

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:20:07 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
In our program, people begin discovering their diabetes by testing before and 1-2 hrs after each meal. This is very good feed-back on how thier insulin, or the medicines they're taking, are able to keep the blood sugar in target range. The after meal blood sugar is one of the most important times to test--this blood sugar, if too high, has been shown to put people at more risk for heart disease in the long run. The surprising thing is that people don't feel sick when their blood sugar is out of target range. With more testing, you can guide your decision and your medicines more accurately.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:20:28 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Hello Kathryn. Sunny you say? It's rainy and chilly here in Phoenix, Arizona

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:21:25 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Hmm weight loss. A favourite subject until I stopped doing it. Started a "be kind vacation from wloss for Christmas"-started 1st November and still can't get back into it !!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:22:29 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
I've never been told that testing after a meal was important to prevent heart problems!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:23:11 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
It was a beatiful day in central fl - 86 and breezy

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:24:02 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
I've lost and kept off 13 kilograms; another 15 kg to go.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:24:48 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Kathryn -- how much is that american?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:24:57 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
congrats to u too

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:24:59 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Windycurl, again it is not well know in the general health care world. We only focus on diabetes so we are very interested in what the science is telling us. I would encourage you and all people with diabetes to look at their before and after meal blood sugars to see if they are matching up insulin to the foods eaten. We have more rapid acting insulin such as Humalog and we have new pills such as Prandin and Starlix that help you make more insulin quickly after the meal.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:25:08 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
It is nice here in CA it is about 60 and windy..

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:25:15 Eastern US
KrisS (Type 2 Support co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Lots of new and exciting things on the diabetes horizen.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:25:50 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
2 stone 6 pounds

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:26:52 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
to go; 2 stone 1 pound gone

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:27:35 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
Kris do u recommend any books that could offer more suggestions

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:27:44 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Got thrown out on my ear into cyberspace.. but now am back. Hi, Kathryn and all.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:28:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
KAthryn's 13 kg is about 29 pounds

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:29:58 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Betty, I did the 1 hour post snack testing as you suggested. Got things like 6.7mmol. 2 hours after my main meal and a 5 kilometre walk 4.6 mmol. Times like this I wonder if my doc is right. Seems too good to be diabetes ?? Only did one GTT, because she seemed so sure. Fasting 6.6 1 hour 13.7; 2 hours 11.2 What do you think ?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:30:10 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Thanks Kathryn

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:31:55 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Kathryn, with those GTT numbers, it's definitely diabetes. Like me, you're early in the course when more exercise and just distributing food a little more wisely CAN produce EXCELLENT BG control

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:32:45 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
B-e-t-t-y-!! That's my attempt to whine pathetically on-line !!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:33:18 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
what are GTT

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:33:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
As the disease progresses, it gets more challenging, especially as the ability to produce insulin falls. Early on most of us still make a good amount of insulin -- and if we can use it well, with the help of exercise or oral agents, we can maintain nearly normal BG values..

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:34:11 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
GTT stands for Glucose Tolerance Test. It's one way to diagnose diabetes. A big load of glucose is drunk and the blood sugar tested periodically for a few hours.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:34:14 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Windycurl, there are several good books for reference from the American Diabetes ASsociation. Some are Type 2 diabetes and what to do, another is What to expect from your doctor. Another resource is right here. Link to DiabetesMonitor and read up on the new medicines for type 2 diabetes

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:34:45 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
LOLOL - whyyy are you whiiining, KAthryn?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:36:00 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
My current problem is desire to eat chocolate and lots of it. i have several after my main meal with 1 glass of red wine on my day off (nurse). Still get BGs of <6mmol. I'm whining because I wanted you to say my endo was WRONG!!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:36:10 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Those near-normal blood sugars show you're treating your diabetes well, K - not that it's gone away.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:37:28 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Betty that is the test that I am having this friday

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:37:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Yep!! I know the feeling. Denial lives strong in the human heart!! But people who don't have diabetes never have blood sugars of 13mmol (about 240 for those of you in the US). Sorry I didn't have better news!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:38:22 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
I've recently that it is not the sugar that counts it is the amount of carbs in the product. Therefore, sugar is ok if one accounts for the carbs????

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:38:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Michelle, I'm not understanding why you're having a GTT if you've already been diagnosed with diabetes. Did the doctor happen to say?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:39:00 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
I have never had one

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:39:55 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
And, Kathryn. I'm not surprised that your blood sugars aren't going crazy after adding chocolate and red wine to a reasonable meal -- neither one of them raises blood sugar very much!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:39:58 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Ok here is the situation.. I went into do tests for infertillity. I have neven been able to get pregnant

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:40:25 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Windycurl, you are absolutely right. Sugar is merely a carbohydrate so it is important to look at "total" carbohydrate when figuring out how much you are eating and/or if you are matching Humalog insulin dose to the food choice. Sugar is not a bad food. It is just one of many carbohydrates that we can eat, just like fruits, potatoes, cereals, etc.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:41:03 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Michelle, I asked because the glucose tolerance test is not used so much these days. Diagnostic criteria have been updated so that the diagnosis can be madde without putting you through that. The "Glucola" they ask you to drink is pretty yucky.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:42:09 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Michelle, it's very common for women with type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance to also have polycystic ovary disease. Has your doctor mentioned this possibility?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:42:33 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
so they sent me a letter to tell me I was diabetic. They then told me to come the next day and take another fasting test..

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:43:10 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
I had the GTT, becasue my fastings were borderline, and wouldn't you know,the GP said the GTT was borderline as well. I got a second opinion from an endo and she was as definite as you Betty. Said there was no point in repeating it as ADA criteria would have it. Said any BG>13 was diagnostic.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:43:24 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
My doc received the results and told me to start losing weight and to go in for the Glucose test on Friday

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:43:44 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Michelle, it couldn't have been much fun getting news like that in a letter. Sorry that was your first experience with diabetes!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:44:01 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
She said the weight and the Diabetes is making me not got pregnant

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:44:41 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
So she told me to lose weight and start walking

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:44:43 Eastern US
windycurl from 64.12.103.46
it's been great talking with you all, gotta take thhe dog out, thanks for the help and see you next month.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:45:20 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Goodnight Windycurl, hope this was helpful. Good luck this month! Talk to you later.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:45:30 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Michelle, is your doctor an endocrinologist? I would expect an endocrinologist to be more familiar with PCOS (polycystic ovary disease) than a general medicine doctor or internist.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:45:57 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Do you have any motivational suggestions to help me deprive my sweet tooth and get back into some weight loss ?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:46:06 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
No She is an IM dr.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:47:36 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Michelle, since that is the case, I would highly suggest you consider getting an opinion of an endocrinologist. A specialist may have more answers to your infertility challenges.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:48:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Kathryn, what works best differs from person to person and this may not be right for you. But some of things things that work are: trying to get out of the nmody that the sweets are a "guilty pleasure." Forbidden fruit is so much sweeter. If you p0lan some sweets into your eating on a regular basis - even a little something with every meal, it may help you avoid overdoing it.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:48:41 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
I plan to.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:49:05 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Hey

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:49:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Love my spelling, don't you?? That was supposed to be "trying to get out of the MODE of seeing sweets as forbidden fruit.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:49:23 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Michelle, good for you. Taking charge!!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:49:31 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Guilty pleasure indeed- hidden in the wardrobe and eaten when I'm sure my husband and kids won't catch me !

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:49:43 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Hi spellbound - welcome to the Type 2 chat.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:49:54 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
A/S/L?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:50:10 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Thanks, Hi

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:50:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Another thing is to keep food records -- not just of what you eat but how you;re feeling, what's going on. Then maybe you can find your triggers for overeating. Things like getting too tired or eating alone are examples of triggers.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:51:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
A/S/L? don't understand, spellbound.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:51:40 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Well Im not diabetic but my little brother is, he is 10 Im 14

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:51:58 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Its stands for age, sex, location

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:52:22 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
hello

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:52:28 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Does Anyone live in Washington?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:52:43 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
That's a good point - when I was first on the T2 diet and wanting to loose wt, I kept a notebook. And that's when I did the best.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:53:06 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Kathryn, honey! That's got to feel rotten. You should be ENJOYING that chocolate when you eat it. Savoring every bit - not feeling bad about it. Did you know we give chocolate bars in the third week of our diabetes class? It shows people two things: 1) chocolate doesn;t raise blood sugar much because it has so much fat, and 2) it's a lousy treatment for low blood sugar!!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:53:37 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
I think I was probably a little obsessional though

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:53:47 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Hello Connie! How goes it?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:54:21 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
Betty if more nutritionists and D care people were like you, we'd all be happy

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:54:23 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Does Anyone live in Washington?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:54:36 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
How much would be ok ? or is it test and see, and watch the scales becasue of the fat ?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:54:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Is that something you think you could do again -- keep a notebook, Kathryn? It's not surprising it helped.. it's the single thing most associated with weight loss and blood sugar control. Maybe you ought to keep the food record in the wardrobe and do THAT on the sly!! LOL sorry! we're awful smart alecks over here!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:55:07 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
I'm fine just went thru a 6.8 earthquake!!LOL Sugars stayed at 75ish all day!!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:55:29 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Well I live in Washington and there was an earthquake at school today

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:55:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
spellbound, we have New Zealand, Arizona, Florida and California represented here tonight... and yu in WA.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:55:42 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Connie -- Are you ok?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:55:43 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
WOW- You did 2!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:55:43 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Connie-wow! Does the earth move often under your feet?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:56:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Connie, sounds like you and spellbound shared an experience today!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:56:33 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Connie--- I went throught that earthquake too!!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:56:46 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
It's fine here, was quite the rumble, but apparent;y 50 km deep so not a sbad a s it could be, Seatle got it worse

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:56:57 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Yeah, I was at school and everyone started screaming!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:57:18 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Yeah I live in Seattle

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:57:25 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Spellbound, how are you doing?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:57:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Kathryn, start with the amount that seems to you like a "normal portion< then check your blood sugar post meal. You can also try taking small amounts and having them periodically throughout the day.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:57:46 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Yes, I'm going to get that notebook out ! Its also a record of what meals worked I guess.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:57:50 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
I am having high blood sugars after meals that take about 3 to 4 hours to return to normal with fasting about 106 mg/dl, I am 44, wt 137 and 5 feet 7 inches and exercise regularly, I also have two children with diabetes (boy and girl) so what am I? Type ll, GT or late onset type l, doctor wants to put me on avainda (?) I dont want to use oral meds if I am a late onset type l.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:57:54 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Amazing! We were teaching all day and didn't hear about it until now! Wow! How scary that must have been for everyone.

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:58:01 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Since I am from Cali I am used to them.. We had a 4.4 the other day and it did not eveb phase me

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:58:19 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Well Im Ok was just a littke shooken up tho

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:59:06 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Yeah we had to wait outside for about an hour to be sure there was no after shock

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:59:08 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
Spellbound are yuo on a cable connection or phone line for your computer?

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:59:21 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
I went through a whole summer of repeated earthquakes when I was a kid in Calfornia - I remeber it like it was yesterday. QUITE the feeling!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:59:35 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
Michelle, didn't feel like what I thought it would!

Wed Feb 28 2001 21:59:54 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Really...?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:00:01 Eastern US
spellbound (Im Awesome) from 65.3.157.115
Im on cable connection

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:00:10 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Re earthquakes: NZ has so many our nickname is "The Shaky Isles"

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:00:10 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Hello Lori. You have asked a good question. Have you had an insulin level drawn. Insulin antibody tests or GAD proteins would tell you if you had type 1 diabetes or not. A c-peptide would only tell you amounts of insulin present.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:00:13 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
What did you think it would feel like?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:00:50 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
Thought it would feel like the earth moved, felt like a train going by!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:00:57 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
No I have not been offered those tests by my doctor. Who does that kind of testing?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:02:28 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
Well I better leave you to your chat, was just butting in as usual!!!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:02:54 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Lori, it doesn't sound like you need a treatment for insulin resistance, more a medicine to help you produce more insulin such as Starlix or Prandin. These are newer agents that help your pancreas produce more insulin quickly after eating. You might also benefit from metformin but if you have type 1 diabetes, these will only work on a short term basis as you well know. If you have type 2, it could likely help manage your blood sugars for longer.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:03:01 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
No stay Connie..

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:03:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Lori, to understand better how to distinguish between type 1 and type 2 diabetes, go to the "Ask the D-Team" questions on this site. Ther have been m,any answers provided by our team that explain the various tests and what they mean. Any doc can order them, but ynot all general physicians would be familiar with them or know how to interpret the results.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:03:16 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Any diabetic help is good

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:03:40 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Do you think Starlix might exhaust the insulin quicker ?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:03:45 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Good night Connie. Tuck yourself in tight tonight!!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:04:23 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
G'Nite Connie

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:04:41 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Kathryn, they don't feel that this is the case since it works so quickly and research shows the amount of insulin released is much like the pancreas was supposed to do. Really sounds like a great new tool. Just came on the market. 1 pill at each meal.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:05:00 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
What do you mean exhaust the insulin faster Kathryn?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:05:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Well, folks, we're past the ending time for the chat and I want to thank you all for taking part and sharing tonight. The room will stay open for another 30 minutes or so for those of you who want to finish your conversations. See you next month!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:05:03 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (T 1 // pumping) from 207.194.16.14
I'm over at parents!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:05:18 Eastern US
KrisS (chat co-host) from 64.12.103.36
Good night everybody. Have a safe diabetes journey until we meet again!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:05:52 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Like cause the beta cells to run out of insulin making/releasing

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:05:53 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
Would insulin not be safer?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:06:10 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Hey- thanks Betty and Kris

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:06:19 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Kathryn, the data seem to indicate that with Starlix, the body makes the same TOTAL amont of insulin as it does with no medicine, BUT it makes it at the right time, which keeps the blood sugar from rising. VERY cool!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:06:32 Eastern US
Michelle from 152.163.205.58
Thank you everyone.. Goodnight

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:07:01 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Indeed !

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:07:57 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
Ok then why does my doctor want to put me on Avanda or other oral meds? I don't understand the logic?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:08:10 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Lori, insulin is a great medicine - another tool. The trick is to find the right tool to fix the specific problem you;re having. To do what Starlix does, you would need to take an injection of very rapid acting insulin at every meal. Most people would see the pill as being easier -- as long as it worked for them.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:08:36 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Well, guys, Good night!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:08:36 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
Kathryn what do you and your husband use for your diabetes care?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:09:37 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
So if you are ok with injections, insulin is a safe and effictive tool to manage type ll diabetes?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:09:47 Eastern US
Lexxxi from 65.3.157.115
You all suck

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:09:55 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Lori, theres a discussion on this drug at the web site Healthtalk Interactive, diabetes section. Its only for new cases. Maybe its because you are seeing a generalist, not a specialist .
Both of us are still early days. I use diet and exercise, husband uses diet and wishful thinking.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:09:58 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.103.48
Lori, there are several different classes of drugs for Type 2 diabetes and they all do something different - address different problems. Getting more information about your options may help you discuss what's going on with your doctor.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:11:02 Eastern US
lexxxi from 65.3.157.115
Dont you guys talk about anything other then diabetes?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:11:10 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
Yes Kathryn I think you are rite, need to see someone else.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:12:23 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
Actually I would feel better about insulin becasue I know it and understand it well. Have had diabetes with my kids for 11 years now.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:12:47 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Lori- the other avenue I reccomment is a book called "Taking control of your diabetes" Steven Edelman can get from Amazon for approx $US17. Its fabulous and covers EVERYTHING and my copy is very well used.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:13:07 Eastern US
lexxxi from 65.3.157.115
STOP TALKING ABOUT DIABETES~

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:13:19 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
Thanks Kathryn I will order it tonite! :)

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:14:30 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
Don't you have to have liver profiles with all these other drugs to control type ll diabetes?

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:14:43 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Yes- would go well with both you and the kids 1 The author has had T1 since a teenager and is an endocrinologist in San Diego.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:15:20 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
With many of them Book goes into all of this

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:17:25 Eastern US
Kathryn from New Zealand (T2 7 mo; husband T2 2 yrs) from 203.96.152.183
Goodnight all, hve to go and cook the evening meal and set out my piece of chocolate by my plate.

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:17:32 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
Thanks to you all for the information I am off to order the book on line and Thanks again!

Wed Feb 28 2001 22:17:49 Eastern US
Lori (Florida) from 24.4.252.247
goodnite!

Wed Feb 28 2001 23:11:16 Eastern US
Falconer (Adult w/ T2? Hypoglycemic?) from 208.143.84.86
Ah, there evgeryone is!

Wed Feb 28 2001 23:12:47 Eastern US
Falconer (Adult w/ T2? Hypoglycemic?) from 208.143.84.86
It would seem that the sustained high (170+) readings I was getting were due to a viral infection/flu... and now that I'm not drinking Pepsi like a fiend anymore, the problem is keeping the reading up to or over 80... Help?

Wed Feb 28 2001 23:13:27 Eastern US
Falconer (Adult w/ T2? Hypoglycemic?) from 208.143.84.86
It would seem that the sustained high (170+) readings I was getting were due to a viral infection/flu... and now that I'm not drinking Pepsi like a fiend anymore, the problem is keeping the reading up to or over 80... Help?

Wed Feb 28 2001 23:14:58 Eastern US
Falconer (Adult w/ T2? Hypoglycemic?) from 208.143.84.86
HELLO?

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