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Type 2 Support from March 28, 2001

Betty Brackenridge and Kris Swenson hosted a Virtual Support Group chat about Type 2 diabetes.

Chat Room Administrator Wed Mar 28 2001 20:15:00 Eastern US
The 'Virtual Support' chat room is now open.

Wed Mar 28 2001 20:25:02 Eastern US
"D" GUY from 66.81.27.43
Brittany I want to talk

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:00:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Good evening to all. Tonight's Virtual Support Group is for people with type 2 diabetes and their support persons. Any questions or topics of discussion are fair game. Kris and I are here to answer questions if that's your pleasure. We'll be starting at 9pm Eastern.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:10:46 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
Hi!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:11:10 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Hi, Susie -- how are you tonight?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:12:02 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
Hangin' in there, and you?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:12:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Doing fine -- although it's a bit lonely here tonight!! LOL

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:14:15 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
It seems t2s often are not seeking the support that the parents of Ds are. I really find that amazing.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:14:20 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Any burning questions bring you into the chat tonight?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:15:13 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Yes, it is disappointing to say the least. Any ideas why that might be the case?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:16:47 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
I'm still trying to get this diet this right. After the fiasco with the pain from the low gi diet and not enough water, I'm reajusting again...

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:17:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
When you do regular support groups, people with type 2 typically show up in much larger numbers thanmthose with type 1. But since this site grew out of the ChildrenwithDiabetes website, I don't think we have a great many folks with type 2 frequenting the site yet.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:17:32 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
As a mother, I think can empathize with other parents who are seeing their children suffering/dealing with D.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:17:58 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Have you noticed much improvement yet? and what has the effect on your blood sugars been?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:18:11 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
I haven't been able to find a good support group to meet my needs in my area.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:18:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Truly - we can all understand. Parents will often put much more effort into anything to help their child than they would put into something for themselves.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:19:21 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
Hello.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:19:27 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Is there not a group at all, or just not one that feels like "home?"

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:19:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Hi, Teresa -- welcome to the Type 2 chat. Glad you dropped by!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:19:58 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
I have a burning question.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:20:11 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
I saw a dramatic change, for the better, when I adopted the gi regiment. My bg was out of control since I was sick this past summer and fall. The regular ADA diet just wasn't doing the trick. When I began getting the pain, and finally told my dr. about it, he urged me to drink water and to reduce the fiber for a while.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:21:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
So what has been the result since you last saw him? Less pain? Higher BG's?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:21:27 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
My son John is a type 1 diabetic. His endo called today to tell us he has to much protein in his urine. I was not home so I did not get to talk to her. Can anyone tell me exactly what this might mean.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:22:42 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Can you do fresh fruits? That is fiber (with fluid) that may meet both your GI (glycemic index) and gi (gastrointestinal) needs...

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:22:48 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Teresa, I can imagine how concerned you are getting a message like that. Have you read the information on the site about kidneys?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:23:45 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
I don't think so.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:23:51 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
Less pain, slightly higher #s, but still much better than before. My a.m. #s have been hardest since I use 3 puffs of asthmacort before bed. It is better than when I was on Flovent. They are still, under 150 in a.m. and I am usually around 100 the rest of the day.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:24:22 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
I have A1c next week.....

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:26:18 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
there are a few groups in my area, but I haven't found one that meets my needs.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:27:01 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
His last A1c was 8.3. Last week. That is down from 9.4 three months ago. Before that it was 11. something. He is just now coming back under control.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:27:32 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
Teresa - what kind of urine test was it?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:27:46 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Teresa, first I would suggest you discuss this futher with your son's physician. Perhaps it should be retested to be sure. Lots of things can throw off the protein in the urine, high blood sugars, stress, an infection. Before un-necessary worry, talk to the physician.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:28:31 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
I don't know Judy. Just one they do every year. The endo does a thorough exam with blood work and urine once a year.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:28:35 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Betty and I have just looked at the site for info on kidneys and found some answers to questions under the "Ask the D Team". You might want to check that out. Some questions/answers might be of interest.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:28:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Sounds like all in all, you're doing very well, especially for a transitional period. Once your gut is back to normal, Susie, you can start to add the higher fiber foods back in slowly -- but I'll bet you won't forget about drinking lots of water again.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:29:21 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
My son told me she, the endo, wants him to urinate in a jug for 24 hours.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:29:36 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
Teresa - I imagine the next test will be a 24-hour urine for microalbumin.....I wouldn't get excited yet

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:30:01 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Teresa, you can search under the terms "kidneys" and "proteinuria." There is a lot of helpful info in D-Team questions -- questions posed to the health professionals that help support the site..

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:30:52 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Teresa, that is good to have done once a year.. a 24 hour urine test for total protein.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:30:55 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
what is a good amt of water per day?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:30:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Hi, Judy. Thanks for joining in.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:31:13 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
Ok I will try that. Thank you.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:31:16 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
Hi Betty

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:32:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
hard to say -- depends on temperature, how much you're perspiring, and a few other things. Your urine should be very light colored as a rule -- for most people this requires somewhere between a quart and a half gallon (4 and 8 8-oz glasses) of water or other caffeine-free liquids a day

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:33:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Hi, Judy -- any questions burning a hole in your mind tonight?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:34:11 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Good luck, Teresa.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:34:38 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
hmmmmm.......no questions, but let me tell you, it's awfully difficult to have your diabetic kid sick and NOT at home

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:36:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
wow, Judy, that's got to be very hard --- how far away is Eliisa? and what are you doing to stay sane?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:36:29 Eastern US
Teresa (son John,dx'd@4 age 14) from 209.45.136.202
Thank you Betty.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:36:45 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Hi , can I ask a question even though this is a type 2 chat tonight?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:37:00 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
I was contacted some time ago about participating in a study through Rochester U. I was rejected because both of my parents are D and they wanted to follow a family line, or some such thing. You know of any other studies currently?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:37:05 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
she is 3 hours from home.......I just want to "mother" her and I can't

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:37:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Hi, Connie! We've got to stop meeting like this!! LOL What's on your mind tonight?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:39:44 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Susie, we don't know of any right off the tops of our heads.. but you could check out the NIH and NIDDK websites -- they fund the BIG studies. Also, there are often smaller studies of particular drugs and devices done through local doctos' offices. Have you told your own doctor you're interested in being a research subject?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:39:58 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Had my A1c done Monday, they also did an A1c Ratio, have no idea what that means!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:40:52 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Judy, I'd be like a cat on a hot tin roof! How often is she calling home? Probably not as often as you'd like!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:41:32 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Connie, we haven't heard of that one.. we suggest that you get a copy of the lab and see what the test is about and the normal ranges.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:41:57 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
what's an A1c ratio?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:42:33 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
I was willing to participate in this study since it involved on drawing blood in my dr's ofc and sending it out to NY. I'm not sure that I want to try new meds since I am on so many already and we seem to have gotten it "right"....

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:42:56 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
Betty - I think Elissa waits too long to go to the infirmary
she had a seizure last fall.......that's a very LONG story I'll save for another time!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:43:16 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
on=only

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:43:19 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Sorry, Judy - that's anew one on us... has anyone else heard of an A1c ratio?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:44:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Well, Susie, then a drug study wouldn't have a good payoff for you! No reaosn to do a study that doesn't have the potential to be of help to you.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:44:30 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
I have the lab copy, no ranges on the copy, and it's totally different # then what the A1c is

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:45:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Judy, did you and her talk through what happened that time? Sometimes a fiasco can be a great learning experience.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:45:08 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
I have never been seen by an endo. Do you think that it would be a good idea to atleast get a consult?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:46:34 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
A1c was 7.5 ratio was 1.210

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:46:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Connie, the only thing I can think of is that there are different "glycosykated hemoglobin" fractions on the red cell -- hemoglobin A1c is only one of them. It might be a ratio among the differnet fractions... but I haven't even seen anything in the porfessional journals that would suggest why that would be a good idea... now I'm curious!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:46:51 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Suzie, the caution is that many endos are not specialists in diabetes. That is an assumption that is not often true. If you feel your diabetes is going well, you are probably not in need of a consult. If you feel there might be something missed, then a consult might help you feel confident in your current therapy.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:47:40 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
we went over it again and again, Betty.....still, I've been a lot less relaxed since
Susie - you just totally surprised me - no endo?

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:47:46 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
LMAO - sorry about all the spelling.typing boo-boos!!!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:49:13 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
No Judy, except when I was pregnant.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:49:37 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Darn, now I'll have to wait till my endo is back...LOL

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:49:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Endo's are almost always involved in the care of kiddos - both because of their growth situation and because of the potential for other endocrine conditions being more common in kids with type 1 -- but people most people with type 2 diabetes see primary care or internal medicine doctors, only seeing an endo in consult if there is a specific problem.

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:51:20 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Judy, I hope all goes well this time -- it would help both Elissa and you to see that she handles this well on her own -- not with as much nurturing as if Mom were closer -- but competently anyway

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:52:17 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Connie, when you find out about the ratio, your assignment is to come find me and tell me about it!! LOL

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:52:37 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
I understand, Betty. But we have a doctor in our community who - in my opinion- has cause great harm to some of his diabetic patients because he doesn't know what the heck he is doing!! and it frustrates me i can't say anything

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:53:44 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
ok Betty!!LOL

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:54:28 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
I have confidence in my gp. However, he is happy with A1cs in the 6's. From all that I have read, it seems that it should run a bit lower. I wonder if an endo would be more aggressive, but that may mean more meds and I don't want that....

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:55:15 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Judy, I'm sorry to have to say I know exactly what you're talking about. There are providers oiterally everywhere whose lack of current skills has a negative impact on their patients with diabetes. It's why education is SO important... so people knows what's needed and can say so when they're not getting it!! Or go find another doc who will give it them!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:56:13 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Susie, that's a wonderfull A1c, my endo is happy if it's kept under 8

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:57:17 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Susie, an A1c in the range of 6 is fantastic!!! That is as close to normal as can be without being in normal range. I think you have found a great GP if this is making you both happy. We have to say that we know plenty of endos who would think that type 2's would be "OK" having Aic's in the 9 range. So, you are really ahead of the game!!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:58:06 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
Thanks Connie. I work really hard to get those 6's!!!!! It's a constant battle and so often, even though I stick to the diet and exercise, my body doesn't respond. I guess that you know all about that!!!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:59:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Only a couple more minutes left in the scheduled chat, troops. Any last questions or comments before we toddle off to watch West Wing?"

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:59:26 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
I'm off to bed. Goodnight everyone

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:59:38 Eastern US
Judy from NY (Elissa..college sophmore..pumping 16 years) from 24.161.8.39
and thanks, Betty :-)

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:59:39 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Kris, my endo insist on below 8, and if you're below 7, you're a "star" pupil as he says!!

Wed Mar 28 2001 21:59:54 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
night Judy!

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:00:58 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Night, Judy. I hope you sleep well -- she watched you do things for a lot of years -- it'll all kick in one of these days most likely!

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:00:59 Eastern US
Susie from 209.152.220.163
Thank you Betty. I have a difficult time finding my place in many D chatrooms. Thank you for this opportunity. I hope that we get more 2s next month. Don't give up on us.

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:01:23 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Betty, I'm gonna toddle off to the swimming pool tonight!!LOL

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:01:24 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Connie, I think that anything in that range, if it's without having lows, is a win for you. It isn't easy "thinking like a pancreas" day in day out. I hope that you are made to feel like a "star" for all the work you put in, no matter what your A1c is.

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:02:14 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
I can't seem to loose anymore the 15 pounds, so I started swimming 3 days a week before bedtime!

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:02:53 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Kris, my endo is one of the most wonderful people in the world!! And he's only 73!!LOL

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:03:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Susie, Kris and I will try to have faith... how about bringing a few type 2 friends with you next month!! We're glad you came.

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:03:52 Eastern US
Kris (Type 2 chat co-host) from 205.188.195.137
Good night to you all. Have a great month and we'll see you at the next VSGroup.

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:04:10 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
Well, Connie, it's got to feel great, even if you never lose another ounce!! Later everybody -- and we'll look for the report on the A1c ratio on our desk in the nest week!! LOL Night!!

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:04:23 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Thanks Betty and Kris!! See you soon!

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:05:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Chat Co-Host) from 205.188.200.184
The room will stay open for a few more minuttes for those who want to finish off any thoughts. Bye all!

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:05:56 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Night Susie!

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:06:36 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.134
Betty, I still have 45 unwanted lbs to go.....

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:48:02 Eastern US
NixinThrashmore (Insulin Dependent Diabetic age 23, dx'd at 7) from 152.163.195.187
Hello everyone

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:49:12 Eastern US
NixinThrashmore (Insulin Dependent Diabetic age 23, dx'd at 7) from 152.163.195.187
anyone from chicago,IL besides myself?

Wed Mar 28 2001 22:58:20 Eastern US
NixinThrashmore (Insulin Dependent Diabetic age 23, dx'd at 7) from 152.163.195.187
any one up in here use the insulin pump

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