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Type 2 Support from April 25, 2001

Betty Brackenridge and Kris Swenson hosted a Virtual Support Group chat about Type 2 diabetes.

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Wed Apr 25 2001 20:54:44 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Hello anyone and everyone. We will begin in 6 minutes so get your questions ready... we're listening :)

Wed Apr 25 2001 20:57:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Welcome all to the Type 2 Virtual Support Group. Any and all questions that interest you are fair game.

Wed Apr 25 2001 20:58:35 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Hi

Wed Apr 25 2001 20:59:23 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Hello Nancy in SC. How are ya tonight?

Wed Apr 25 2001 20:59:29 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Hi Kris and Betty - all the other chats plus daylight saving finishing here and starting ( I guess) there have conspired to prevent me joining you...

Wed Apr 25 2001 20:59:53 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
I was diagnosed less than 3 months ago by a random screen of 227, an OGTT of 269/hr, 259/2 hr but my A1c was only 5.7. I am having doubts about my diagnosed since most of my reading are good except some 2/hr post meal. I am beginning to think I am just glucose intolerant.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:01:07 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Hello Kathryn... welcome tonight.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:02:08 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Betty the Ellyn Satter book was great. My son has moved to live in my house since we last spoke. No doubt I'm going to get opportunities to use the good advice.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:03:01 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, I would have to say that you have do indeed have diabetes. Probably it is in it's early stages and your hemoglobin A1c is normal because of timing. You are lucky it is found early. Are you testing your blood sugar at home before and after meals?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:03:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Nancy, I know it is a little confusing to see a normal Aic, but one of the reasons that Type 2 diabetes can go undetected for so long is tht the sugars aren't high ALL the time at first. Those repeated numbers in the 200's definitely say you have diabetes.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:04:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Oh, KAthryn, it sounds like that will be a really good change for him --and I'm glad you found the book helpful -- I think SAttyr s really great

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:04:30 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Kris, yes, all of my fastings are great. After I eat not so good sometimes, like tonight 197 2/hr post meal

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:04:56 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Ah Nancy- I've felt that way too. But mostly I beleive that I've got T2, specially when my morning fasting BGs are 6.8 etc. Too high to be non-diabetic.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:04:57 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
to all on the chat, this is the first time that Betty and I have not done this together. She is in Boston for presentations and I am left here at the home office to keep things running until she gets back. Bet we double answer alot tonight.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:05:46 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Because of my size my CDE thinks I might be a Type 1.5. Have you ever heard of that type?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:06:10 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
WE got to begin the new medicine Starlix for 2 patients today. Anyone else taking that?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:07:04 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
diabetes is a journey -- it's not like turning a faucet on - it changes with time

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:07:08 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
is that the one where it has to be your only or first med for T2?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:07:29 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
No I am on Glucophage 500mg XR

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:08:32 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, I have heard that term alot but I would have to say that type 2 diabetes is type 2 diabetes... decreased amounts of insulin over time. If you are thin, that is the main problem. If you are "under tall", then insulin resistance and extra sugar from the liver also need to be treated.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:08:35 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Nancy, calling someone 1 1/2 is sort of like saying -- not sure -- some things that suggest type 1 and some that suggest type 2 - we seem to be seeing more such folk of late --maybe a very slowly developing form of type 1

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:09:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
No KAthryn, Stalix is in the same class as Prandin (Guconorm in some countries) - it's like a short acting sulfonylurea, taken with meals only.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:09:59 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Starlix is a new medicine that increases the amount of insulin you make, but only when you need it at meals. You take it with meals and don't take it if you don't eat. Looks good in studies and now we're trying it in the "real world". You can take it with other oral agents such as Glucophage and Actos or Avandia.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:10:15 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
I was 98 kg when first diagnosed, lost weight and have been 84 kg for the last 4 months. If I had not lost weight and exercised, would my BGs have been higher or got higher ?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:10:22 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
My CDE has written a letter to my doctor suggesting he do a C-Peptide test. What would be the normal results of that test?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:10:26 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
oops - my wonderful typing again!! GLUCONORM

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:11:58 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, the c-peptide test can vary from time of day. There was a wonderful article on this in Diabetes Forecast magazine a couple of months ago. It spelled out expected readings nicely.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:12:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Kathryn, it's quite likely that your blood sugars would have stayed the same or gotten worse without the weight loss. Taking off even a few pounds tends to redue insulin resistance, especially early in the course of tType2. When you're less resistant, your own insulin once again becomes sufficient to meet the need, keeping your blood sugars in a better rnnge. Seems to me you're exercising too - that also helps resistance.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:13:07 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, you could also measure for insulin antibodies. These are only present in type 1 diabetes while c-peptides, which measure insulin, can be present in both type 1 and type 2.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:13:59 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
I really don't think I need the Glucophage since I think it mostly works on fasting blood sugars, right?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:15:47 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, Glucophage XR works to suppress extra sugar from the liver, which is a major problem for fasting blood sugar. It also work to help reduce insulin resistance.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:16:00 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Yes, but I couldn't keep up either my dietary iron-will or the 6 kilometer walks. So now i do 3 kms and eat some chocolate...

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:17:43 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
here's a yummy lunch (I'm having mine now) - a small tin of lemon pepper tuna drained of oil, mix in some natural yoghurt to bind the filling, spread on wholegrain bread without yellow spread, add cucumber and/or other salad vegies, top with second slice of bread. It's divine.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:17:53 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
KAthryn, you're doing great - it's not the number on the scale that's the biggest issue - is how you're feeling, how your life is going and how your blood sugars are - 3 km is quite a hike!!!

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:18:29 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
All of my fasting sugars are good (90-105) It is mostly after I eat.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:19:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Kathryn! Lemon Pepper tuna - never seen it. Sounds great!

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:20:13 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Kathryn, I just finished a turkey tv dinner so stop already with the food!!!!! Just kidding of course :)

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:20:13 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
John West brand - thought that was an American brand.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:20:53 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, has your educator introduced you to carbohydrate counting? It is helpful in watching how much carb will raise you blood sugar.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:20:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Nope - no John West Brand here -- maybe Canadian or Brit?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:21:05 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Ever since I found this site I have read a bunch of your previous transcripts. Betty, I think you are on everyone of them. I even remember seeing Kathryn on a couple.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:21:45 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Yep

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:22:21 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Yes, I am counting carbs. 4 per meal.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:22:36 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
I'm on most of the hosted chats, Nancy -- I help set them up for the site. I do some myself, I moderate others and I rope my friends from all around into doing the rest! LOL

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:22:51 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, do you find any fluctuations between type of carbs or what you eat with them?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:23:18 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Here's a query from my husband: not on meds yet except for his BP, fasting BGs have crept into the early- mid 9s (165?) - is this time to act ?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:23:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Nancy, am I undertanding that your after meal readings can go too high on only 4 carbs -- or does that happen when you eat more?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:24:31 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Kathryn, YES!!!! He would be a great candidate for Glucophage (Metformin)

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:24:39 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Tonight I had a small subway sandwich, a few low fat chips. At the most 3 1/2 carbs. Bread tends to send it up more.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:25:07 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
KAthryn, definitely - over 7 is the diagnostic criteria for diabetes here in the US now -- that's anything over 126 fasting.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:25:47 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
I am still learning what sends it up and try to test after eating something I haven't had before

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:27:01 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Kathryn, After 2 years of diabetes it's not surprising and is expected that his insulin production would slowly go down. Metformin will help him need to make less insulin and will also benefit his blood pressure and weight.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:27:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Nancy, you might be able to help by having a little ore fat to slow down the absorption of the carbs, but the fact that you can't control your after meal BG's when eating such a omodest amount of carb suggests that you need some additional med -- maybe something to work overall on your insulin resistance or something (like Starlix mentioned earlir) that would help boost insulin just at mealtime

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:28:31 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Having to eat so ittle to control blood sugars won't make it possible to establish long term control

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:28:41 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
His GP doesn't seem to worry- says tht because his HBa1c is 6.1, that's all tht matters. What line of discussion should we use to turn this around- he has an appointment next week for his annual review.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:29:48 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Is Starlix something my interist would have heard about already or is it brandnew I see him May 1

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:30:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Kathryn, I hate to disagree with hs doc, but I DO!!! Aftrmeal blood sugars are lelevated for years before the A1c goes up - that's exactly WHY the A1c is not used for diagnosis - it's an average, not precise enough

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:30:35 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Kathryn, if it was my husband, I would insist on agressive treatment to keep the A1c there.. not wait until it goes up then do something. That's called "Failure driven care". Metformin has been the #1 first line treatment for type 2 diabetes for over 45 years in the world and he could definately benefit.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:30:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
And high aftermeal blood sugars are a big part of the heart disease risk in people with type 2 diabetes and the insulin resistance syndrome

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:31:23 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, it is new but you can get on the site and get info to take to him. Aventis makes Starlix.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:31:45 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Excellent point, Betty, my business partner...
You go girl!

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:32:19 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Nancy, Starlix is pretty new but I would guess ost internists have heard about it by now. They might not hav used it yet, but they probably would have heard about it. We're a diabetes center, and have JUST started our first patients on it.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:32:32 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
That's a good point. When he gets his HBa1c done, he also gets a random sugar. This is 30 mins after his breakfast of 4 slices of wholegrain toast, some lite margarine and sliced fresh tomatoes. This BG has been 11.8 on one occasion and 13.7 on another.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:33:12 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
LOL- thanks, Kris. You know I learned eerything I know from You!!

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:33:15 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Is it like the Prandin you have mentioned on your other chats. I mean does it work like that?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:33:55 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Nancy, the AVentis company is focusing on bringing the new info to endocrinologists first so your internest may or may not have been detailed yet. Yes, it is much like Prandin but you do not need to adjust the dose for carbs eaten.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:33:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Kathryn, a really rude word almost escaped my fingers!!! With those numbrs, his doctor hasn't actualy diagnosed diabetes yet??

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:34:32 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Yes, he's known he has had it for 2 years.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:34:39 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
Hello. New to this. Just diagnosed today with Type 2.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:35:22 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Wow Norm !!!

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:36:00 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Welcome Norm. Were you surprised or did you think you might have type 2 diabetes?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:36:19 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
You've come to the right place- the chats, the DTeam etc - all have been wonderful for me and I hope that you find it to be so also.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:36:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Oh, KAthryn, thanks for clarifying - And welcome Norm - you've come to the right place - how's it going? and do you have any questions for the group tonight?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:36:48 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
I went for phsyical for a job and was told by the Doc. Yes, it is a surprise.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:37:48 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
How have you been feeling Norm? Any signs of this coming on looking back?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:38:20 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
I am 43, just finished 15 yrs Active Army and never thought this would ever happen. How did it happen? Was it something I did or the Army did wrong?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:39:10 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
To Kathy - until I got told today of the signs, never knew anything about it.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:39:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Norm, this is a disease, not a character flaw. It's set up by genetics.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:39:47 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
NOrm, it is nothing you did. Not the Army either.
Any diabetes in your family?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:39:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Did mom, dad or anyone else in your family have it too?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:40:32 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Kris, even from 3000 miles apart, we sound like twins?? LOL

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:41:07 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
I found out this evening that my dad has diabetes as well but the type you take shots for - just got it several months ago

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:41:18 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Betty, it's the truth, huh?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:41:36 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
but to my knowledge, no one else in my family has it.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:42:54 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Norm, the types of diabetes aren't seprated by the treatment -- it's most likely that both you and your father have type 2 -- many people with type 2 need to take insulin

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:43:21 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Betty - is that T2 book of yours finished yet ???

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:43:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Did the doctor make any suggestions about treatment or has he referred you back to your family doctor for that?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:43:45 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Norm, so often people were not diagnosed early prior to 1997 when the blood sugar lowered to 126 for diagnosis. Your Dad could have had diabetes for many years before diagnosis. That is what happens to many people. You found out early and that's the surprise. You weren't feeling sick. The good news is finding it early. Now what do you plan to do about it? Finding a diabetes educator who can help you begin testing your blood sugar at home and learning how to eat the foods you love would be the first place to start.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:44:17 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
from what the Doc said today, mt blood sugar was to a point that at this time, taking glyburide wil do the job

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:44:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
No, KAthryn, not yet -- but we should have something that will have a lot off good info for type 2 by the end of the summer.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:45:21 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Norm, did he also recommend blood testing?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:45:42 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Norm- can I reccommend a book to you ? Have it myseld, read it and re-refer to it often. Its called "Take control of your diabetes" by Steven V. Edelman. Get it from amazon or from the tcoyd.com web site. You won't regret the $- so much good info and positive info.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:46:01 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
Will have to go to a VA hospital for further checks. Now that I know, looking back over several months - blurred vision (that one was a biggie), urination all night long (sorry!) and dry mouth, etc. now I know why.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:46:23 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Norm, I would suggest that you look into different types of treatments than the old standby glyburide. There are many more options now than before. Metformin, Actos, Avandia, Prandin, Starlix... all newer meds with better outcomes than the old tried and true glyburide

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:46:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Thanks, KAthryn, great suggestion.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:46:37 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Also the ADA web site: can read many of their magazine articles on-line

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:47:27 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
the Doc did recommend further tests but again, allI get to work with is the VA - I live near Stockton, CA and the VA is over in the BAy Area about an hour.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:47:43 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Another great suggestion, Kathryn

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:48:05 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
this book "take control..." - is that at any bookstore or PX book section?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:48:46 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Norm, I think your best defense is a strong offense. Read up on the latest treatments for type 2 diabetes and the newest medicines available so you can be part of the solution rather than relying on the physician that you don't even know.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:49:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Well, as I understand it, VA may not cover blood testing meter and strips unless you're either taking insulin or just about on deth's door -- I'd strongly recommend you get info about testig and purchase supplies yourself if need be -- it's the best tool to really figure out what works for you -- otherwise you're really shootig in the drak

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:49:55 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
The ADA website will list "standards of care", tests that you should have done at diagnosis and in the time to come.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:49:59 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
this Type 2 - will it eventually turn into syrringe dependant?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:50:16 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Make that "shooting in the dark!" LOL - sorry for the spastic fingers

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:50:48 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
I'm in New Zealand Norm, so I don't know. But I bought mine over the internet using my credit card. Came in a few days. Go to amazon.com or tcoyd.com. Or ring your px or bookstore first the ISBN is 1- 884735-58-4 that's the number they use to tr4ack books down.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:50:48 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
thats OK, I type with all 10 thumbs

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:51:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Norm, it's not possible to say with certainty - Type 2 changes over time and most people lose the ability to make insulin gradually -- when the level drops too low and you can "squirt it out" anymore, the only answer is to "squirt it in" --

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:51:54 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
NORM i see that Dr Edelman (also a diabetic) is at the Veteran's Affairs Medical Centre in San Diego. Is that near you ??

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:52:34 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
thank you kathryn - will look into it. right now - I am so brand new and somewhat concered with this. I mean, it was somewhat a shock to hear this today.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:53:32 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
kathryn - I am 10 hours north of San Deigo - directly due east of San fransisco.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:54:02 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Norm, type 2 diabetes is a journey, not a destination. Over time your pancreas can slowly poop out... not able to make enough insulin to cover the needs of your body. At that point, people need to add insulin to make up that difference. For some, this happens but others never need insulin. Using the new medicines tools, learning about carbohydrates, checking your blood sugar to get feedback and exercising are the tools of choice at first. Insulin may need to be added but does not take the place of the other things I just mentioned. Just remember, insulin is not the enemy to your health, high blood sugar is.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:54:33 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Yes, we're trying to be helpful, but perhaps we're just adding to your overload. When you read over the transcript of this chat at a later date, you'll probably be in a better space.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:54:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
We'd all be quite surprised if you hadn't found it to be a shock, NOrm. It's not easy to get a diagnosis like that. And since you don't know much about it, there's a lot of uncertainty. Start with Dr. Edelman's book - it will be a great intro. Then come back here any time with questions.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:55:18 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
I keep thinking I will get better and past this diabetes thing

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:56:10 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
Please be aware of where I am at this time - I have lost several friends to diabetes (they used syrringes), another that went blind and later lost a leg. I am to assume that these are worse case sceanarios?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:57:08 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Nancy, that's very natural as well - here I am, living and breathing diabetes as my work for years - and I spent a good year going back and forth "Do I" or Don't I and maybe if I just run alittle farther it will go into hiding again! It's a very understandable reaction.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:57:22 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Wow Norm, that would really increase your worry. This is not the expected journey for people today with diabetes.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:58:04 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Exactly Betty ! Just what I'm did (am still doing on a bad day)

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:58:10 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Yes, Norm, those are definitely worst cse scenarios and all but entirely avoidable with today's tools.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:58:28 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
Thank you Betty for saying that. I thought I was being so immature not facing up to things. I really was doing a good job of talking myself out of this.

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:58:36 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
The Doc said I had to change how I eat, drink and all. Will the ADA site have recipes and chow suggestions?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:58:49 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
well, we're down to the last 2 minutes. Any last questions before we go?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:59:38 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
whens the next time you guys be back?

Wed Apr 25 2001 21:59:38 Eastern US
Boots (female type 1 for 33yrs pump) from 216.238.234.19
Sorry to intrude I am not type 2 but 1 but how do I get to ADA website

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:00:23 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
No more questions, but a big thanks to both of you for caring about this subject. I know not as many T2's chat but they will, just give them a chance to find the site.

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:00:30 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Thanks, Nancy. I'm gld it helped. People tend to talk about the FEELINGS about diabetes last - AFTER food and medicine and exercise and all - it's actually JOB ONE.

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:00:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
www.diabetes.org

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:00:56 Eastern US
Nancy in SC (Type 2) from 63.85.246.198
I guess I should have said "give us" a chance

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:01:02 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Norm, we meet each month at 9PM EST. We welcome you back anytime and wish you well as your begin your diabetes journey.

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:01:03 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Norm - first start with your CDE dietician, but don't forget to investigate the GI (glycaemic index) and the book "The glucose revolution" by Jennie Brand-Miller at a later stage.

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:01:40 Eastern US
Norm from 65.227.71.230
thanks to all for the info tonight

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:01:42 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Thanks Betty and Kris- catch you next month I hope.

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:02:15 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
We do a type 1 chat on the 2nd Wednesday and the Type 2 and the 4th Wednesday --- hope you can come back and join us, NOrm. Let us know how it's going. You can see that the people on here are very knowledgeable and supportive.

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:02:38 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
Good night all. Betty, knock em dead tomorrow and then come back to the office asap!!! :)

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:02:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
Nght, all. And thanks so much for coming to share tonight.

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:03:25 Eastern US
Kris (chat co-host) from 152.163.194.202
good night everyone.. see you next month

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:03:29 Eastern US
BettyB (Support Chat Co-Host) from 64.12.101.184
I'll be there bright and early on Friday -- oh, well - maybe only EARLY!! Night!

Wed Apr 25 2001 22:03:49 Eastern US
Kathryn (T 2 9 mo; husband T 2 2yrs) from 203.98.21.43
Hey. when are you coming to the downunder to knock them dead ?

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