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Type 2 Support from June 27, 2001

Betty Brackenridge and Kris Swenson hosted a Virtual Support Group chat about Type 2 diabetes.

Chat Room Administrator Wed Jun 27 2001 20:15:00 Eastern US
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Wed Jun 27 2001 20:58:37 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
hello?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:00:42 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Hi Daniel - just getting settled in to start the chat - how are you this evening?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:01:17 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
I'm ok but about to leave (but I'm a type 1 so you won't miss me :-))

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:01:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
lolol- all brothers under the skin!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:01:58 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Hi, I'm back again, hope you don't get tire of me every month

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:02:44 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
yes but some of us have holes in our skin :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:03:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Nancy -- very cool - good to see you back! How's it going in SC?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:03:39 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
yep -- very true, Daniel

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:04:45 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Hot and wet

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:05:20 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
We had TS Allison come through our town and left us some serious rain

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:05:29 Eastern US
Mary from 209.86.206.221
In the onset of diabetes, I understand that clinical stage can be erratic and gradual to get to Type 2. When someone has several risk factors (GDM, 9+lb babies, etc.), they should be getting periodically testing. With that in mind, when one goes for testing be it for a fasting or OGTT, could sometimes the test values be high for IGT at one testing, then be in the normal values for a subsequent test because blood glucose levels are occasionally elevated?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:06:49 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
well good night everyone :-) (we have the AC on here in Florida) Good question Mary.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:07:27 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
I was surfing the net the other day and came across diabetestraining.com. Neither you or Kris, judging by your youthful look on you picture could possibly be old enough to have 50 years combined experience.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:07:54 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Mary, it's true that type 2 diabetes is a disorder that develops grdually and, apparently in some people at least, a bit erratically. So blood sugars may be out of range only occasionally for a while and then more frequently as time passes. I personally like a "casual" glucose (meaning after eating) to look for type 2. After meal blood sugars are out of range well before the fasting blood sugars become abnormal.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:08:20 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Good evening.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:09:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Thanks for being here, Daniel. Nancy, flattery will get you everywhere! Thanks... we of course did not put in the pictures of how we look at our worst!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:09:17 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Hey, Susie -- good to see you! How goes the battle?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:09:41 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
Hey Susie (maybe ill stay a while)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:10:14 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Normally my before dinner blood sugars have been running 90-100, for some reason this past week they have been 73-125. Weird. My morning fastings are going down, low 80's and low 90's

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:10:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Great, Daniel - we can use the support from our type 1 brethren!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:10:54 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Hey Daniel. Glad to have you join us 2s. You are always so supportive.
BettyB: it's been particularly difficult this last week....very much an uphill battle.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:11:59 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Gee, Nancy - sounds like diabetes to me -- those really aren't huge variations, and well within what we expect to see, given how many things can effect your blood sugar. Are you unhappy about the numbers or just puzzled?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:12:02 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
thank you Susie :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:12:09 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) (Zachary 13, dx'd 2/89, pump 6 yrs) from 64.12.103.24
Susie, when you're finished here - say hello at parents.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:12:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
What's going on, Susie?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:12:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Hi, Ellen -- good to see you

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:13:57 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Puzzled, I know the numbers are normal and I am glad about that, it's just my fasting numbers have now changed since I was diagnosed. The Starlix has help my 2/hr post meal to range 100-150. So I'm good to go.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:14:23 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Thanks Ellen, I will.
BettyB: we celebrated my son's Bar Mitzvah this past weekend and my eating has been quite erratic/bad. I can't seem to stay away from the junk that I had at the parties. It's almost like an addiction in that I hadn't had it and didn't miss it. I am very much craving it. I need to get "back on that wagon"!!!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:15:22 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Wow - that's a great result from Starlix. It could be that correcting highs after meals has resulted in an overall improvement in insulin resistance -- leading to lower fastings. There's a real "domino effect," both good and bad, in type 2.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:16:04 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
thats not easy Susie . . . I just gave up and got a pump :-) not an option for you though :-(

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:16:20 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Betty, isn't there a way that Susie could incorporate those "treats" in her meal plan so they wouldn't feel forbidden?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:16:33 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Where's Kris tonight?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:17:25 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Susie, that's got to feel rotten. But I much prefer to think of situations like that as normal choices -- maybe if you weren't trying to avoid things completely, you wouldn't respond by eating out of control.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:17:57 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Kris just came blowing in -- class ran late at the Center tonight and as soon as she gets signed on, she'll be with us.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:19:09 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Ellen you hit the nail on the head. As most of you know, we don't go in for "forbidden foods" or "diets" in our program -- largely because they so often backfire in the very way that Susie described.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:19:35 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
I have a history of binging. I thought that I pretty much conquered that. I can't eat a little bit of certain things...it really seems to trigger cravings. I seem to do better avoiding certain things while other things, like diet pudding, low fat ice milk/yogurt don't seem to have the same effect.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:20:07 Eastern US
Mary from 209.86.206.221
Thanks BettyB so much for answering that question that has been stuck in my mind after my 3 hour OGTT came back normal in all values. My first 1 hour OGTT had an elevated values which warranted a second test. I was also doing a 3 week home BG monitoring during this time. Some days the fasting values were in the IGT range, other days they were in the normal range. The postprandial 2 hours were sometimes in the normal range, but on most occasions they ranged between 160 to 205 mg/dl. I was surprised that the 3 hr OGTT came back with all those normal values. I know you said previously you were IGT before getting diabetes. So I was wondering how your journey was the years before.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:20:57 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
sounds like you know yourself well Susie . . and how to overcome those things that you must.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:21:10 Eastern US
justin (moms a diabetic) from 209.153.80.40
would anyone have any ideas of programs for diabetic supplies for free or at discounted prices because my mom just found out that she is a diabetic and we have no insurance

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:21:15 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Hello everyone... sorry I'm late

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:21:43 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Hi, Kris

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:21:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Well, you have to trust your own experience, Susie. But, in general, we seldom find binging in people who aren't trying to avoid things pretty strictly. For many people, it's the old "forbidden fruit" syndrome. Do you have a way to manage smaller protions of your problem foods when you choose to have them, Susie?.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:22:13 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Daniel, I wish it was that easy. Thanks everyone for being here. It helps just to "chat it out". LOL

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:22:36 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Hi Justin, we get calls like that all the time at our center. Some suggestions might be to ask the doctor for samples of medicines and strips. They can get them from the sales reps and that may help keep some of the costs down. We also have a diabetes clinic at St. Vincent De Paul for people with no funds

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:23:48 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
Justin you may tell your mom to call the local health Dept. they sometimes have resources that can help.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:24:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Mary, my journey was much like it seems yours is. There were times when I'd have a few abnormal blood sugars -- and then they would straighten out again. Stress, not exercising, being sick - they were all things that were often happening when I'd see my aftermeal numbers go up. Then eventually, it was doing that all the time -- not just occasionally.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:24:30 Eastern US
justin (moms a diabetic) from 209.153.80.40
how may she get in touch with this clinic

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:24:36 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
BettyB: I usually substitute for another sweet that doesn't seem to cause those triggers/cravings. They were all there, though this weekend. I am not feeling that great since my bg has, understandably, been erratic. This usually helps me to get back on track.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:24:52 Eastern US
Kathryn from 203.98.21.44
Hi folks. Betty, my husband has been on metformin 250mg bd for a week (GP), then the endo said what a waste of time, take 500mg bd. He has had terrible abdo pain and general feelings of unwellness for 3-4 weeks now. What is the settling in time before one starts to think that another med is to be tried ?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:25:21 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Susie - do you do post meal testing?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:25:57 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Mary, I am like you in that my post-prandail seem to be the only thing out of whack when I was first diagnosed.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:26:18 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Justin, you can also contact the Diabetes Angel Network: http://www.mendosa.com/dws-free_angel.htm

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:26:26 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Kathryn, It might be helpful to take the Metformin at supper, after the meal with lots of water for a few days. Sometimes that morning dose is the worst to get used to. The good news is that these awful symptoms usuallyt go away withint 6-8 weeks so it's worth it to stick with it.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:26:41 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
BettyB: not regularly. I ususally think of testing before meals.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:26:52 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Oops Justin this is the direct link:
http://www.geocities.com/dfanish/angel/

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:27:41 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Just about everybody is in the same boat (mostly high after meal numbers) when they're first diagnosed with type 2 IF it's caught fairly early. High fastings take years for most people to develop.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:27:51 Eastern US
Kathryn from 203.98.21.44
Thanks, Kris.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:29:04 Eastern US
Daniel from 172.138.127.189
ok now im tired. night everyone :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:29:08 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Susie, testing after meals might give you a handle on exactly how much carb you can handle at a given time -- also on how specific foods effect the blood sugar. Sometimes you find out fascinating things. There are a lot of sweets that actually have a pretty modest effect on blood sugar -- moistly because they're also so high in fat -- chocolate comes to mind.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:29:20 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Good night Daniel... sleep well

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:29:50 Eastern US
Kathryn from 203.98.21.44
I'm working shifts myself at the moment and this really interferes with my walking. Even with a dog, I don't like to be out after dark. I'm wondering how long after a 6-8 km walk, would the beneficial effects of the exercise persist- decrease the insulin resistance ?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:29:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Night, Daniel. Thanks for dropping by.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:30:07 Eastern US
Mary from 209.86.206.221
I saw from a previous posting from Kris that it would be a good idea to conduct a post meal test even before you hit the diabetes stage. Is it an easy matter to ask your doctor to RX for the strips when they say you don't have diabetes yet? PS I am also in the Phoenix area.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:30:54 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Kathryn, most aerobic exercise has the potential of positively impacting for 48 hours..

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:30:56 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Betty, that is what I have found out with post meal testing. Some things I thought I couldn't eat, I can eat and it not affect me as much as I thought it would.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:31:19 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Mary, come on over to our support group Tuesday night at 7PM and we'll give you a meter and some strips to try

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:31:55 Eastern US
Kathryn from 203.98.21.44
That's interesting because when I walk in the morning, my lunch and evening meal post-prandials are so good as when I walk after midday

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:32:06 Eastern US
Kathryn from 203.98.21.44
not so good

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:32:31 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
BettyB: I've been following a low glycemic index diet since I was sick this fall and the ADA diet just wasn't working. I was checking after meals and there was an appreciable difference. I know, for example, that an occasional snicker fun size doesn't effect my bg. I just need to get back on track. I've worked so hard. My A1c a few weeks ago was 6.1. I have to get back to the gym, couldn't get there the last few weeks....

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:32:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Mary, I couldn't agree more about post meal testing BEFORE you get to full blown diabetes. It's how I kept my finmger on the pulse of my glucose intolerance for years. When they went up, I knew I needed to walk and meditate more and be more aware of what I was eating -- balancing carbs through the day.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:33:54 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Kathryn, the important thing is what you see the impact of exercise... the potential of 48 hours is not the same as something for sure. You know your body best but exercise at any time of day is beneficial no matter what your blood sugars tell you. We all need to move more!! Congrats on doing that regularly!!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:35:00 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Susiem you HAVE worked hard. Try not to let this rough spot get you down. Everyone has ups and downs with diabetes. It's a journey, not a destination. You still deserve a huge pat on the back for all you've done -- one weekend of "wild abandon" doesn't erase that -- and how often does your son Bar Mitvah --I hope you were able to have a great time.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:35:01 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
Evening everyone

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:35:15 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Hello

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:35:21 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
good evening everyone...I'm just watching and learning!! :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:35:32 Eastern US
Kathryn from 203.98.21.44
Thanks for your advice- got to go to work now- we've got a flu epidemic here clogging up the hospitals, so every nurse is required!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:36:02 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Kathryn, so glad you were able to stop by. Hope to see you again soon -- and don't get the flu!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:36:19 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Hey Cam and Connie.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:36:31 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
I Gary, thanks for responding to my email last month. Your poems are GREAT.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:36:36 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Hey, Connie! BC is now represented! How's life in beautiful BC??

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:36:44 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
I meant to say Hi Gary

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:36:45 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Hey Gary.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:37:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
There's Gary, the lurking poet!! good to see you again.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:37:47 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
thank you so much Nancy......I appreciate that very much.....and HELLO to everyone else!! :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:37:54 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Great as usual, just having supper and then to the pool.....BP is finally down, was 116/60 Monday!!! Yea!!! Almost back down to normal!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:38:11 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
Hello Betty.......I'm just watching and learning.....:-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:38:54 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
"wild abandonment".....wow, I never thought of that way! LOL

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:39:07 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
I just plucked a bright yellow pineapple from my garden - yummmmmmm. Had to share.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:39:47 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Well, Susie -- it's about time ya did!! We can't give up wild abandon just because we got diabetes. Yeesh!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:40:02 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Connie, that's a great BP!! Keep it up, I mean down!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:40:12 Eastern US
Mary from 209.86.206.221
What great support you all give here!!! Thanks Nancy for letting me know you've been here. Kris, when you say support group...are you talking here in Phoenix or online? I'm new to this chat thing. I'm not sure where you guys are in Phoenix.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:40:16 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
sounds delicious, Ellen. send some up North.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:40:19 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Connie, so glad to hear about your blood pressure. What do you think turned it around?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:40:56 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
Ellen....you aren't sharing...you are just showing off!! LOL :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:41:43 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Mary, you can go to our web site, www.diabetestraining.com and you will find directions on how to get to our center. The meeting is at our diabetes center in Tempe, just 3 miles south of the airport.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:41:44 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
You're right Gary, but I just feel proud of that little fruit. I know fruit raises bg, but summer fruit is every bit as delicious as most junky foods IMHO.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:42:19 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
the word "gloating" comes to mind -- Ellen, are you bringing a bunch of those to orlando next month?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:42:29 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Kris, it' been so long since it's been that way, I wasn't sure what it was like anymore!! My normal "used" to be 100/50 till I was about 35 then it shot up.
Betty, probably the pump and excercise, management is sooo much better

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:42:44 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Mary, I know it's not easy having flucuating numbers. Not knowing for sure what is going on but just keep monitoring and you will figure it out.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:43:11 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Betty/Kris, I have type 2 in the genes in our family - but I don't know the age of onset. What are the beginning symptoms of Type 2?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:43:13 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
Alrighty, I'm kind of new to this chat thing (and diabetes). Seems like a really good thing to have this virtual group.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:43:14 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
I'd be proud too Ellen....and I eat lots of fruit...that's why there's insulin!! LOL :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:43:15 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Ellen you are very right!! Sounds wonderfull!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:43:57 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Ellen: excitement, illness, just about everything raises bg. atleast your pineapple does it sweetly.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:44:19 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
welcome to the family Cam!!!:-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:44:43 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Elle, long before type 2 diabetes appears and right up until it bites your butt, almost NO obvious symptoms -- that's what wathching blood sugars - especially after eating -- is so important for folks with family history or other risk factors

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:44:43 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Cam, just keep coming, when this chat isn't here we're all usually in the parent room

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:44:56 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
Thanks Gary

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:45:07 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Cam, did we chat a few nights ago?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:45:17 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
Sus, I think we did

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:45:21 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
oops -- finger tied -- must be that new bottle of wine Kris opened!! LOL

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:45:34 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
I think you were the one who told me about this

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:45:58 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
How's the new book coming Betty?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:46:05 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Susie -- what wise words!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:46:17 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
I have a lovely can a diet pepsi here Betty, vintage...yesterday!! LOL :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:46:23 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
which book, Connie?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:46:33 Eastern US
Laura (i am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95) from 172.152.192.144
hi

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:46:46 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
good to chat with you again. are you feeling better with your meds?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:46:51 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
Hi Laura

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:46:55 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Sweet Kids/Teens/Adults?? is there another we need?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:47:02 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
"Right up until the time it bites your butt" Good one Betty

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:47:02 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
hello Laura

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:47:14 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
working on the updte of Sweet Kids at the moment -- then the "type 2 Seet Kids" is next in line -- and Kris and I have just about finished our "Diabetes Myths and Misconceptions book

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:47:23 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Hi Laura, welcome to the chat.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:47:37 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
If you're referring to me....not really.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:47:54 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
My endo has 1 on mine(the original order came thru) and my nurse hass the other!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:47:56 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
That last one is the "cliff notes" version of Sweet Kids for Adults" -- just the facts, ma'am!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:48:11 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Thanks Betty - one hour post prandial best time to check? Or sooner?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:48:13 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Hey Laura.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:48:18 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
I'd love to have it!! Where is it available?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:48:28 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Hi Laura

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:49:01 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Cam, yes I was. BettyB and Kris may have some suggestions for you, if you want to discuss it.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:49:04 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Is there a list of your books available on your website?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:49:11 Eastern US
Laura (i am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95) from 172.152.192.144
Hi all, Connie i send my udated numbers to you

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:49:20 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Ellen, if you're testing after eating, the one hour target is less than 180, the 2 hour target is less than 160 and the 3 hour target is less than 140/ Doesn't really matter when, just know the target.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:49:32 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.192
Love to...any suggestions would be great

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:50:02 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
When we get it in print, I'm sure there will be information on CWD/D123 -- and also on our own website www.diabetestraining.com. That's before we go on Oprah, of course, and take it national!! lol

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:50:14 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
I'll check later Laura! OK??

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:50:19 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
But a person without diabetes at 1 hour pp would still be under 120 correct?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:50:35 Eastern US
Kris (Virtual Support co-host) from 64.12.103.52
Good night all, Betty will finish up and I hope to see you next month in the chat.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:50:40 Eastern US
Laura (i am 19 yrs old dx'd in 95) from 172.152.192.144
sure i am gonna go and see if anyone is in Parents

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:50:46 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Betty, you are too funny

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:50:53 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.192
Betty/Kris...do you know of any methods that help deal with the side effects of medication?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:51:10 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Cam, ask your questions.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:51:18 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Connie -- my two books are not on our website. It's not profitable for us to sell and ship -- but they are available on amazon.com

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:51:21 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Night Kris, thanks!

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:51:34 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Good night Kris.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:51:38 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Cam, what medication and what side effects?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:51:39 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
Cam are you type 2?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:51:53 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
I know about Sweet kids, have it, what's the other called?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:51:56 Eastern US
Wendy from 12.78.73.78
Hi Everyone

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:52:28 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
hello Wendy:-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:52:33 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Ellen, that's right about the after meal. People with diabetes can mainline food, sugar, whatever, and blood sugars stay normal.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:52:36 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Hi Wendy.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:52:40 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Hi Wendy

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:52:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Hi, Wendy. Glad you could join us.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:53:03 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Hi Wendy

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:53:15 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
The other book is published by John Wiley and Sons and it's called "Diabetes 101." It focuses on Type 1 diabetes.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:53:43 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.192
My doc seems to think T2, I concur...I'm on glucotrol xl, glucophage, prinivil, trazodone, and now prozac (and albuterol). I have incredible nausea, headaches, and yo-yo bg numbers

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:54:08 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
Betty...when is your book signing?? :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:54:16 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.192
I'm 30, so type has been in question.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:54:58 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Holy smokes, Cam. That's quite a pile of meds. Did you start them all at once? I'm asking because in order to know what may be the problem, it helps to be able to associate the symptoms with starting a particular medicine.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:55:02 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
sorry Cam...I'm type 1...don't know anything about those meds

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:55:03 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Cam, how would you figure out which med is making you nauseous with so many in your system at once?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:55:35 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Should I wait for your new one or buy this one??LOL . When was it published?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:55:54 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
The nausea is a common side effect of Glucophage -- especially if the dose was advanced quickly. How much are you taking?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:56:48 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Connie, Diabetes 101 is about in its third edition and the latest edition is about htree years old. A lot more specific info than the new book, and compeletly focused on type 1.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:57:15 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
Ok, let me respond to this...

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:58:34 Eastern US
Mary from 209.86.206.221
Thanks BettyB/Kris...I was checking your website. I will have to try hard to get to that side of town then. Thanks for all your help.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:58:37 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Ca, the yo-yo blood sugars are not that unusual, especially until you get some good hands on skills to help you understand how what you eat interacts with the medicines and whatever insulin your body is still making. Have you had any diabetes education yet?

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:59:24 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Thanks for coming by, Mary. Hope to see you at Support Group next week. They're a GREAT bunch of folks who come.

Wed Jun 27 2001 21:59:41 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.192
I started on the glucotrol when I was dx'd, a week later started glucophage at 500 once a day, increased a week later to three times a day, Prinivil was added at the same time, and trazodone and prozac in the last week. The side effects started immediately upon taking glucotrol and increased with the glucophage.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:00:19 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.192
No diabetes ed yet, but I was a paramedic and had some knowledge of the disease prior.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:00:41 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.192
Being on this end of the spectrum has been a little difficult to say the least.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:01:51 Eastern US
Wendy from 12.78.73.78
Cam mention to the docs...the side effects you are having...-

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:01:53 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
Cam....it would be easier to be Type-1...ask your endo if he/she can change your diagnosis to
T-1? :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:02:34 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Thanks, Cam. The most likely culprit still seems to be the Glucophage as far as the nausea is concerned. It's a great medicine but the side effects can be pretty uncomfortable. For most people they are self-limiting and clear up no later than six weeks after starting the medicine. If they're severe enough to be really bothersome, talk to your doctor. It might be worth dropping the Glucophage temnporarily to see if the symtpoms improve. If they do, the Glucophage could be resterted (ALWAYS take it with food) and the dose moved up more slowly.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:02:40 Eastern US
CrazyCajun (www.rajincajun.cjb.net ----go there if you wish) from 207.172.11.147
Howdy all...
Hm, am I a bit late?

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:03:20 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Gary, if we could figure out how to change back and forth.....that would surely mean a cure!!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:03:27 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
welcome Michelle...you're always on time!! :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:03:32 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Also, they have Glucophage xr that you take just once a day

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:03:49 Eastern US
Wendy from 12.78.73.78
Hi Crazy Cajun...

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:03:51 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Well there's CC -- welcome -- never too late -- even though this room is about to close down, I'm sure there's some nice folks out there who will take you into to another room soon!

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:03:59 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
I have spoken with my doc, and she says give it time. But really, how long does one have to suffer before things change? What I'm wondering is if I shouldn't just drop the pills and go to insulin..I mean, don't you gain better control?

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:04:03 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
you work on that for us Susie....ok?

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:04:41 Eastern US
CrazyCajun (www.rajincajun.cjb.net ----go there if you wish) from 207.172.11.147
A cure...
That is something that I think will most likely never happen in my lifetime. BUT then again, I dont really know, science is getting more and more advanced every day.. ;o)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:04:48 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
hi Crazy

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:04:59 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
I just don't see any difference between being on the meds and before in reference to bg#

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:05:18 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
I'd love to, Gary.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:06:02 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Cam, type 2 is a very different disease than type 1 -- more things go wrong because of the insulin resistance. You can certainly control blood sugars with insulin, used correctly -- but ideally, your treatmenbt for type 2 should also address insulin resistance -- which is what the Glucophage is doing for you. There are other meds as well. Sorry you're having such a rough beginning!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:06:03 Eastern US
CrazyCajun (www.rajincajun.cjb.net ----go there if you wish) from 207.172.11.147
Cam..give it time and you will, or else you need to talk to your endo about adjusting the meds a tad or something
Heya, Connie

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:06:06 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
ok Susie...when you find one, don't forget to e-mail me!! :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:06:20 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Cam are you seeing an endo?

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:06:48 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Cam, have they run a c-peptide test on you? Betty what other tests are run to determine type 1 vs type 2?

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:07:14 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
time to go back to lurking now...it's Betty's room!! LOL :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:07:16 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Cam, your dr needs to figure out which meds are best for you. It took several months for me and then after a really bad illness/infection last fall, everything fell apart again. I've doubled my prandin and changed my diet greatly since then.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:07:28 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
The issue of your blood sugars not being considerably better is a real problem. Being on two meds, you should have seen some improvemnt quite soon. Maybe a current class on carbohydrate management and how to interpret and act on blood sugars would be helpful.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:07:31 Eastern US
Nancy (SC) (Type 2) from 208.236.113.145
Good night everyone, it's getting late out here on the east coast. See you next month.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:07:58 Eastern US
CrazyCajun (www.rajincajun.cjb.net ----go there if you wish) from 207.172.11.147
Night, Nancy

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:08:01 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
As I understand, insulin is cheaper than orals...and my doc did mention pump therapy. No endo yet. My insurance doesn't kick in for this for a year, so I'm trying to keep costs down...I see an internist at the school health center (I'm a grad student). No c-peptide that I know of

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:08:06 Eastern US
Mike (type 1 using pump) from 216.126.160.29
Hi! :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:08:06 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
sweet dreams Nancy!!:-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:08:40 Eastern US
Mary from 209.86.206.221
Goodnite Nancy!

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:08:48 Eastern US
CrazyCajun (www.rajincajun.cjb.net ----go there if you wish) from 207.172.11.147
Howdy, Mike :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:08:48 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Gary, I know that we share the same prayer.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:09:15 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Hi Mike, night Nancy

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:09:41 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
:-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:09:49 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Hi Mike and Crazy.
Good night Nancy.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:09:50 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
For most people it's not that tough to tell -- if a person has had ketoacidosis it's almost certainly Type1 -- and if they're heavy it's almost certainly type 2 (the weight is partially a side effect of insulin resistance). A C-peptide can show type 2 if it's VERY high -- but it's less reliable in distinguishing between type 1 and type 2 if it's in the normal or low normal range. The insulin antibody tests are definitive for type 1.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:10:14 Eastern US
Mike (type 1 using pump) from 216.126.160.29
whats the room about tonight is it over? I just got in from some power shopping

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:10:46 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Cam, how high has your bg been? what is you A1c?

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:11:11 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Thanks for clarifying Betty.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:11:26 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Type 2 support Mike!

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:12:11 Eastern US
BettyB (Virtual Support Co-host) from 205.188.200.139
Ca, I'd suggest you get a clear sense of whether you're dealing with type 1 or type 2 -- with no impact from the oral meds so far, it's necessary to keep type 1 in your mind as a possibility. Come on back here when questions come up! Well,we are seriously out of time in this room, folks. Thanks for stopping by and sharing!! Hope to see some of you in orlando at the Diabetes123/CWD meeting in July! Night!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:12:42 Eastern US
Mike (type 1 using pump) from 216.126.160.29
ok

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:12:50 Eastern US
Cam (dx'd last month) from 24.4.253.193
does insulin resistance mean insulin therapy does not work? My numbers jump all day long 180 avg in the am down to 60 then up to almost 300 by afternoon, and by bedtime somewhere in the 200's, with elevations in the middle of the night. My A1c was 7.4 which is good but not low enough

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:13:02 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Ellen, you were asking Betty ealier re testing because of your heredity, have you noticed an increase in your bgs?

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:13:12 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Good night BettyB. Thank you!

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:13:18 Eastern US
gary (...(visit the 'Diabetes Poetry Room' at) geocities.com/gmhco) from 63.17.219.174
good night Betty.....as always, thanks!! :-)

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:13:45 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Mike, you are welcome to give us your support.

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:13:56 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
Night Betty, Enjoy Orlando!!

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:14:16 Eastern US
Susie (T-2) from 207.29.207.178
Ellen, are you of Eastern European decent?

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:14:26 Eastern US
Connie(BC) (Type 1) from 207.194.16.77
And thanks again Betty

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:16:07 Eastern US
Wendy from 12.78.73.78
sorry i disappeared had to get a drink

Wed Jun 27 2001 22:20:28 Eastern US
Ellen (FL) from 64.12.103.24
Yes Susie.

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